[rassedgesse]

Sometimes when I get my energy body to exit the physical, I am not always in the same room. Sometimes I end up in the house I grew up in(like its 10years ago sleeping in my childhood bed). Sometimes I end up in different rooms I think I have never been in before.

But the same thing is always true, I am projecting from a bed, whether it is the one I sleep in every night(currently) or my childhood or perhaps from ???previous/future lives???

Has anyone here ever projected out of a different time frame(exit out of a different house/bed that you have lived in before your current bed/house?

Maybe the veil is getting thinner.

Any input?

[DuePew]

Projecting straight into your childhood home is fairly common to all projectors. I think maybe we get conditioned to 'go' there, because we got used to doing it as children, and it just happens. Another possible reason is that we have unresolved issues that started in our childhood, so by unconsciously processing stuff makes us 'tune into' way back home.
Just an idea.

[somasideff]

Isn't it possible that while out of body, we are the ones who are creating the environment around us and it's not a physical one? If this holds true, then the mind/subconscious/soul/whatever creates the environment, may does so from the memories of current phyiscal surroundings, or past ones held in the projector's memory.

I know someone will come and mention reality fluctuations. But in my two short OOBEs and in most other people's (from the posts I read here), the reality around the projectos is mostly something different that the "real" one. So maybe we shouldn't talk about reality fluctuations, this may be the standard, while a reality identical to the one we experience in the waking life maybe is an exception!

Of course this is all the humble opinion of someone *not* experienced in OOBEs, who just had two spontaneous ones that maybe even were not OOBEs. I'm just expressing my opinions.

[DuePew]

Isn't it possible that while out of body, we are the ones who are creating the environment around us and it's not a physical one? If this holds true, then the mind/subconscious/soul/whatever creates the environment, may does so from the memories of current phyiscal surroundings, or past ones held in the projector's memory.

There's nothing wrong with this theory. Even with those of us who believe that OBE's are information-gathering from outside the body, still think that what we perceive is what we are giving shape to: In other words, the energy is there, we give it shape.

I know someone will come and mention reality fluctuations. But in my two short OOBEs and in most other people's (from the posts I read here), the reality around the projectos is mostly something different that the "real" one. So maybe we shouldn't talk about reality fluctuations, this may be the standard, while a reality identical to the one we experience in the waking life maybe is an exception! Yes, but the exception to what? Just because most people don't remember or can't prove that what they see is what is there in the physical, doesn't mean that this isn't happening, because every once in a while we get a validation that is not explainable by any other means than by having had an experience in which our point-of view received info not possible by any other way.
Of course this is all the humble opinion of someone *not* experienced in OOBEs, who just had two spontaneous ones that maybe even were not OOBEs. I'm just expressing my opinions. Just give yourself time. My validations came without my trying to get them, but some were unmistakeable.

[somasideff]

Originally Posted by Deadliner Isn't it possible that while out of body, we are the ones who are creating the environment around us and it's not a physical one? If this holds true, then the mind/subconscious/soul/whatever creates the environment, may does so from the memories of current phyiscal surroundings, or past ones held in the projector's memory.

There's nothing wrong with this theory. Even with those of us who believe that OBE's are information-gathering from outside the body, still think that what we perceive is what we are giving shape to: In other words, the energy is there, we give it shape. I agree. But what we give shape to does not necessarily mean that it exists outside of us. It may exist inside us!

Just give yourself time. My validations came without my trying to get them, but some were unmistakeable.

I trully hope that I will oneday get some validations. It's not that I do not belive that the OOBE is a mystical/spiritual experience that exists outside of the physical boundaries of the mind and body. It's just that I tend to believe that in the end, it's an *inward" experience, from whithin which we can travel to spiritual realms other than the physical one.

Inside, outside, it doesn't matter. It's non-physical, that's what is important.

[DuePew]

I agree. But what we give shape to does not necessarily mean that it exists outside of us. It may exist inside us! Some of us believe that ultimately, there is no real difference.

Inside, outside, it doesn't matter. It's non-physical, that's what is important. But you said it for me!

[Ecurrexchangess]

I have had this experience several times, ggreggerh. I think I just feel safe in my childhood home, or it's got so many dreams to back it up that it's a common place to project to, lol.

Where it starts to get strange is when (as you mentioned something akin) you feel your "physical body" lying in your old childhood bedroom, and project from THAT body, rather than your current physical body in your adult bedroom. My only thoughts on that is that it's an actual OBE in process but that the largest portion of the consciousness is in a dream environment at the time and interprets it as a part of the dream enviro. I think it's then possible to transition to almost anywhere you want to go, be it a somewhat accurate RTZ reflection of your childhood home, or a dream environment approximation thereof.

Ultimately to me it hasn't been important if I was there in the RTZ or not (the fluctuations suggest not, I've seen snow when it hasn't been winter, etc...but I HAVE had a few details, like hearing voices in the house, that have been verifiable later, e.g. "Were you on the phone with someone at the front of the house, talking quietly around 7am?")... I'm just happy to be having the experiences for the moment.

[abossakon]

But what we give shape to does not necessarily mean that it exists outside of us. It may exist inside us!

And that's the zinger! Even our waking world perceptions occur "inside" of us. We get sensory perceptions from our optical and other nerves that tell us about the apparently stable environment that exists outside of our craniums.

So who's to say exactly where the sensory perceptions we're receiving in the dream/OBE state are coming from?! After years of keeping a dream journal, I've come to the conclusion that some of the things I've dreamed about and some of the places I've gone to in the OBE state are just not things I've ever experienced in my "waking world sensory input data stream."