[lXvtm0ox]

Mantak Chia had something about this in one of his books. I don't recall the details; it was some kind of formula such that the older you are the longer you have to wait to replace the energy. It was something like 2 to 3 days at 30 years old. 1 week was something like when you are 60 or 70 years old. If you are a teenager it would be a matter of hours. If I hadn't given away my copy of the book I'd look it up to get the formula more precisely.

(edit: weird. There is a button I could press to report my own post to the moderators. I might have to try that at some time or another.)

[U2DnBGFE]

It's ok as long as we keep it tasteful, people. Like other beliefs, this is the sort of thing that contains a grain of truth but can be used as social control and power over others.
I am 50 years old, female, and have projected on the same night I have had sex (successfully, if you know what I mean). I know of another female approx. my age that reports the same. So, even though, using energy for one thing will obviously deplete it some (that's just plain logic and math) there is another side of the coin. If you project while sexually frustrated, you will become a bit more vulnerable to entities of a lower vibration, or your projection will not be of a high quality.

And yes, Tom, you can report yourself. Your post will end up with a little triangle telling everyone what you did.

[fount_pirat]

RB's written about this. He says it's possible to project immediately after masturbation. I'll take his word for it over some anonymous person trying to sneak judeo-christian shame through the back door.

[fount_pirat]

I haven't successfully consciously projected yet, but I'm beginning to feel what's going on with my energy body. My experience thus far is that one-time energy expulsions like orgasm don't really matter because you can replace the energy very quickly just by raising some more, and if your secondary centers are working properly they start automatically drawing more as needed anyway. I usually feel both my hands and feet open and start drawing energy on their own shortly after or during an orgasm.

Constant energy drains feel different, and I can see they'd give me a problem in keeping energy up. For instance, if I eat a heavy meal I notice energy activity all over my energy body is depressed. It feels a bit like trying to swim upstream, because the digestion process is acting as an energy sink, continually sucking away at any energy I manage to raise.

[Jasonstawnosaa]

I think any kind of energy blockage hinders astral experiences -- therefore, if sexual energy is at a healthy level from day to day (and not repressed) this will actually help one have astral projection experiences and lucid dreams.

[inofindy]

(successfully, if you know what I mean)

I know what you mean. (I'm 43 and female.)

Personal reflection and based on a bit of experimentation, sexual energy can be lost or you can direct it. I have experimented with directing the energy from a sexual release to various purposes. Mind you, it can be difficult to concentrate at a time like that, but I have an unusual ability to split my consciousness, and I've always got one part of myself that's "apart" from the rest (I think this can be learned; I seem to do it more or less naturally).

I believe that if you pre-build a mindform or astral construct, it's possible to send the energy to that, rather than just letting it dissipate into the universe, but I'm still in the experimental stages with this. There are plenty of writings on using sex (including masturbation) in acts of magickal ritual, so I think there's probably something to it.

I've also experimented with directing the energy back to myself, directing it to God, directing it to my partner, and so forth.

Most of the time I don't bother, though. I haven't found it to be particularly "draining". If anything, it's a good way to release stress, and the endorphins can help clear your mind, which I find helpful for various kinds of psychic work (prayer, remote viewing, etc.). Well, that is, if I don't just fall asleep.

(I hope that was tasteful enough, CFT )

[Borzopayn]

many of my most powerful and lengthy projections occurred after conjuring up sexual energy during meditation and holding onto it for a bit, but refraining from releasing it with an orgasm. when i first started experimenting with it, i wasnt feeling much sensation in the rest of my body, and i would occasionally project, and that was about a year ago. now when i use this method, my entire body essentially has the sensation of being a conduit,and theres a safe bet i'll either project or achieve awareness while dreaming that night, even if only for a few moments. its something ive been able to reproduce enough times to suspect strongly there is a connection, but im not sure yet of where that is.

[Apparpsmose]

Speaking about sex between a couple, rather than masturbation, I think its capacity to deplete energy would depend on whether you find sex energising or draining. I guess that would depend on the nature of your relationship and other life circumstances. Personally (here I go, treading the fine line CF) I find raising energy and/or meditation also increases the desire for and enjoyment of sex. (Maybe that's why my hubby is all in favour of my practices. ) Sex is a great way to release excess energy too.

Oh and there's a story I could tell about how I know raised energy can be transferred in a most pleasurable way for the recipient but then CF might have to smack my wrist! -Let's call it tantra and leave it at that... Yes, I'm watching...

Sorry, what was the topic again?

[unioneserry]

There is plenty of energy depleted during sex, of course... Energy being raised for OBE is not nesessarily sexual... I have done both on same day/night MANYMANY TIMES... don't worry kid,,, you wont go blind either...

[Nikkkola]

Haven't we beaten this topic to death yet?

[Jorcelirl]

Ahh thank you for this information now I can savely enjoy my nights with my girlfriend after which I can practice OBE

[DuePew]

is Watching...

Haven't we beaten this topic to death yet?

[entaifsfets]

[Nikkkola]

is Watching...
Originally Posted by Tom Haven't we beaten this topic to death yet?

So you are saying ...

You want to watch me beat this topic to death?

[Fiipolera]

I think it depends on what you believe. I'm pretty sure it has worked either way for me.

[entaifsfets]

I did read in a book(john magnus i think)that when APing,he had sexual urges he couldn't control,so had to masturbate before AP in order to remain in control of himself-until he'd learned more natural control of himself.

[LarpBulaBus]

I think Mantak Chia explains that the issues is mostly for men, because with men when you ejaculate, your losing the life giving force which takes lots of energy to make. He says women don't lose as much energy because their ejaculates has no life giving force.

[DuePew]

I think Mantak Chia explains that the issues is mostly for men, because with men when you ejaculate, your losing the life giving force which takes lots of energy to make. He says women don't lose as much energy because their ejaculates has no life giving force.

But you realize that these theories are based on scientifically unsound theories, that are basically shown not to be true? The scientific knowledge caught up, but the basic idea didn't, and then we have ideas like sperm 'having life force' and eggs 'not', males being superior, women being inferior....yada yada yada....

[Nikkkola]

Originally Posted by orygbus I think Mantak Chia explains that the issues is mostly for men, because with men when you ejaculate, your losing the life giving force which takes lots of energy to make. He says women don't lose as much energy because their ejaculates has no life giving force.

But you realize that these theories are based on scientifically unsound theories, that are basically shown not to be true? The scientific knowledge caught up, but the basic idea didn't, and then we have ideas like sperm 'having life force' and eggs 'not', males being superior, women being inferior....yada yada yada.... You've got it backward here.

The point with this is that men have to work much harder than women just to keep up. Mantak Chia points out that women are overwhelmingly superior even without training. (To be fair, I would not have described what Mantak Chia wrote the way it is described in the material you are quoting.)

[DuePew]

I'm not talking about what Mantak Chia wrote, as it is obvious *ahem* that the male uses more energy having sex in a physical sense. I'm talking about the ancient belief that the embryos were implanted on the female by the male, who already had the complete human in their loins (aka humunculus) and the woman was the 'empty vessel' who only carried the male's offspring. That's why in many cultures women were replaceable, and often raised other women's children as their mother, since the provenance that mattered was the man's, and the 'life essence' was in the man- she just grew the baby in her womb. This idea shaped a lot of polygamous cultures- it really didn't matter who grew the baby, the babies came from the father anyway. The knowledge that the dna comes from both parents is fairly new, and even though anyone who has had children knows they change as they grow to sometimes look like one or the other parent, they explained it away saying that the process of gestation helped shape the baby.
That's what I'm talking about.
To be fair, Indians in general were amongst the most 'egalitarian' of the ancient societies, and even women were allowed to study with Gurus and were considered equals in many aspects.
But when I hear stuff like 'the male has the life energy' that gets my hackles up.
Must be that PMS. Or menopause. At my age, who knows.
Sorry I couldn't resist.