[SkeniaInhilla]

Hi guys, how do you know when astral sight is finally working? What are y'alls experiences with this?

I've been trying every OBE technique, and still.... darkness. I'm well-versed and comfortable with energy work, still mind and trance techniques... yet... I remain still embedded in my physical body, straining to see thru my physical eyelids - no matter how much I try to imagine my astral self bounding thru wondrous space.

I must admit, I enter into this with a great deal of scepticism (as well as hope, it's true!) because I'm an artist with an abundance of imagination. And, frankly, I'd rather not be spending this amount of time and energy on an imaginative voyage, if that's all it is. I can imagine plenty... I just want experience with "Other", with reality.

Can any of you guys give me any hope/guidance?

Thanks!

Gayle
USA

Edit to say: I have actually seen a spirit thru my closed eyes (I guess clairvoyantly) (it used to run thru my apartment nightly) but that was something I really tried to avoid, I hated it. But now that I want some extra-dimensional sight, my clairvoyance is playing coy? Just having trouble with this concept. Any elucidation welcome, thanks guys!

[CedssypeEdids]

Have you asked for it? Wished for it - even out aloud? Have you formulated it positively and precisely? You can try that.

Sometimes it is a matter of relaxation - I get glimpses when I relax and don't focus on accomplishing it very much, but have a hard time inducing it, because I induce strain when trying to make it happen. It is easy to block out the experience I guess if trying to do something actually very subtle.

Bruce Moen suggests imagination "primes the pump". Go with your imagination, and then it might just happen that things you pop up you didn't imagine and the experience takes on its own life. According to his findings imagination is part of the senses we use to experience non-physical experiences. He says it at least taps into the same, and by pretending at first you can go to obtaining the experience. First you imagine it, then it unfolds. I don't know why that works, but maybe imagination taps into the same kind of sense within us than having the experience does. It may just work for you.

Last but not least fear and aversion can block out experiences. Are you still afraid or somehow predisposed against the experience? Like with the spirit?

Take good care,
Oliver

[Jorcelirl]

astral sight is very real, ive seen my bedroom thorough closed eyelids and when on the brink of projection. It definately wasn't my imagination. Keep up the projection work and as Korpo says, try asking for it.

[abossakon]

It seems like I have read so many posts from people for whom the usual techniques just do not seem to work at all. This has really started me thinking lately that maybe we are all just SO different from each other, that we each have to find our own techniques? For example, the WILD technique only works for me one of out of a hundred times (and that might even be an optimistic figure). So I've been forging in new directions, trying to see if other things will work better.

[CedssypeEdids]

Well, al.luciddreamer, to me it all boils down to your character and energetic configuration. If certain structures are blocked, I guess then it will not happen. If your personality causes those blocks to reoccur over and over, for example, you have to deal with the underlying problem.

I think most of the techniques work just fine for their purpose in the average person. If your energy is different in any way, an imbalance strong enough here, a complex of blockages there, the formulas suddenly don't work so well. Especially I learned to never underestimate the human mind's capacity for denial, blocking itself and self-sabotage.

That's why people who underwent an intensive process of self-development in sense of facing their inner world and doing something about their recurring problems seem to do with ease what others cannot do who faithfully do their goal-oriented exercise regime, be it for psychic powers, OBE or whatever else.

Just my take on it.

Take good care,
Oliver

[SkeniaInhilla]

Thanks for your input, guys.

Oliver, yes, perhaps I need to step back and "get my house in order" more. Lately, I've been letting the desire for psychic development eclipse my spiritual path. I need to listen more, strive less.

[abossakon]

it all boils down to your character and energetic configuration. If certain structures are blocked, I guess then it will not happen. If your personality causes those blocks to reoccur over and over, for example, you have to deal with the underlying problem.

I understand what you're saying here, and I really believed for many years that the explanation for me indeed did exist in blockages and imbalances -- but lately I'm leaning more towards the idea that some of us just have different internal structures. I've just read so many accounts lately from perfectly normal people who have tried some of the techniques over and over, like hitting their head against a brick wall, and not getting results. However, I won't go so far as to say that the techniques that aren't working aren't completely null and void for some of us -- what I think I'm trying to say is that a MODIFICATION of the techniques is what is needed for some of us. Not sure if I explained this very well ....

[SkeniaInhilla]

Lately I'm leaning more towards the idea that some of us just have different internal structures. I've just read so many accounts lately from perfectly normal people who have tried some of the techniques over and over, like hitting their head against a brick wall, and not getting results. al.luciddreamer, did you have troubles gaining astral sight? I think I've been spoiled, because up to now everything (lucid dreaming, playing with energy, etc) has been pretty much just what I've been doing since childhood - but I've really hit my head against the astral ceiling. I'm willing to accept that it's something wrong with me, or with what I'm doing, or maybe I just want it so much that I'm trying too hard...it would just help to know that others have had problems with this, and yes, astral sight does really exist and it's something I can keep aiming for...

[abossakon]

did you have troubles gaining astral sight?

Yes, and after about ten years of wishing for it, I had decided that it would never happen to me. But about a year ago it just started spontaneously happening to me. I think the first time I realized it was when I was looking at my bedroom wall -- and seeing details -- one night and suddenly realized I still had my eyes closed. So maybe the key is to just put something on the back burner for a while, and it will just come to you in due time? I don't know if that works for everything, but it did seem to work for this....

[Shootohoist]

Hi guys, how do you know when astral sight is finally working? What are y'alls experiences with this?

I've been trying every OBE technique, and still.... darkness. I'm well-versed and comfortable with energy work, still mind and trance techniques... yet... I remain still embedded in my physical body, straining to see thru my physical eyelids - no matter how much I try to imagine my astral self bounding thru wondrous space.

I must admit, I enter into this with a great deal of scepticism (as well as hope, it's true!) because I'm an artist with an abundance of imagination. And, frankly, I'd rather not be spending this amount of time and energy on an imaginative voyage, if that's all it is. I can imagine plenty... I just want experience with "Other", with reality.

Can any of you guys give me any hope/guidance?

Thanks!

Gayle
USA

Edit to say: I have actually seen a spirit thru my closed eyes (I guess clairvoyantly) (it used to run thru my apartment nightly) but that was something I really tried to avoid, I hated it. But now that I want some extra-dimensional sight, my clairvoyance is playing coy? Just having trouble with this concept. Any elucidation welcome, thanks guys!

Here is one method
open in protection
deep cleanse
raise energy with bare feet on the floor
fill the head with fire energy when you power up to turn on the light of the moonstone at the pineal gland
( visualise will and intend bright hot dry golden fire electric male energy )
look through the closed eyelids or through the middle of the forehead as you begin to drowse to sleep
when in projection open the astral eyes
Bruce suggests saying astral sight now

[SkeniaInhilla]

Thanks for your reply, Aunt Clair.

I've been working on this since my original post. I think one of my biggie problems is that I'm a very visually-oriented person, and I think that's working to my detriment with the OBE thing. I've been trying to gain astral sight by visualizing thru my closed eyes; I realized yesterday that that's all wrong. It's an entirely different part of the brain that needs to be engaged.

I'm trying now to turn off all visual references while meditating, instead focusing on hearing, breathing, etc. I'm determined to do this thing, no matter how long it takes me

Any comments or suggestions would be most welcome. I value everyone's input.

[emorbimefed]

Thanks for your reply, Aunt Clair.

I've been working on this since my original post. I think one of my biggie problems is that I'm a very visually-oriented person, and I think that's working to my detriment with the OBE thing. I've been trying to gain astral sight by visualizing thru my closed eyes; I realized yesterday that that's all wrong. It's an entirely different part of the brain that needs to be engaged.

I'm trying now to turn off all visual references while meditating, instead focusing on hearing, breathing, etc. I'm determined to do this thing, no matter how long it takes me

Any comments or suggestions would be most welcome. I value everyone's input.

Just one comment: If you're a visual person, then you should use your proclivities for what you want to attain, instead of 'fighting yourself'. Even though clairvoyance is really not about visualization, you can use it as a meditational tool. Here is an idea:
Before being in heavy trance, see the blobs in front of your eyes. See the colors as they shift and meld together. Isolate a color, say starting with red (base chakra.) Now, instead of visualizing, make the blob in your eyes become red. (you can do it, I do it when I meditate on chakras if my mind is extra-chattery). Then once you have a color, go to the next: orange, then yellow, then green, then blue, then purple, then white. When you get to white, then imagine 'nothingness'. Try to make everything dissappear and cultivate nothingness. This will make you use what you're naturally good at, without getting in the way of what you're trying to achieve, which is 'clearing'. So you'll see 'nothingness', and see where that takes you.
I hope this helps.

[SkeniaInhilla]

Hi CFTraveler, I really liked doing this exercise. But no getting closer to astral projection.

I think I must have a lot of ego or control issues about my sight/vision. I can feel the rest of my energy body get all loosey-goosey and ready to go, and I've got a great opening out the top of my head, but... I always get stuck at the eyes; I immediately tense up and jerk back into my physical body. I think this is just going to take a lot of energy work/meditation, to figure out and solve what's going on.

If you or anyone has any thoughts about or experience with this, please let me know. I'm literally flying blind here... except I'm not even flying (yet)



Gayle

[emorbimefed]

Hey Gayle. About the only advice I can give you is to work out a schedule to project, but without the intention of projecting for a few days. Make yourself hover on the brink for a bit, and then back off, and do it again and again- and keep doing that energy work at another time. At some point you're going to become so 'supercharged' that your energy body is going to overcome the other stuff and you'll launch anyway.
Sounds familiar as applied to something else, doesn't it?

[Shootohoist]

Thanks for your reply, Aunt Clair.

I've been working on this since my original post. I think one of my biggie problems is that I'm a very visually-oriented person, and I think that's working to my detriment with the OBE thing. I've been trying to gain astral sight by visualizing thru my closed eyes; I realized yesterday that that's all wrong. It's an entirely different part of the brain that needs to be engaged.

I'm trying now to turn off all visual references while meditating, instead focusing on hearing, breathing, etc. I'm determined to do this thing, no matter how long it takes me

Any comments or suggestions would be most welcome. I value everyone's input.

No you are not all wrong . Clairvoyance through the eyelids or even open eyed is becoming more common but these are more advanced imo , clairvoyance begins with the third eye and then expands to the entire brow centre which widens to include the physical eyes and ears .