[Les Allen]

Hi all.

I have been fascinated with “seeing” energy for a very long time. It is not something I talk about to anybody, but I am currently going through a belief system crisis, where I find that I can’t believe what I once believed, and that I don’t know what I should believe unless I can some how validate something to my satisfaction. (Or the satisfaction of my reasoning) The reason this is so important to me at this time is that I seem to have run into a brick wall in projection attempts. I went from a peak of obe’s down to no obe’s. I was up to 18 a month at one point, at a seeming spiritual peak. Then I began to doubt the validity of the event, and began comparing it more so to lucid dreaming. This restructuring took about 3 years. To my horror I could not stop my doubts, even though I knew it was going to affect my ability. The skeptics had worked one over on me.

When I do reality checks daily, I can have 5-10 Lucid dreams a month. They have even increased in duration; I think I’m getting calmer internally as I get older. I haven’t really been doing reality checks lately though, I’m doing the 90-day program, and I’m currently on day 47. It has taken me about 3 months to get to day 47. (I’m a busy guy) 3 months without an obe is unheard of for me since I started having them. I have decided to put the program on pause and do some belief system soul searching.

For a person who wants to validate this type of experience and who “sees” energy, or has astral sight, there is only one place to start, since seeing equals believing. So I have decided to start with the energies I can see, and try to channel these energies in some manner that leads to an obe. Then validate that obe by gleaning something concrete from it, say information of some type that can be validated when awake. I guess one way to do this is the card trick, put a card on the window and have an obe, go to the card and remember what it is then check it when awake. But first, I need to get back to the core of my beliefs, since I can’t seem to get out of body at the moment.

This is where I could use some input from others. If I describe what and how I see energy, and other people have similar experiences, it will help to somewhat validate the reality that I am seeing energy, and don’t just have a quirky imagination. Any input or help would be greatly appreciated, and would also contribute vastly to my soul searching. Also, any tips on manipulating the energy that is seen could prove valuable and experiential. Which could in turn lead to the basis for restructuring and rebuilding my belief system.

Since I see energy all the time (used to think I was crazy), this foundation will prove unshakeable once it’s in place, thereby allowing me more control over experiences that involve the energy body. At least that’s my theory.

Okay, now I will attempt to describe the manner in which I see energy.
Everything I look at has a translucent aura around it, like a clear whitish substance. This aura is usually fairly close to the object or person, from like 1/8th an inch to 1 inch. I have seen it expand when people are very relaxed, sleeping, sedated, or drunk. Tiny particles of energy move through this aura, like particles of light. They are basically clear whitish or golden. But have shades of colors, or intensities attached to them. Blue, green, red, orange, purple, pink, yellow, and black are fairly common. These tiny particles are constantly moving. If I try to gaze into something deeper, like inside an object, I see something similar, although the movement seems different.

These tiny particles are also outside everything, in the air around us, continually moving, jumping, darting, swirling, and jetting, all over the place in a manner that reminds me of organized chaos. They flow from the deepest parts of the universe and ceaselessly bombard the earth and every organic, inorganic, sentient being, and object around.

Around people there is usually and outer shell, say 1-½ feet around the entire body in all directions. It seems to actually be like a container for the tiny energetic particles within. There is usually a bright point of intensity within it that seems to reflect the awareness of people respectively. For example, someone with a bright, large point of intensity is usually very aware and involved, and the particles within are also brighter as a rule. People, whom have very dull points, are boring, tired, ambitionless, and un-evolved. This point is usually fixed, but I have seen it move around and even emit particles of whitish, intense energy within the aura. The shell often has filaments of mass floating through it, that are often formed in shapes or patterns, such as, L shapes, u shapes, or three dots in a triangular pattern. Or weird squiggles and other various patterns and shapes. Difficult to describe, but anyone who sees similar things may understand immediately my meaning. Kind of hoping so actually, as this will validate that what I see is also seen by someone else, and perhaps not just the product of overwhelming “new age” imagination.

More often than not, I have no idea what any of what I see actually means or represents.

One of the reasons I love raising energy and stimulating charkas is that I have noticed more detail in what I see since I have been stimulating the third eye charka. That and it feels good and often gives me full body chills.
Any way, this is an extremely long-winded post so I ought to cut it short.

To summarize:

1. I am looking for ways to manipulate energy that is seen with astral sight and channel it into having an obe, to prove that the energy I see is a real and functional part of existence.

2. I am curious if anyone sees energies and auras in a fashion similar to what I have described, and am interested in the details.

3. I would love to hear about any techniques that begin from a point of seeing energy and evolve into a provable energy experience. (I’ll probably have to make something up then try it, but I’d love some input)

4. I would appreciate any and all replies and input, and thank anyone in advance for reading this entire rambling (yet focused) post.

[SetSnonejog]

Surely you must have read Carlos Castaneda's books right? Because what you described is exactly how he describes the energy body, and those books are ALL ABOUT manipulating that energy.

That bright glow of awareness is located somewhere behind the right shoulder blade, right?

Don't get me going! Just say that you've read them, otherwise drop everything you're doing and pick them up.

I only managed to see energy once, but it happened at a bad time, in the middle of a concert, surrounded by people.

[sam]

hi ryan. i will do my best to answer your questions.

1. I am looking for ways to manipulate energy that is seen with astral sight and channel it into having an obe, to prove that the energy I see is a real and functional part of existence.

so basically what you want to do, is prove to yourself that what you are seeing is real and not just a figment of your imagination. i am not certain wether you will be able to manipulate this energy for OBE's, however you can indeed manipulate energy. i dont recommend you start messing with peoples auras though, as that would just be energy vampirism. if you want to experience the energy i suggest you try some form of healing. when you heal you channel energy, so when you feel it go through your body it might strengthen your trust in what you are experiencing.

2. I am curious if anyone sees energies and auras in a fashion similar to what I have described, and am interested in the details.

i too see the white glow around people/plants/objects, this is the etheric body. i have seen colours too in the right light conditions. usually dim light with a plain background is best. i have seen tornado shaped energy vortexes coming out from someones crown chakra and balls of energy around peoples heads. i am still developing my auric sight, but this is something everyone can learn how to do, and many people see this, so you are definetily not imagining it.

3. I would love to hear about any techniques that begin from a point of seeing energy and evolve into a provable energy experience. (I’ll probably have to make something up then try it, but I’d love some input)

again, healing comes to mind, although this doesnt require seeing the energy, and im sure others will give you more suitable examples.. nevertheless, healing would be a provable energy experience. you can get attuned to reiki for example and channel the energy. i suppose you could use this for your obes, but reiki is not manipulatable in the sense that it just flows where it is needed, you cant tell it what to do. it is a great practice in 'letting go'. if you want to know more about this, or how it works, just let me know.

i hope this helps a bit.

[+++Poguru+++]

Dear Ryan: I used to see auras, not with as much details as you do, but I did see the whitish auras around people. When I connected to someone, depending on the connection I would see their aura glow brighter and get bigger in size and brightness. If the connection was deep, it could also be almost blinding. When I got to a certain age I lost the ability (or rather it attenuated) and now I only see them in exceptional circumstances.
I am a spontaneous projector, have been projecting all my life, but since I did the MAP program and learned NEW my projections have increased in frequency. I do believe that it's due to my daily energy practice.
I'm not sure if this is a valid answer to the question about channeling your energy to OBE, but energy raising has been the most effective technique for OBE that I have found (the full-body circuit, and also the body-bounce awareness exercise.) I don't really consider this channeling energy to OBE (or maybe it is) but it has helped me to gauge the type of projection I am going to attempt when I get to the exit sensation stage.
If this is not what you are looking for, that's fine-if you want more info about this I'll be glad to add to it.

[Les Allen]

Surely you must have read Carlos Castaneda's books right? Because what you described is exactly how he describes the energy body, and those books are ALL ABOUT manipulating that energy.

Yes actually I have read them. That’s part of the reason my whole belief system has fallen apart, yet I can’t seem to escape it either, it’s got me all mixed up. That’s one of the big reasons I’m trying to start fresh, from a view of seeing energy, and rebuild my own beliefs, with my own descriptions and understandings of what’s what. I am starting from that point because I can do that at will. And yet.... I see what I see, and it is so similar to that view that perhaps I will never be able to get away from it. Perhaps I’m permanently, energetically, biased.

That bright glow of awareness is located somewhere behind the right shoulder blade, right?

Yes I have seen anything from an intense dot, dime sized glow to a larger softball sized sphere of energy, and it is usually up high near the back of the head or behind it somewhere, and “feels” to be directly linked to that persons intimate thoughts and perceptions. In fact if I look for it I can see it at will. But maybe I’m only seeing all this because I look for it.

I only managed to see energy once, but it happened at a bad time, in the middle of a concert, surrounded by people.

Also, I did learn to see energy solely through the techniques scattered through Castaneda books.

Thanks for your thoughts.

so basically what you want to do, is prove to yourself that what you are seeing is real and not just a figment of your imagination. i am not certain wether you will be able to manipulate this energy for OBE's, however you can indeed manipulate energy. i dont recommend you start messing with peoples auras though, as that would just be energy vampirism. if you want to experience the energy i suggest you try some form of healing. when you heal you channel energy, so when you feel it go through your body it might strengthen your trust in what you are experiencing.

Yes that is basically what I want to do, mostly because I find myself in a state of skepticism that undermines my intentions. I don’t feel any kind of a need to manipulate anyone’s auras for any kind of personal gain. I am intrigued with healing, and loved Barbara Brennen’s first book. (I have not read the second) I could move the bluish white energies from fingertip to fingertip. That’s about it though. I don’t really know how to heal and wouldn’t know where to begin.

i too see the white glow around people/plants/objects, this is the etheric body. i have seen colours too in the right light conditions. usually dim light with a plain background is best. i have seen tornado shaped energy vortexes coming out from someones crown chakra and balls of energy around peoples heads. i am still developing my auric sight, but this is something everyone can learn how to do, and many people see this, so you are definetily not imagining it.


again, healing comes to mind, although this doesnt require seeing the energy, and im sure others will give you more suitable examples.. nevertheless, healing would be a provable energy experience. you can get attuned to reiki for example and channel the energy. i suppose you could use this for your obes, but reiki is not manipulatable in the sense that it just flows where it is needed, you cant tell it what to do. it is a great practice in 'letting go'. if you want to know more about this, or how it works, just let me know.

i hope this helps a bit.

I do find similarities in what you describe, including vortexes I have seen from time to time. True, the fact that many people report seeing auras lends credibility to the whole concept of energy and the energy body. Thank you for putting your experience out there for me to examine. I also am aware that there is much on this Website that relates to my experience, and am reading through it all when I can. I would love to hear more about Reiki, to understand what it is the energy does and how it is channeled/focused. Thanks you for your input, as well.

I'm not sure if this is a valid answer to the question about channeling your energy to OBE, but energy raising has been the most effective technique for OBE that I have found (the full-body circuit, and also the body-bounce awareness exercise.) I don't really consider this channeling energy to OBE (or maybe it is) but it has helped me to gauge the type of projection I am going to attempt when I get to the exit sensation stage.
If this is not what you are looking for, that's fine-if you want more info about this I'll be glad to add to it.

CFTraveler, this indeed could be a valid and simple answer to my question. I would love more information; I am curious what I would be looking for if I were to see the whole separation process from an intricate view of energies. So in essence one way to describe what I’m trying to do is map out the process of separation as it would be if it were seen energetically, so I can recreate it energetically from the stand point of seeing energy. This would tie my belief of seeing energies into the obe experience. Come to think of it, I would love to gaze at ones aura while they were having a projection. Any volunteers? Lol
Thank you for you time and feed back.

[Les Allen]

Just wanted to kind of close this topic, I have realized, during the process of evaluating my belief system, that I was just going in circles , so to speak.
I have gone back to the only thing that has ever worked for me, and that is the view of the Toltec lineage.
It is sort of open ended, organize your interpretations , then let them go and let go of the mind. The abstract goal of "total freedom" enhancement of perception and awareness to it's fullest potential, whatever that potential is for each individual, is the only thing that seems to make sense for me.
Killing the structure of self importance to free energy, developng the energy body through dreaming practices, and changing ones perspective through stalking exercises, all of that stuff ;I could go on and on , but I won't bore you guys.
Getting back into this has got my energy moving again, started having out of body experiences again.
I know that perhaps I am trapped by my interpretation system, but the end goal is dropping that system, if only at certain moments, to glimpse the face of energy and astral realms.
So thank you all for your feedback.
I know this post is sort of scatter-brained, but I am resisting the impulse here to outline everything in excrutiating detail.

Dream on, dreamers!

[adactthrd]

Yeah its real. Doubt about its authenticity is probably not the primary problem here. Even we are all wrong and it is all in your head, so what? Imagination is a valid experience too.

You might look into what your fear is (what the skeptics actually manage to convince you of). I'm guessing its not actually about whether or not its real. Trying to 'logic' your way past a fear seldom works.

[Les Allen]

Good advice. I will give it some thought. Knowing exactly what the fear was should help me get to the core of it, in case it comes up again. Thanks.

[SetSnonejog]

I think I've found some texts thay may address your problem Ryan. WHile doing a search on "thought forms" I came across a fantastic site on Theosophy. Had no idea what theosophy was before yesterday.

http://www.anandgholap.net/

If that doesnt help restructure your beleifs, I don't know what will.

[Les Allen]

Fantastic, that is good stuff. Thank you.