[xpllmr]

Has anyone ever found this sort of situation when learning how to float near the edge of consciousness, just before you fall asleep?:

*hypnagogic imagery begins to play, maybe one or two images pass by, there for a few moments*
Oh! I just had the imagery!
*back to square one*
Dangit.
*a little more time passes, and I started to fade out again, and hear something like repetitive clapping, but not paying attention to it, fading out*
Oh wait, I hear clapping now.
*bzzzt, jerk back awake to F1, maybe*
Dangit.
*repeat several more times*

Haha.

Put all of this into the context of phasing, if you like. It's one of the methods I've tried recently.

Also, when I've tried to do a regular exit OBE, vibrations, et al, it seems quite easy for me to feel high-speed vibrations in my head. Even when I'm holding still and not feeling actual sleep paralysis. I can get that to happen. The only thing I haven't been able to do is get the vibrations to spread to the rest of my body. I've just begun energy work, and only maybe a week ago found out about Robert Bruce and his NEW system. Before that, I did a lot of work with the brow chakra, even overloading once and getting high, dizzy, with slurred speech, hehe. So maybe the head vibrations are easy because I've worked on that chakra a lot?

[DuePew]

I hate to tell you that the hypnagogic state is the beginning of deep trance- that you need to stay aware longer to get deep enough to get to the exit point. So you don't need to 'follow' the visions- if you synch properly they'll slow down for you.
As to vibrations, they are also the beginning of the exit process. Sometimes exit happens either after they (too) have slowed down for you-sometimes exit is possible after vibes have stopped altogether. This is a little known fact (or factoid, since in projecting nothing works 100% the same for everybody) that frustrates potential projectors who think they have lost the 'window of opportunity' for projecting when the vibes stop.
Two more things to note: Not everyone experiences vibrations, as some people have smoother transitions from the physical to the nonphysical states, so your goal shouldn't be to slow down the vibes or control them, but to use them as a synchonization tool to exit. Sort of like a surfer waiting for the right wave to jump in.
Another note: The vibes you get when practicing NEW are not the same ones you get upon exit- NEW vibes are more your awareness 'tuning in' to your energetic sensations, and to your body's natural rythmns.
One thing you can do to help you reach deep trance without clicking out is to try to combine looking at your hypnagogics and listening to your earhiss, and you might find yourself having exit sensations while completely aware.

[FBtquXT8]

Consciousness before asleep is very interesting. I can do everything in this state. I often hear some music in my head or I have spontaneously short visions of my room and near places. I often appear in this vision. Sometimes it happened to me before I asleep, that I can see thru closed eyelids. The state before asleep is very useful for more psychic abilities or to try something new. The mental aspect before asleep is the fact, that many people can qucklier relaxed and they have suggested this fact long time of a life.

[CedssypeEdids]

Hello, Eldanen.

This might correlate with something I just recently read in Bruce Moen's books - for example "Voyage into the Unknown" and "Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook".

In Moen's model of consciousness there are two parts of you that experience this whole non-physical experience - the Interpreter and the Perceiver. The Interpreter is your ego voice, making associations with pre-stored memory... and going on and on in associations and fully distracting you. And the other one is the Perceiver, who actually submits new sensory input from the non-physical world.

Robert for example recommends "Mind Taming", the use of willpower to silence the mind. According to Moen this is necessary to allow the Perceiver to supply new imagery and non-physical sensory input. The Interpreter has the tendency to take awareness away from the perceptions and therefore kill the experience.

On the other hand, according to Moen, a certain amount of Interpreter is necessary to actually store the memory in the brain. The Interpreter not only lists out associations like "I just saw a cat. I had a cat once, it loved its yarn. Yarn sounds like yawn. Darn! I lost concentration." (also known as the monkey mind), according to Moen it also makes these memory associations in the first place. According to Moen for good recall a certain amount of Interpreter is necessary or else you just click out and simply not remember the experience.

Finding a balance between Interpreter and Perceiver is according to Moen the key in having an experience and to remember it. It is at least an interesting idea.

So, when you have the imagery, don't get startled by the Interpreter kicking in. When you are awake in your mind, the Interpreter is potentially there, too. Just relax it, shift your awareness away from the Interpreter. When it comes up, shift back to the experience. Find a balance. This might help.

Take good care,
Oliver

[DuePew]

Glad to have you back, Oliver.
IMO the perceiver is the subconscious, and the interpreter is the conscious mind. Both functions are in accordance with what each part of our minds do. The subconscious perceives but doesn't judge, the interpreter judges, and makes sure the info is stored in a way we can retreive it. I have my own ideas of why this is but it goes beyond the scope of this thread.
On the other hand, according to Moen, a certain amount of Interpreter is necessary to actually store the memory in the brain. The Interpreter not only lists out associations like "I just saw a cat. I had a cat once, it loved its yarn. Yarn sounds like yawn. Darn! I lost concentration." (also known as the monkey mind), according to Moen it also makes these memory associations in the first place. According to Moen for good recall a certain amount of Interpreter is necessary or else you just click out and simply not remember the experience. I agree with this, because we are always the perceiver but only sometimes the interpreter.
Finding a balance between Interpreter and Perceiver is according to Moen the key in having an experience and to remember it. It is at least an interesting idea. I believe this is what Monroe called using/adding the left brain where the right brain usually dwells.
I call it making the unconscious conscious.
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