[neerewed]

Hey Hey peoples how are we all?,

Im brand new at this OBE stuff and have only just been enlightened to the FACT that there is far more to this world than what can be seen with the physical eyes.

Over the past 2-3 months a friend from work and i have been learning and reading and listening to all info on OBE's that we can possibly get our hands on as many of you guys and gals would have done yourselves and last night was my first conscious one since the many spontaneous ones i had in my "dreams" as a child which i had really always put down to just dreams i guess but now see that they were much more than just dreams.. soooo here we go

Last night i did an hour long mediation like ive been doing for the past month and on and off for the 2 previous months, there were medium energy sensations as usual, so i finished up and then tried to go to sleep.

5 days prior to this i had finally talked myself into quitting the smoking of marijuana which i truly believed was holding my astral progression back and was developing bad habits (such as only being able to clear my mind if i had some), so because of this i was having some trouble getting to sleep.

an hour - an hour and a half passed and i was still awake i had been lying very still for some time and even playing around a bit more with my energy due to my partial insomnia. All of a sudden i got massive heavy waves and a huge falling sensation not only in the pit of my stomach but my whole body over and over that were 100 times more intense than any energy work i had ever done, i remembered to stay calm and i let this feeling engulf my whole self feeling myself float out of my body.

as i was floating out the first time i suddenly got pushed to the ground very fast by something and i felt myself being totally pinned like something was holding my arms legs head and torso to the floor with tremendous force i got scared and my OBE stopped and i returned to my body.

This is when it really got interesting.. as i returned to my body i felt myself project again almost the minute i returned to my body, feeling a massive amount of fear all around me (most probably the dweller on the threshold type thing) and with my eyes still being closed (because i though that as soon as i projected i would be able to see..) i thought back to what Robert had said about the fear subsiding the further away from your body you get, so i thought ok ill try this flying thing, so still being as blind as a bat i flew off as approx 45deg angle as fast as i could to get away from this fear.

The fear disappeared instantly and i found myself just floating still not moving at all but with no fear what so ever, so a began to ask myself why cant i see anything (could this be from smoking weed for so long that my minds eye may not have been developed enough?) so thinking i had ruined my projection and i was back in my body possibly i opened my "physical" eyes or what i thought to be my physical eyes to reveal the most beautiful view i have ever seen, during my flight away from my fear i had ended up in space and as i opened my eyes i saw thousands and thousands of different galaxies and stars of the most wondrous colours i could ever imagine... i was in awe with my body filling with love for everything, i was not moving anymore as i had stopped flying before i opened my eyes.

I gazed at this for only 5-10 seconds followed by flying in a lil 180 and then feeling myself back in my physical body...

I sat there for minutes in awe of what i had just experienced before messaging my friend about it and waking my girlfriend to tell her (both my friend and girlfriend have also been studying OBE's with successes similar to mine so i knew they would relate and more importantly believe what i had seen...)

sorry about this thengthy post peoples but i have to vent this experience with people who can encourage and maybe help explain some of the pieces of my first ever conscious OBE.

cheers for ya time guys and gals i look forward to talking, reading, meeting and travelling astrally with as many of you as i can over the course of my life.

[zU8KbeIU]

...as i was floating out the first time i suddenly got pushed to the ground very fast by something and i felt myself being totally pinned like something was holding my arms legs head and torso to the floor with tremendous force i got scared and my OBE stopped and i returned to my body.

This is when it really got interesting.. as i returned to my body i felt myself project again almost the minute i returned to my body, feeling a massive amount of fear all around me (most probably the dweller on the threshold type thing) and with my eyes still being closed (because i though that as soon as i projected i would be able to see..) i thought back to what Robert had said about the fear subsiding the further away from your body you get, so i thought ok ill try this flying thing, so still being as blind as a bat i flew off as approx 45deg angle as fast as i could to get away from this fear. What I think happened to you is that you switched between the etheric double and your physical body that was in a state of sleep paralysis or that it was some type of brief astral feedback because the two bodies were in telepathic communication.

It seems to me you were able to see as a direct result of moving away from fear. I feel your blindness may have been something of a psychological response. Astral blindness or vision distortion happens to skilled projectors from time to time (and, no, I don't consider myself particularly skilled) so I wouldn't put it down to marijuana use necessarily, though I'm glad to hear you're kicking the habit. People put blind OBEs down to low energy and I think that's feasible. I think that can happen if you're a bit run down or using medications (I know my ten year old had a blind one when he had some dimetapp before bed.) I also think it happens if you've already projected just previously but failed to download the memory.

i had ended up in space and as i opened my eyes i saw thousands and thousands of different galaxies and stars of the most wondrous colours i could ever imagine... This is a classic AP. If this occurs again you may find yourself travelling through a tunnel to an astral realm but it's also possible you were in an astral version of space. If you look back the way you've travelled you may see the surface skin of a lower astral plane beneath you and this means you are definitely in the astral planes. According to Robert, if it's a lower astral plane membrane, it will be quite plain in pattern- grids of grey and brown- but if it's intricate and colourful it's a higher astral plane. To enter the plane you dive through the membrane. If a structure exists in the centre gridline, this will take you to the highest level in the plane. If you're trying for a higher astral plane you head towards the brighest star or you may see its surface skin above you and you pass through the centre of one of the squares.

i was in awe with my body filling with love for everything, i was not moving anymore as i had stopped flying before i opened my eyes. Niiiice

[fedelwfget]

What a brilliant experience Infinite. It's been ages since I've had a pleasant OBE, I can't wait to have one again soon.

Keep up the good work.

Matt

[DuePew]

Thanks for sharing Infinite. I haven't been in 'outer space' in a long while and miss it. It is an awesome experience, isn't it?
ps. 'Astral blindness' happens to everyone sooner or later- I sometimes think that it has to do with what your energy levels are that day, but it could be due to something else, like what part of the astral you're in, and how 'connected' to your physical body you are. So it's to be expected.

[zU8KbeIU]

I find I'm getting "blackouts" akin to astral blindness in my dreams every so often. I can't help but wonder if it's a lucidity cue because it often leaves me on the edge of lucidity. I'll just be going through my dream motions and suddenly I'm in the dark and trying to rationalise it in the dream. I can often get the picture back in the dream as I can in a lucid dream.

[DuePew]

As you know I bilocate often and I think this is the cause for much of my blindness- since I'm not completely 'body asleep' the darkness of my eyelids gets combined with the view, and it takes some energy to 'see' at the same time. Sometimes it 'clears up', I suspect this is my vision 'tuning into' the astral, but sometimes I just give up and use 'tactile echolocation' to go through 'space', and eventually my p.o.v. resolves to the out of body state.
I think the more lucid your dream the more chances are of this happening, possibly for the same reason. The 'dream pool' loses it's focus and you find yourself 'in between' pools. I suggest just flying away and having a classic OBE.

[zU8KbeIU]

That's a fantastic explanation of astral blindness!

As for flying away, I've got to get lucid first. I can be unbelievably obtuse in my dreams.

[CedssypeEdids]

Can you tell me more about "tactile echo-location", CF? Sounds intriguing.

Oliver

[DuePew]

I made up the term- I just feel my way around, not with real 'touching' but more like 'detecting where space is and where denser space is'. It's hard to explain, it's sort of 'tactile vibration feeling'.
I hope it wasn't too muddy. Maybe another projector can describe this better.

It's almost 10 here I have to go. Have a nice morning (evening for some) everyone.

[ManHolDenPoker]

I made up the term- I just feel my way around, not with real 'touching' but more like 'detecting where space is and where denser space is'. It's hard to explain, it's sort of 'tactile vibration feeling'.
I hope it wasn't too muddy. Maybe another projector can describe this better.

It's almost 10 here I have to go. Have a nice morning (evening for some) everyone.

is it something like "feeling" the room with your mobile body awareness?

[DuePew]

Originally Posted by CFTraveler I made up the term- I just feel my way around, not with real 'touching' but more like 'detecting where space is and where denser space is'. It's hard to explain, it's sort of 'tactile vibration feeling'.
I hope it wasn't too muddy. Maybe another projector can describe this better.

It's almost 10 here I have to go. Have a nice morning (evening for some) everyone.

is it something like "feeling" the room with your mobile body awareness? Yes, but 'on steroids'. In other words, when you're projected, you also 'feel' the 'space' in-between. Sort of a difference between the texture/density of matter and the texture/density of air. Kind of hard to describe, but in essence yes.

[CedssypeEdids]

Hmm - I had an experience at least once. I did not see anything, but it seemed like my sense of touch had turned 3D and I just *knew* where everything was. Really hard to describe. I felt not blind, even though technically I was, but more like somebody shut down the light and I still knew where everything was. Where my awareness went, I knew where everything was.

Something like that?

Oliver

[DuePew]

I don't think so. What you're describing is what I get a lot on and around the full moon- almost like 'fuzzy astral sight' where it's like seeing through frosted glass, or like looking at a 3-D representation of an infrared image, but not in green tones- (I'm not really helpful, am I?)
This is more like that but completely tactile- another way of describing it would be imagine a room is filled with water (or a very thick fog) and you can perceive the changes in density of the objects vs. the fog/water, and you can convert it into a sort of 3-D image that you traverse through, but you feel it as you go, instead of seeing it.
In retrospect it may be the same effect, but perceived differently.