[searkibia]

Whenever I try to AP and leave my computer speakers on they make a loud consistent crackling noise for about a second (just less) as I'm starting to drift off. This wakes me fully. If I try to goto sleep again it happens again. I can turn them off obviously. I want to know what is causing this. It almost seems sinister but it could be "me" interfering with them.

[DuePew]

You could be hearing astral noise, and that would be making it sound like the crackle is coming from your speakers. I have never heard of the energy body interfering with electronics, but since astral noises are common upon exit, and can be electric-sounding, that's what I think it is.

[CedssypeEdids]

Yeah, the timing seems to suggest that.

When I fall in a trance, I quite reliably get those sounds of "furniture moving". Initially they were distracting...

You could experiment by actually unplugging or actually removing the speakers from the room. Or put a blanket over them... that should help finding things out.

Oliver

[VowJoyday]

A very large energy pulse can affect electronics. Usually it blows them out. However, speakers were made to handle transient spikes (which would sound like crackly noises or pops and snaps).

This can also happen if there is something else (electrical appliance) on the same electrical circuit as the computer/speakers which turns itself off just after the time you go to bed (TV, air freshener, motion light, computer monitor going to standby mode)

I agree that its more likely just astral or exit noise.

Does not sound like something worrying causing it.

As a practical suggestion, just move the speakers farther from your bed. If its exit related, the noise should stop.

[searkibia]

It does come from the speakers, I'm 99% sure. If I turn them off I do not get it. I am not very deep into relaxtion when it happens. Strangely it only happens when trying to AP. not when going to sleep normally.

Its a very intense short sound, it always wakes me up totally.

[DuePew]

This is cool . I guess it would then be time to do a little bit of experimentation- for example, when you try to ap, do you have a specific discipline that you do every time? Is there a point in the routine when that happens? Try plotting your procedures and recording the event, and see if you get a specific point in it when the speakers do it. It might be interesting as an experiment. If you get consistent results, then try varying your routime and see if the event moves or changes when it occurs.

[searkibia]

Thanks for the response CFTraveller.

I am a beginner in AP. I have done it 3 times, all were very short and uncontrolled, once my jaw was biting a lot as I glided across my room, nothing else really to write home about except once I aped around my brothers' house and was (in the astral) in my house! Amazing when I woke.

I do not have a routine. I have slept on my side/front all my life so to try and AP I simply sleep on my back and try and switch off, sometimes trying other things. I do not have any money to buy any literature and reading the neg abuse forum has made me too scared to ap so I think it wise to do it my way at my pace. I do not want to read anything more.

It does seem to occur around the same depth but that it mostly because I never get past it. I can't really carry out any experimentation but if I did i would expect consistent results as you suggest because it only happens when I try to ap and only when the speakers are on.

[DuePew]

Thanks for the response CFTraveller.

I do not have any money to buy any literature and reading the neg abuse forum has made me too scared to ap so I think it wise to do it my way at my pace. I do not want to read anything more.

That doesn't make any sense to me. Being afraid to ap because of things you have read on the self defense forum, but are trying anyway, is like jumping into a pool without swimming lessons and after being told about drowning or sharks.
Please realize that usually neg problems happen regardless of ap practice, and practice only helps you get control of the situation. Neg problems happen regardless of your practice, and can be more the side effect of awareness- and information puts the control back in your hands, so to speak.
I'm not sure if you know that the reason I found these forums was because of neg problems I was having, and learning NEW and ultimately taking control of my experience through Robert's writings is what gave me the tools to stop the problems.
I do think that you should stop reading the neg abuse forum, because it's for chronic neg sufferers, and only the psychic self defense forum if there is something you need to know, something after the fact.

The astral is a thought-responsive environment- if you come in with fears, and land in a locale that is immediately responsive, you will be faced with what you create.
This is the type of thing you learn when you read Robert's Treatise on Astral Projection, and it's free, and NEW tutorials are free. Reading up on and learning about the astral is helpful with fear, because you will learn to discern what is energy phenomena, and what is self created, and what is truly something to be concerned about.
I strongly recommend educating yourself about what can happen that is caused by your own interaction with your energy body, so that when stuff happens (and it will if you AP to the RTZ) you will know what it is instead of being scared by things that are not scary in of themselves.

If you have time and the inclination, I urge you to look in the AD pedia for 'Dweller on the threshold' phenomena, 'my first conscious projection', and if you have the time read Robert's Treatise on Astral Projection.

They say Knowledge is Power, but I think having information truly is power.

[ceagsoosy]

Reading the self-defense forums made me fear what I could experience once APing. I've been very low for a while now (untreated depression, by untreated I mean I wont see the doctor ) and the way I understand it is .. if you go in with fear and anxiety you are bound to attract 'negative' experiences. I took a break from practise for this reason in particular.

I still read the posts on negs etc now but I dont get so uptight about it all now. I don't want it to hinder my progress and I feel if anything does 'crop up' when I get out and about, at least I'll have some knowledge of what may be happening. The very thought of the dweller on the threshold scared the pants off me for a while!

And.. back on topic the thing with the speakers I find interesting. I would definately be doing some experimentation with that. I also agree that it could be astral noise, when I get to that 'just on the edge of sleep' state I often hear people speaking in hushed voices or my name being spoken. Strange but not scary (anymore)

Lisa

[DuePew]

Sweetie wrote: the way I understand it is .. if you go in with fear and anxiety you are bound to attract 'negative' experiences. I took a break from practise for this reason in particular. I prefer to look at it as the astral being a thought (and emotion)-responsive environment. Self-knowledge is an asset in the waking life, and even more so in the astral.

I still read the posts on negs etc now but I dont get so uptight about it all now. I don't want it to hinder my progress and I feel if anything does 'crop up' when I get out and about, at least I'll have some knowledge of what may be happening. The very thought of the dweller on the threshold scared the pants off me for a while! Amazingly, you get used to a lot of stuff and with experience it loses it's ability to scare. Really .

[ceagsoosy]

I prefer to look at it as the astral being a thought (and emotion)-responsive environment. Self-knowledge is an asset in the waking life, and even more so in the astral I agree... I'm not as adept at expressing myself as some
I just realised that if I went to bed thinking about astral spiders and alien abductions then surely I would be setting myself up for a rough night!

Amazingly, you get used to a lot of stuff and with experience it loses it's ability to scare. Really . I believe you...

[CedssypeEdids]

I agree... I'm not as adept at expressing myself as some
I just realised that if I went to bed thinking about astral spiders and alien abductions then surely I would be setting myself up for a rough night!

I did - and I'm still here.

About the untreated depression - my personal experience with energy work is that it can be a long-term tool to remove stress from the body and mind. My capacity to feel increased, stored stress and stored emotions lessened, and with these improvements, also my general well-being increased.

Currently I am working on my physical/etheric bodies, but the more progress I am making the closer I am to expanding this into the emotional body to confront long-term emotional issues. Like my own self-esteem problems. Those basic assumptions about myself that make my life miserable at times (but less even now ).

While I do not recommend energy work for mental illness, it can be highly beneficial to alleviate the more common emotional issues we like to label as depression over time and return happiness to life. Something you do as an act of self-love, which will over time heal the deeper wounds as well.

Take good care,
Oliver

[zU8KbeIU]

And while you're loving yourself, Sweetie, remember that lots of other people love you too!

[searkibia]

You're right CFTraveller I probably did not explain myself well but I think you can see my way of going about things from your response.

For me this is the case. I read about AP, whether it is Robert Monroe's first book or these forums. It could be said to be a double edged sword, in that you learn of the astral but also of the bad things that can happen. People (entities in general?) fear the unknown, that is ok. So when a newbie (me) tries to AP they may be scared, what if I have all neg abuse thoughts going through my head? I may generate/enduce those things as you say. So I do try and AP but because I do not read very much about it I have not learnt a routine with which I can experiment as you suggest.

Thanks for all the response and suggestions. I actually thought such phenomenon with speakers would be common. I used to live in a house with an astral presence and the speakers used to crackle there when left on. No-where else though. It may be similar to mobile-phone interference etc..

[CedssypeEdids]

For Hermetic magicians, the dual animating principle of the soul, body and everything alive is of Fire and Water elements, which express themselves in the electric and magnetic powers amongst other things. Electro-magnetism is present in your body, and just maybe in your other energy bodies as well. At least in the etheric one, which animates and regulates the physical one, and is the bridge from the physical to the immaterial.

Electro-magnetism surely can induce a crackling sound in a speaker. You said these are active boxes. So they are already powered. A much smaller EM signal is needed for interference, only a non-powered device would need as powerful a surge as wstein suggests. Like when you a handy is transmitting (a SMS comes to mind - the du-du-dut noises you get when it is transmitted and you are close to a speaker), other signals can be heard over the speakers.

Maybe the shift of consciousness from the etheric to the astral does send out a notifiable surge of electro-magnetic waves. Robert says, that the projection is felt in the RTZ/astral surroundings, I think he wrote it in AD that often enough entities panic and leave the area, IIRC.

Oliver

[DuePew]

Thanks Ultra-Magic for taking my advice well. Being a mom I sometimes have a hard time taking off the 'mom hat' and it shows in my advice. You could almost see me wagging my finger when I wrote that one.

[Buhoutsoupfap]

If you plan to record this, could you leave a note here? Would be
interesting to know. Leaving the television and radio on, and flicking
the light switch inbetween an on/off position, it creates interference.

If this electro magnetic interference also happens when doing OOBE
attemtps, it would be extremely interesting to know. Like morse code.

When leaving the radio on and entering the realtime zone, you can
still hear the radio with dj talking from this sone.

[searkibia]

Would you like me to attempt to record it?

I may be able to do it. Though knowing I'm trying to capture it may affect it.

[searkibia]

Does anyone know a good recording program?

[CializCialiscsqw]

I often hear the same cracking sound from my television remote during AP attempts, energy raising etc and during the course of the night. It is my belief this is indeed energy related either having to do with my own auric field or that of nearby energetic activity or both.

Many people report energetic interference in nearby electrical systems ranging from cracking sounds to electrical appliances short circuting and needing to be replaced. IMO the higher the energy levels the more likely electrical interferance is likely to occur, there is potentially many contributing factors involved so it's not as simple as it would seem.


-Astral_Ace