[usaguedriedax]

Hi everyone. Please excuse the placement of this post - but I really wanted to talk about the Ethics of Astral Projection - so I think this is the best place because I didn't see a section on only ethics.

Anyway, I'm having a little problem with someone who has learned OBE's through Robert's book.......not to put blame anywhere......just stating in case this person reads the forum.

They learned about astral projection, and I have discovered that I'm having a little invader in my home - an astral body. When I first started studying metaphysics and the many facets of the its topics, I had some good old school teachers which started a the beginning and layed the foundation of Universal Laws, Ethics and Karma. Although there is much debate with the details of these subjects, I do believe in the Law of Privacy and personally, do not want unwanted, uninvited "guests" in my home watching my personal time.

I feel a little more on the line with some of my protection methods because this is not a demon, not a different species, not a neg, but someone I know......maybe that's why I'm more upset. Well, I guess he could be called a "neg" in some respect.

So, I put up my protection - with clear warnings......stay out of my space unless invited. I believe intention is everything. Many times we may blur the line in researching a subject - but this is not the intent. It is clearly a game and a control thing.

So, here is my question......how much force could or should I use to keep this person out? Warnings have been ignored. We have had a conversation regarding my belief of Ethics and privacy on another issue which happened in a class. So, what if this doesn't stop here and I need to take the next step.... I have set up a sort of barrier.....if he gets hurt crossing that barrier......is the Karma mine.

I've always had a difficult time with the line. I am really a very loving person, but who has been trained as a spiritual warrior in many senses in many lifetimes. This lifetime is truly a lesson of Love or War. I've had teachers who only believed in light - but then couldn't handle when the "heavy" stuff like what Robert deals with came along and just stopped seeing friends because they were plagued with attachments and brought them close. So, I don't just believe in love and light, but try to use that first. Even after I have to fight a demon, I pour love and light into the wounds after to spark the light within them.....hopefully changing thier heart.

I look forward to your opinions on how to handle this and I hope this post helps to remind us that as we learn more knowledge, the weight of responsiblitly is heavy upon us.

Thanks

[KraskiNetu]

To me the important question to settle in your mind before taking stonger action would be to determine if the person is doing this completely consciously. I wasn't quite clear about that from your post. You would have to be absolutely certain that the 'invader' is who you think it is and is deliberately 'invading'.

But if you were certain of that, I don't feel you'd be doing anything wrong in escalating. Naturally the person has been warned and sometimes people need a little lesson.

Personally, from the sound of it, I think the universe is trying to send you a situation that will get you to think about such issues.

You can do these things purely with a loving intent, but still kick some ass! You are entitled to your privacy. As long as you feel the escalation is fitting, then it is. Doing nothing is in my opinion not such a cool idea.

In my case I would not use the same kinds of defences as for a negative entity though! I would do magic to make him get lost on the way from his place to mine, for example. Since he's a novice projector that should puzzle him!

Sometimes people just have to learn, don't they?

Best NN

[nizcreare]

There was another thread about someone projecting into a home but I don't recall enough details to find it right now. I think there was a divorced couple with a child and the mother has custody. The father of the child kept projecting into the home to visit, and it sounded like the child wanted to see the father but the mother wanted to prevent the visits. Does anyone know where that thread went?

[usaguedriedax]

Thanks Nnonnth.

I am sure who it is, and I am sure that he is doing it consciously. I have seen him astrally and even though there is somewhat of a disguise, it is clear who it is.

I had suspected the tendancy towards invasions of privacy through other conversations that we have had. That is why I really wanted to make it clear that we need to respect others and their privacy.

It seems to be a game to him - who is stronger - who is more aware - who is more powerful.......too bad it wouldn't just work to say.....ok you win......It's the control thing. He talks to me afterwards and gives himself away by pointing out things that were seen but wouldn't be known.

I like the lost idea - I'm going to try it. I remember one time, when I first started traveling time lines, I got caught in a time loop all night.........maybe he'll get tired of trying if he gets caught in a loop while trying to find my home.

Thanks

[KraskiNetu]

It seems to be a game to him - who is stronger - who is more aware - who is more powerful.......too bad it wouldn't just work to say.....ok you win......It's the control thing. He talks to me afterwards and gives himself away by pointing out things that were seen but wouldn't be known.

Sheesh... so now we have astral stalkers!

Good luck, let the forum know how you get on... best NN