[RotsLoado]

Hi all,

The other day I had a couple of spare hours and decided to mediatate for a while. I lay on the bed and finally managed for the first time, the body asleep, head awake state...YAY!! After a while I noticed that my head space started to feel different (this is very hard to put into words) and I could sort of hear voices and sounds that were in my head and not outside although I couldn't make out any actual words. I also saw a sort of computerised image of a human body walk backwards across my minds eye. Usually when hynogogics like this happen they wake me up with a jolt but because this time I was fully aware rather than half asleep I could rationalise things and go with it.

Then I noticed I felt a little light headed and my body felt like it was starting to buzz. Again I tried to go with it but it just faded away and I then noticed I needed the loo so had to get up. I tried again afterwards and managed to repeat it up until the slight light headiness but no buzzing. My questions is, was this exit sensations? I have once phased out briefly but never experienced actual concious exit so I am not sure if that was what I almost achieved?

Lou

[CedssypeEdids]

After a while I noticed that my head space started to feel different (this is very hard to put into words)

Maybe like you had more space "in your head" or the blackness behind your eyes expanding?

I also saw a sort of computerised image of a human body walk backwards across my minds eye.

Like "pixelated"?

Then I noticed I felt a little light headed and my body felt like it was starting to buzz. Again I tried to go with it but it just faded away and I then noticed I needed the loo so had to get up. I tried again afterwards and managed to repeat it up until the slight light headiness but no buzzing. My questions is, was this exit sensations? I have once phased out briefly but never experienced actual concious exit so I am not sure if that was what I almost achieved?

I think you did. This sounds like your energy body loosened and you were in the pre-projection state. Congrats!

Take good care,
Oliver

[RotsLoado]

Maybe like you had more space "in your head" or the blackness behind your eyes expanding?

Yeah...like it expanded. I didn't feel it expand it just suddenly felt more spacious.

The computerised figure, which I guess was just a hynogogic, was like CGI in films but not the finished product just the moving, digital figure with no human detail, it was like a lit up graphic.

I'm very excited now as I thought I'd never experience anything. I just hope I can do it again

Lou

[bettingonosports]

Sounds like you had a brief 'void' experience. Aka 3D black. There's a topic about that around here.

[CedssypeEdids]

Yeah...like it expanded. I didn't feel it expand it just suddenly felt more spacious.

I often experience this change when entering a deeper trance. I notice it only in hindsight - the extra space is "suddenly" there and sometimes I feel like being more in that space I just expanded into than in the room I sit or lie down in.

I'm very excited now as I thought I'd never experience anything. I just hope I can do it again

If you keep your calm in meditation and just relax deeply, I'm pretty sure you will experience it over and over again.

In my experience I get to this state when I just relax instead of trying to induce it.

Take good care,
Oliver

[Seeseeskeva]

that's the thing i remember most about my OBE experiences as a child.i remember waking up in that state,and trying to get back to that feeling many times,thinking it was something to do with the position of my head.

[CedssypeEdids]

that's the thing i remember most about my OBE experiences as a child.i remember waking up in that state,and trying to get back to that feeling many times,thinking it was something to do with the position of my head.

I doubt the position of the head plays a role. (Okay, I have no good reason, but I still do. )

Maybe it had to do with the fact that you had an easier time to let go as a child than now. I think relaxed attention comes easier to a child than it does to an adult. Playfulness might play a role.

Or you are right and had a slight sleep problem that kept awaking you?

However, it is "just" a state between wake and sleep, something you can find again through relaxing. Awaking into it is a trick, because the relaxation in sleep comes naturally. But I think you should be able to induce this rather easily just by relaxing body *and* mind.

Focus 10/12 help with this, but funnily enough the state is easier to find without the Monroe tapes after learning it. The instructions make me kind of tense. Or the expectation that something has to happen "now" or that another instruction might break my concentration. I find it easiest just to sit down, relax and try to go Focus 10 and 12 by the counting method.

Take good care,
Oliver

[RotsLoado]

As it was only the first time I have achieved this state I'm no expert, I wasn't even trying to exit, just relax and meditate which I usually find really hard to do as I tend to hold a lot of tension in my body and never fully relax but for some reason this time I managed it. I will give it another try when I get a spare couple of hours of peace and quiet and I'm hoping now I have experienced it I will be able to recapture it.

I have tried the various guided meditaions and hemi-sync stuff and find that they either send me to sleep or make me jump when the voice on the recording starts to talk. It's hard to find one that goes at your pace, I usually feel a bit rushed by them so I also can't relax. But I have found them useful in learning various techniques to try on my own.

Lou

[CedssypeEdids]

The ones that send you to sleep can be quite useful when you use Robert's trick with holding the lower arm up. The upper arm is resting on the bed, and the lower arm is vertical. This is easy to hold, but as soon you drift to sleep your muscles relax and your arm drops.

Training this should help reaching and holding deeper states of trance without falling asleep as you can confidently inch closer to sleep without just passing out and taking a nap.

Take good care,
Oliver

[Seeseeskeva]

Originally Posted by Neil Templar that's the thing i remember most about my OBE experiences as a child.i remember waking up in that state,and trying to get back to that feeling many times,thinking it was something to do with the position of my head.

I doubt the position of the head plays a role. (Okay, I have no good reason, but I still do. )

Maybe it had to do with the fact that you had an easier time to let go as a child than now. I think relaxed attention comes easier to a child than it does to an adult. Playfulness might play a role.

Or you are right and had a slight sleep problem that kept awaking you?

However, it is "just" a state between wake and sleep, something you can find again through relaxing. Awaking into it is a trick, because the relaxation in sleep comes naturally. But I think you should be able to induce this rather easily just by relaxing body *and* mind.

Focus 10/12 help with this, but funnily enough the state is easier to find without the Monroe tapes after learning it. The instructions make me kind of tense. Or the expectation that something has to happen "now" or that another instruction might break my concentration. I find it easiest just to sit down, relax and try to go Focus 10 and 12 by the counting method.

Take good care,
Oliver hey Oliver,
yeah, i now know that the position of my head has nothing to do with it.just as a child,having this experience,it's what i came up with-that if i fell asleep with my head in the position i'd woken up in,then i'd be able to get back to it.i remember lying there,feeling that my consciousness was encompasing the whole universe,or sometimes the complete opposite-that i was the tiniest speck of nothing,within a hugely vast void of nothing..something like that..

i haven't read any off monroe's books yet,or heard his tapes.
i've been looking for them recently,but they're only available in dutch in the local bookstore i usually go to.i've tried ordering a few books from them(energy works amongst others),but nothing happens quickly here.
i have no credit card to get stuff online,so i wait..

[bettingonosports]

You know you can get prepaid credit cards now so you can shop online and not have any fear of having your identity stolen or anything like that- for people that don't have credit, etc. They make it easy to spend your hard-earned money.

[CedssypeEdids]

Hey, Neil.

I think you don't necessarily need the tapes. A routine of relaxation and abdominal breathing might work for you, too. If not, the tapes can be a great help.

I would now never again get a translated version. Monroe's material is full of his personal style and a bit hard to translate. I don't think you need his books at all to work with the tapes.

Take good care,
Oliver

[Seeseeskeva]

thanks for the tips folks.