[LarpBulaBus]

I think we're missing the point....it isn't that women don't have valuable life force, obviously they do, and it's used to create life...women don't ejaculate their eggs when they masturbate, but men ejaculate sperm when they do masturbate, the point is with men & masturbation, that energy is wasted through ejaculation and not conserved or used for procreation, OBE, etc....

Mantak Chia points out that women are overwhelmingly superior even without training.

Many seductions community/Gurus also believe this.

[DuePew]

Ok, ok. *lets it go*

[CedssypeEdids]

*yawn*

I wonder why we read so much about sexual "development techniques" and that they lead to all kinds of wonderful things, but fail to see accounts of masters who did this successfully and became wise, enlightened, mature human beings? IMO the whole discussion is beside the point.

I found all theories of people who think you can reach enlightenment by somehow super-charging the body with sexual energy to be somehow hard to believe and illogical. There surely are more useful activities that lead to personal development than worrying about losing energy through masturbation - that's at least my guess.

IMO that is a way too simple understanding of energy. It's not simply how much, but which kind. How pure. Whether it is flowing freely. The balance of the more subtle and the more gross energies. Having an abundance of physical energy may be useful to martial artists, but for everybody else IMO it is more decisive in what shape you keep yourself energetically - whether you learn to release negativity, be open to the subtle, learn the workings of your mind. In my experience that has next to nothing to do how you relate to "helping yourself".

Take good care,
Oliver

[Nikkkola]

It isn't about building up lots of energy in the body. The problem is that when energy is being consistently sent outward, the attention follows. This interferes with this process of drawing awareness within and up to the astral and higher planes. Sex is very physical.

[CedssypeEdids]

Sex is also a fact of life. A certain interest in it is inborn and it varies from people. Some people are even almost celibate to begin with, some could never truly live without sex.

While I can see how excessive masturbation or focus on sex can unbalance a personality, I personally see not much merit in ideas of celibacy for promoting experiences. I think cultivation and a life with sex are possible at the same time, if a person devotes time to development and absconds from excess.

Let's consider it the other way round - who did all this development work in earlier ages, guarded the secrets, and had time to devote (or "spare")? Monks and "masters". I think a lot of their biases went into the teachings. Today, where survival is more easily secured at least for people in the Western world, education and information is available, I think both is possible: Cultivation and leading a life in "this world".

I don't think this prevents access to astral or higher planes and have seen nothing indicating that either.

Oliver

[Borzopayn]

it is kind of interesting though, that the first thing that happens (to almost everyone it seems) when they start gaining awareness in the astral is sexual activity. something that happens to me a few times a month now, is that i will fall asleep, move into an unconscious dream, sexual activity will take place immediately, and within moments i will become lucid.

an idea that is occurring to me involves the concept of the male and female forces or energies in this universe, not our physical interpretation, but more along the lines of positron/electron, or the positive/negative forces discussed in hermetic philosophy. uniting these forces seems to be the key to many mysteries, and im starting to wonder if perhaps this is what takes place in the higher levels of existence, but because we are still in the process of evolution in moving towards these higher levels, our way of deciphering this union revolves around the physical act itself, its what we've been accustomed to or taught... kind of like we get to the astral, these energies begin to combine in some fashion that we arent quite capable of fully understanding yet, so the first thing we assign to it is the physical human sexual act because it makes the most sense. maybe im just stating the obvious

you can generate this energy through sex, but once youve accumulated it, you can take the sex part out of it and use it for other things...maybe this is how you purify it?

jennifer

[kilibry]

A well considered response Korpo, I liked it. I would give my full input on this but I realised it wouldnt help anyone else I will say that if you have a vamp hanging around you can loose 3-5 days worth of energy masterbaiting. Personally, I think it's bad unless its truely needed. It seems to lower emotional energy if done in excess, and of course emotional energy is used for various things, including ap, but that may be just the effect on me. The rest of my perspective I dont think would be helpfull, since it's personal experience and belief.

[FailiaFelay]

Sorry, late comer (pardon the pun ) to this thread.

Doesn't it depend on the energy body, it's developement, it's blocks, it's activity, it's quirks? I think one would be hard pressed to say "this is how it is" when it comes *snicker* (sorry) to this stuff.

I think it matters for me, I think it does quite a bit. I have more spontaneous OBE activity after it's been a while. I'm different though, I think I mental project quite a bit in my sleep, as opposed to full blown *hee hee* OBE's.

My $.02, hope I didn't offend anyone and apologies if someone already brought up the whole "it's kinda an individual basis gig" point.

Should I just report myself now and save others the trouble?

[DuePew]

I think you can. I haven't tried it yet, though. BTW, I think you made one more pun than you intended.

[FailiaFelay]

I think you can. I haven't tried it yet, though. BTW, I think you made one more pun than you intended.

LOL, ya I did but I didn't realize it until I was getting ready for sleep last night.

[kilibry]

I think it matters for me, I think it does quite a bit. I have more spontaneous OBE activity after it's been a while. I'm different though, I think I mental project quite a bit in my sleep, as opposed to full blown *hee hee* OBE's.

Some people release energy by just talking. Enough sometimes for even normal people to 'hear' it. So it would be logical to assume that a lot would be released during orgasm. For me, I cant reach my peak energy level unless I can control it for a month or more, and the difference is gigantic for me.

Personally, having a physical body has been really problematic for me. In my case, one layer of me is my current hard earned person, but I always want that person to evolve. Sometimes from enlightening to things, or through actions, or just randomly, an influence will come along, that is like a very good being possessing me. The influence can help me evolve myself much faster than I could without it by shifting my mindset to something really good. But the influences must be really put off by sexual desire, because it always makes them leave.

But for less delicate people, I dont think it matters. It's like the whole freaking out about eating meat or pork thing. A high meat diet is only a problem when you are trying to reach very deep silence and concentration in meditation. Its like worrying about a splinter when you stepped on a nail. Basicly, its only a problem if it is a problem. But if you can give it up I think you should, but for some people its very hard. (Sicko!)