[neeclindy]

So I had this dream where I kept falling asleep and missing school and it was like finals week and so it really sucked. Then I kept skipping school so that I could get away from having to take tests that I wasn't sure about. I went to a college party on this bus and under the bus was an entire wine and beer cellar. I wasn't allowed into the party because I was too young so me and this other guy stole some of the alchol but I didn't drink it becuase I was going to have to drive I thought. I didn't know what car we were going to drive or anything and I was so frustrated wtih the dream, in the dream, that I said to the other person in the dream, "I'm done with this dream."

Now here is where the problem occurs (BTW I don't drink alchol so I don't know how that got into the dream). I then remembered that if I were to have a lucid dream and returned to my body I was to imagine myself drifting out of body. So I did that and I felt vibrations, but I'm not sure if I felt these as part of a second dream or in real life. Then I felt myself roll out of my body onto the floor. Could see fully out of my right eye and my left eye had like a black donut in it that I could see around the edges of and a little bit through the middle. I walked out of the room and into my backyard where I floated around for a little. I then decided I wanted to visit the forbidden city and so I popped up on a building there and I got a really negative vibe so I left and went to new york I saw the city from the east (I think) but it looked kind of fake so I went home. I decided I was going to pop over to Paris but two people were holding me down that took the form of two sort of friends I have. They were both where sweatshirts that had facebook on them (not written but how a page may appear), or a forum page on them. They wouldn't let me leave so I returned to my body.

Now I think the floating down to my back yard may have been real... and maybe even the visit to the forbidden city (beijing) but once I hit new york it didn't feel real anymore, and the two people holding me down... I have no idea. It felt dream-like, so maybe you guys will pick things up in here that I don't know about. Oh, and one more thing if I didn't mention it my vision was black like my eyes were closed and I felt myself roll out of my body, that felt pretty real especially because I was looking through my eyes and felt myself leaving... I don't know though...

[russmodel]

Sounds to me like an OBE alright. The exact same thing happened to me a few weeks ago, except i didn't know I was dreaming. I woke up from the dream for a brief moment, and then suddenly when I tried to move, I ended up falling off of the bed. Only when I looked over at the bed...i was still laying in it! Bizzare eh? Yeah sounds like an OBE for sure. Congrats

[neeclindy]

Ok, so if I did astrally project, who were those two people holding me down? I didn't get a bad feeling from them. In fact it felt like they were helping me...

[jeargefef]

Maybe they weren't holding you down, they were 'escorting' you back?
I for one think I'm usually accompanied when I project but rarely notice until later on when I 'look' besides me or become more conscious of my immediate surroundings (as opposed to looking around 'out there'). I think we all have guides but not always see them. Just a thought, since you didn't feel threatened by them.

[russmodel]

I think traveler pretty much nailed that one. Is it possible to DREAM that you are having an OBE but you're really just dreaming it? Or is it like possible to OBE in a dream? I've been thinking about that, because a lot of people have been having experiences similar to hound's and mine and think about this.

Some people have dreams in which they dream. Anotherwords, they go to sleep for real and they start dreaming. Then they go to sleep in their dream and start to dream within the dream, and then they wake up, thinking that they are awake when really they just woke up to the original dream. So is it possible to fall asleep for real, and start dreaming, and then in your dream you OBE? and maybe the beings that hound saw were really created by the dream in combination with an OBE? maybe i sound really dumb right now. I hope this makes sense to you all. But the real kicker here also is, if it is possible to wake up inside a dream, how can we ever be sure that we are awake?

The answer is awareness. Whenever you can remeber to, say to yourself "I am aware". Most people note that their lives fly by because they are absent minded, and do most tasks on "autopilot". Have you ever methodically and automatically driven to your job, and when you got there, didn't remember the drive? it's like that. that is absence of mind. Just as in real life, during meditation and dreams we can get "caught up" with ourselves and become "aware" - the presence of mindness and consciousness. it's a bit hard to explain.

Basically I believe what you had was an OBE, but in case it happens again, if you are in the practice of being "aware" as much as possible, then you will be able to do the same in dreams, thus creating the effect of lucidity. If you become aware in a dream, you are lucid. Then you can run through your dream checklist. If you can make lasers shoot out of your eyes, you're either superman, or you're dreaming . If you're dreaming, then you're probably not OBEing unless my theory has validity. So That would be one way to know if you are dreaming. Practice awareness. I hope that helps. Cheers!

[neeclindy]

Haha, it's funny that you mentioned the laser coming out of the eyes thing because while I was having the OBE (or dreaming) the thought crossed my eyes that, "It would be totally impossible to create a flaming sword in my hands." Ya that's a weird thought but I tried to do it and it didn't work... which might show that I wasn't lucid dreaming.

[bettingonosports]

I thought the lower and middle range astral planes were filled with spontaneous prejectors thinking they are dreaming, conclusion = many dreams are natural projections. hmm.

[neeclindy]

I keep having dreams where I think about astral projection. Like one night I had a thought that a big group of me and my friends got together at my friends house and we were working on homework on apple laptops (what we use at our school). And so I didn't do my term paper and it was due that day, so I began to work on it, but I thought in my dream, "Hmm, if I didn't do my term paper I'd be in a lot more distress right now... I wonder if all of that was a dream... Nahhh..."

Also last night I had a dream where me and my (deceased) grandfather were sitting in the room and my uncle came in with a book that he and my dad wrote when they were young. The book was an adventure story in a fantasy world. He opened the book and I fell into it and was floating above an open plane with my dad, my uncle, and my grandpa. They were floating around so minuscule... The thought occurred to me, "My dad knew all along about the astral plane, he has actually projected before." Then I returned to myself at a beach with my mom shopping for something in a North Carolina store, but I never saw my mom, she I just knew she was there. Somehow I couldn't maintain my presence there and went back to the book where my Grandpa, my dad, and my uncle were. They were talking to a gigantic turtle, or something and asking if they could be bigger. It wouldn't let them because it's mate was the biggest creature in the land, I knew it was it's mate because it was yellow and it's mate was gray and there was a yellow/gray split creature floating around. But the whole entire place was just so peaceful... Anyway. I keep thinking about the astral plane or my real life while I'm dreaming I just can't remember to lucid dream... Does that make any sense? I feel like if I could remember I would be able to use some of the lucid dream exit techniques in MAP.

[Natashasuw]

Hello

Well I believe you indeed did have an OBE on your first post. You where in the Real Time Zone a short while, but most projectors only stay there a short time before reality fluctuations set in and you shift into an astral plane, it sounds like thats where you went once visiting New York, also i think you should try and keep your obe's a little shorter and closer to home and become very skilled before taking off to other places, with training you can stay for longer periods of time in the RTZ and thus would be able to go visit New York ect... for longer periods without any real reaility flucuations, althought this takes alot of practice

Now it is also possible that at the stage of New York you where also dreaming and the dream sept into your obe, because of the mind split effect you can have multiple copys of your conciousness all running at the same time, and so its possible the REM state started up and sept into your obe ect...

About your dream with your Grandpa your father and the book i would say its most likely a dream, but could possibly be that the book was a doorway to an astral plane.

It sounds like your coming along nicely so keep at it

Thanks

Joel

[neeclindy]

I didn't think that the above post was me actually astrally projecting, I just found it interesting that I'm starting to think about astral projection and lucid dreaming in my dreams. But for some reason I don't believe myself in my dream. Like in those two dreams I mentioned I totally could have done the lucid dream exit techniques but I didn't think to to do it, or didn't realize I was in a dream...

[bettingonosports]

Somewhere during the first week of MAP, I remember I had a dream where I was talking to some random guy at a bus stop about OBE. And my friend alhaalim reported constantly chattering about OBE to everyone in his dreams, as if he was obsessed with it. I think this might be a way for our subconscious mind to explain to our conscious mind what is about to happen and how it will be done.

Also I had strong dreams with a lot of spiritual symbolism in them, such as huge growing violets and other flowers connected to spirituality, snakes and trees and frogs, a pack of animals including white wolves and polar bears walking down my street and speaking to me and a lot of things like that. It's our higher selves giving us a thumbs up, I think.

[neeclindy]

Although I have become more aware of my dreams I haven't really had anything of spiritual significance. Although I have had dreams that have had significant effects in dampening feelings that will interfere with my AP or OBE. For example when I found out about fear having a significant effect on you while you are in the astral plane I had a dream that trained me to not be fearful (I'll write it down later for you guys, I have it written in my dream journal.) I realized something else was limiting my dream lucidity and memory and I had a dream that fixed that... but it's not something I want to share openly lol.