[neictscek]

I've never consciously projected even though I do remember spontaneously being projected both which lasted maybe 5 seconds. But now I'm actually trying to learn this and the first time I felt the vibrations and everything was going well I realized there is always a "Mysterious Character" standing as if its waiting for me to project. How do I know?

First attempt of projecting, I remember getting sight before actually feeling the exit sensation and I realized there was someone standing before me by my door if my legs were 6 o clock and my head was 12 o clock, it was always at my 1 o clock just standing there waiting. This is during the night so I can't see how the character looks but the first time I thought it was my mother for some reason. Anyway the exit sensations caused me to abort the projection, as I found out later it was my heart center that was doing all that, I happened to stop because I have a thing for always wondering if I'm doing stuff right or wrong, in this case I thought I was doing it wrong.

Second attempt of projecting was today, I had just woken back up and I wanted to see if I could project, I then felt like trying to induce trance. At some point I kind of think that my projected double is being generated, but I slip into a dream. I'm assuming I woke back up and started flicking in and out of dream, physical and then finally real time zone projected double.

The reason I say this is because right when I flick out the dream I find myself in my bed exactly how it is and I see the mysterious character standing there eating a chicken and I think it's my mother so I ask "Is there any more food? and the character responds in a dark, ogre type of voice saying "Why?"

This woke me up because I thought I was actually awake at that point, and I was trying to think back and I remember the dream and then instantly back in bed so I thought I was awake. I then remembered the first attempt I had seen the same image but I didn't think of it as anything even though I know I say the exact same character.

Question - What could it be? and is he sitting there waiting for me to project?

[DuePew]

Look up "Dweller on the Threshold" in the AD pedia.

[Jorcelirl]

I have actually met with simular things only I wasn't projecting or OBEing at that time. I was extreemly sick in bed after food poisoning, I'm not easely scared so I just smiled and went to sleep again.

I think they are called Shadow people? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_people ) Although I can be wronge ofcourse.

I encountered the "hatman" version:

[DuePew]

I've had 'hooded figure', and 'goth teenager dude' (go figure) and 'dark shapeless mass with red eyes'. The connecting characteristics of all three types were the red eyes. Awesome.

[Jorcelirl]

I've had 'hooded figure', and 'goth teenager dude' (go figure) and 'dark shapeless mass with red eyes'. The connecting characteristics of all three types were the red eyes. Awesome.

Hmm mine didn't although I actually never examined him that long. I had only few seconds to glimps on him and then I went to bed


Btw to the original poster if you want him to disapear just OBE in well lid room or during bright days where little to no shadow can be projected.

[Escamsrasiush]

Maybe its your guide and yours just happens to like chicken, i no i do.

JS

[neictscek]

Yep...it was the hooded figure

At first I did think it was the shadow dweller affect but I've had that many times and never been startled by it, this time it actually messed up my whole trance state. Now it makes me more motivated to try and project so I can finally see it face to face.

The fact that I could've actually seen it makes me believe I'm moving closer and closer to projecting

Thanks for the feedback

[Escamsrasiush]

I actually just read about this in AD. R.B. says theyre usually just neg's, but they take that shape because that is what most people beleive ghosts and stuff to look like.

JS

[DuePew]

I actually just read about this in AD. R.B. says theyre usually just neg's, but they take that shape because that is what most people beleive ghosts and stuff to look like.

JS

Actually Robert says it could be either negs or feedback, depending on the circumstances. You might want to reread the 'mind split' effect, where he talks about it.

[Escamsrasiush]

Ya i forgot about the feedback, he does say that. How long ago did u read the book? Or u just got a good memory

JS

[DuePew]

Ya i forgot about the feedback, he does say that. How long ago did u read the book? Or u just got a good memory

JS

About two years ago. It's easy to remember stuff when you answer questions, though. That's how teachers do it.

[Escamsrasiush]

True, i just finished the book earlier today.

But to help Astral Explorer, R.B. said if you want, once you get OBE create a sword or bat and beat him away.

JS

[neictscek]

^^^
I'll keep that in mind, before I do that though, is it possible to ask it why it's bothering me...if its actually a NEG? Could I even talk to it in general? Is it wise to even talk to it?

[DuePew]

^^^
I'll keep that in mind, before I do that though, is it possible to ask it why it's bothering me...if its actually a NEG? Could I even talk to it in general? Is it wise to even talk to it?

If it's a neg I don't know if it's a good thing or not. If it's a shadow aspect of yourself it may be useful. It depends on the effect it has on you. If it terrorizes you I guess you have to weigh what you think is the best course. Some time ago I had a problem with one that kept recurring, and after fighting it over and over I ended up talking to it. It didn't get nicer but it went away. For whatever it's worth. If you want I can pull the account from where it's recorded and I can post it for you. However, it's not for the faint hearted.
I can't do it now, I have a meeting to go to, however.

[Dkavtbek]

It's always a good idea not to run from your fears... In your early OBEs, it's more likely that the negs you meet are self-created from fears and trauma rather than genuine "evil" demons. You'll find that by overcoming them, your fears will progressively regress, which will have an actual effect on your everyday life.

Fighting is not always the best option, because you are reacting in a primal way to a non-physical danger... If you are not well prepared, whatever tool you create to lunge at this "entity" will probably be ineffective, your doubt will prevent you from harming it, and you will find yourself powerless, panicking, in a state of undescribable anger and fear. Picture some horror movie where a guy empties his gun into a humongous monster, and the thing doesn't even react to them... The empty pistol starts clicking, and the guy suddenly realizes that he doesn't have a weapon anymore, it's just him and the monster... That's how things will usually end up.

These are tests that you present yourself with... They will teach you to use your logical, rational mind when facing an unusual situation. Instead of attempting to destroy the enemy, seek to understand it.. If it attacks you, remain calm and watch as it desperately tries but fails to harm you in any way. I've had so many experiences where an animal or insect climbed on me, bit me, and when I realized I wasn't feeling any pain, that it couldn't even make me take a step back, no matter how massive and how strongly it pushed against me, it would just vanish instantly.

In other words, it's more important to win the battle "in your heart" and watch the situation fix itself on its own, rather than using violence and possibly failing the test...

Oh and "Hooded figure" looks a lot like a bearded guy that appeared to the foot of my bed in trance once... The room got very very warm, I didn't even have bed covers on me... And then I dosed off and saw "him"; he was pretty much watching me sleep. I didn't get a bad vibe from him, though, it felt like he was here to protect me...

[Escamsrasiush]

Ya i think kiwibonga is right on this.

But like he said most things are an expression of your own fear. Think about it and see if u really have any fears of OBE and address them. But having a little fear can be a good thing, it keeps you from doing stupid things. You don't want to go around fearless and making rash decisions.

Anyways, negs or anything of that matter (if it is of that matter) just try to intimidate projectors. We are much stronger than most of the astral wildlife out there. Just like a bear and a human, its more afraid of you than you are of him (or something like that).

JS