[dmoiknlasd]

From AP as posted by AndrewTheSinger . A great post & good for us here too ! Enjoy !
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This is a questionnaire to help put together some of the most interesting achievements people had with Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming. Anyone is free and very welcome to answer the questions, though the aim is to provide data received through direct experience.

Thanks I think this is very interesting and I took a liberty to copy it giving AP and AndrewTheSinger credit
to other forums . Well Done AndrewTheSinger !


1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?
a:
1.1-If so, describe the place:
what're they like:

what've you learned:

2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?
a:
3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?
a:
4 - Describe 3 things/creatures that you saw there, but never saw here:

5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?
a:

5.1 - Have you read words you haven't seen here before?
a:
6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there?

7 - Ever received a solution to a problem?
a:
8 - Describe the most amazing thing you saw:

9 - Describe the most amazing thing you did:

10 - Describe your most amazing validation:

11 - Ever had your astral body malformed or defective? What was it like?
a:no
12 - Describe the 3 strangest sentences you heard:

13 - Describe 3 things that you still want to try in the astral:

14 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?
a:
15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about it's existence?
a:
16 - Ever been lectured on the process of Creation?
a:



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Please, copy and paste the questions followed by your answers. It's not necessary to answer all the questions, but try your best. smiley Also, you don't have to describe 3 things if you can only remember one. I will answer them too, looking forward to hearing from you all!

[dmoiknlasd]

1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?
a:yes
1.1-If so, describe the place:in circle , Shamballah , ashrams , Sheol /hels
what're they like:angels , archdemons , mahatma , avatars , dragon angels , elementals
what've you learned:healing,transmutation,hermetic magick,alchemy, cosmology
2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?
a:There are diverse sentient beings but they do not live in our local universe at least not within our dimension . I have seen them in ashrams and at the museum of the worlds and in circle , etc.
3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?
a:Meeting Christ , Buddha , Mary /Isis was astonishing . Meeting with Samael in hels and learning that Archdemons are obedient to the Godhead and serve a divine purpose and that only lower level demons are evil and predatious by nature attacking opportunistically . After learning this in spirit , I researched and learned that the Jewish take on Satan was different than the Christian take and that the Jewish understanding was correct . Satan is a term meaning the chief prosecutor the accuser . Lucifer is a term meaning the light bringer . Christ in the Bible says he is the Lucifer . All of these are puzzling factors but seeing Samael with Christ and the principle archangels , I learned that there is a divine plan and that more is right with the universe than I had believed .
4 - Describe 3 things/creatures that you saw there, but never saw here:
*faeries , mermaids , leprauchauns
*dragons
*Chaos elementals
5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?
a:I don't read well in spirit maybe 5 or 6 words tops . But I was impressed with a peer in circle who was a local male aged 19yo who knew no Latin and read a stained glass window in a spirit realm to me . The phrase was about 10 words long and was the entire sentence . I do know Latin and I was amazed because it was apt . It was basically ;The light is conscious take the light within you and be with God .

5.1 - Have you read words you haven't seen here before?
a:yes as above
6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there?
a:yes , in circle we learned to manifest an ashram and took people there in projection and they were able to confirm what we manifested to us without prior knowledge .
7 - Ever received a solution to a problem?
a:yes , advice on many trials and tribulations
8 - Describe the most amazing thing you saw:
The Face of Christ so clear .We often see him but we are de-sensitised because it is an image like a grainy movie unclear fuzzy and difficult to make out clearly . One day he appeared so clearly in colour in circle with eyes opened . That does not happen much with any spirit we see , we usually have the room dim and our physical eyes closed and look thru the third eye . On this special occasion he appeared wearing a crown of thorns and bleeding . His skin was porous . We could see him like a hologram in full size and full colour . Then he split self and came head and shoulders only in front of each of us . My youngest daughter was in circle 16 yo at that time . He said a different message at the same time speaking to each of us . We could hear each other's messages too . He said to Debbie . " Must I be crucified again ?" Debbie innocently cried "no give me your crown of thorns, Lord " and she reached out and took this image and put it on her head . No eye was dry . Even the grown and seasoned old men in the group cried .
9 - Describe the most amazing thing you did:
*The first time my peers and I projected on a group merkabah and went to the Golden Chamber of Melchiezedek and saw each other standing in projection there . This ties with ;
* Going on my first exorcism and seeing friendly spirit with eyes opened and feeling like I was floating as I moved and seeing the angels so very clearly . I felt as if I was in a movie, the colour was so clear but surreal . I was only an observer watching an expert then .
10 - Describe your most amazing validation:
Remote viewing to Poland where I have never been in this life or another as far as I can tell . An online mate came here to Australia and I went there .We saw each other's homes and confirmed or denied the findings . Fantastic hits !
11 - Ever had your astral body malformed or defective? What was it like?
a:no
12 - Describe the 3 strangest sentences you heard:
* How will you explain the blood on your coat to your mother ?
I heard this as I was pulling my mum's coat from the closet with her permission to borrow it . Then a vision came and I saw self at a car accident . I wanted to stay home but my mum had a vision and told me to hurry I had to go save a life . We did . We heard a crash that night and arrived to see the vision played out and saved a boy from bleeding to death and held his hand because his father had passed in the accident and he was alone and distraught .

* "Bite him and run "An escaped pedophile who had been incarcerated for repeat rape and murder of children targeted me . I was clueless and innocent at 8 years old . He pulled out his penis and told me to kiss it . I honestly thought it was a space gun . I know that is stupid . But I was frightened terribly and I heard "Bite him and run " as the pervert grabbed my neck choking me trying to make me kiss it . He did not hurt me or penetrate me although he gave me nightmares for years to come . I bared my teeth and went for it and he let go . The voice screamed "run run run "and I got away .

* "Get on this bus now " I heard clearly as I was leaving work and I did not want to obey , I was tired and that bus was going in the wrong direction in heavy traffic . I reluctantly listened . Then as normal ,sadly for me I looked up into the empty sky seeing no one and said in my mind " now what " as sarcastically and nasty as any child ever could . I always immediately chastise myself . But the mind cannot be censored , spirit hears what we think we can't just shut up and not say it . I got no answer and pouted up . This lowers the vibration considerably . Finally I tranced and gave in asking to be shown .

I saw the hospital was the next stop and heard "get off here" . I did not want to be in the city alone at dark in the rain . But I obeyed. Then I recalled a lady from my other job on campus was going into the city for an operation . So I asked if it was to see Mrs. Suit. I got confirmation and went to visit .

As I was ready to go in the room the voice said " her husband is dead " and "tell her gently ". I could not obey this lady was so old , I could make her have a stroke . I prayed . Then the phone rang and she got the news . I felt awful . So I told her I was there because God wanted her not to be alone when it happened and her daughter was coming to take us to say goodbye . I did not know that until I said it but the daughter showed up .

The nurse said she could not be discharged . An angel appeared and said "speak to the lady in pink" . I went to the nurse wearing a pink blouse and she quickly gave us an emergency discharge and unhooked the IV . I drove with the family to see the body in another hospital local to her hometown . I felt blessed to be in the right place at the right time to help .

* I was a new driver then only 17 years old and it was dark and raining horribly . I was so scared . Suddenly a man came out of nowhere walking on the highway . I nearly killed him . I was sacred and pulled over but locked the door thinking I did not want him to run to my car and get in .

The voice said . "Go back and help " . This was hard to obey . I decided to keep driving and put the car in gear to leave the area quickly . I heard the message repeated . I said "no I can't turn around here on the highway there is no space ". I got miles down the road and saw a turn around and was told with a stern voice this time , "go back and help" . So I did .

As I approached that area the thunderstorm was letting up . There was the man I was so terrified to help . He had Downs Syndrome and he was crying . I rolled down the window and asked him if he needed help . He sobbed , " Mommy" . I got a vision of an older woman standing outside crying calling his name and I asked him if that was his name . He nodded .

I asked him where mommy was . He could not talk well . He pointed to the road . I drove up and down that road seeing no one and thought I would take him to the police station . But then as I turned off the exit I saw a bowling alley like the vision and heard a woman calling his name . I was very grateful to have listened and ashamed to have had to have been told repeatedly .

13 - Describe 3 things that you still want to try in the astral:
nada , the astral does not interest me as much , I get my kicks above the astral line in the higher planes .
14 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?
a:The cosmology of the realms , sentient beings in far distant galaxies, cosmology of the human spirit ...
15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about it's existence?
a:The pillar of Godhead at the Gates of Death has images of human faces and avatars of both genders and every race . Above this is the non corporal light that is Godhead .
16 - Ever been lectured on the process of Creation?
a:Not yet ....

[FreeOEMcheapestPHOTOSHOP]

How interesting

1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?
a: yes
1.1-If so, describe the place: let's see... usually in a place I call "Court". a circular floor with very tall pillars all around (looking out to starry space) holding up a huge dome overhead.

what're they like: most are a bit reserved at first, but usually are kind and gentle

what've you learned: making protective shields, psychic defense things, self love

2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?
a: nothing so far

3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?
a: most happenings center around non-verbal conversation. a look from Anubis that said he was there in a protective role, an expression on the face of a being I call "The Mother" which was the equivalent of loving me and telling me I was a "dear child."

My most often asked question is "How can I heal him/her?" or *blush* "May I take his/her place?" (I've been told I'm a bit self-sacrificing).

My most interesting conversation would have to have been with the mother when I asked why I'm here in the first place, why I exist. She responded that I exist because I am supposed to exist. I thought it was funny

I'm not surprised that most of my astral experiences are silent and rely on body language and facial expression. For as long as I've been aware, I have been completely deaf and mute in all my dreams up until recently when I have about one or two dreams a year in which I can either hear or speak.

4 - Describe 3 things/creatures that you saw there, but never saw here: hmm. I've seen a few dragons, but that was a long time ago.

5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?
a: like Aunt Clair, I don't read well in spirit. It's quite difficult for me. I've read sentences off letters here and there. Mostly about other people in my life.

5.1 - Have you read words you haven't seen here before?
a:

6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there?

7 - Ever received a solution to a problem?
a: Mostly in healing matters

8 - Describe the most amazing thing you saw: The astral forms of those I love. So clear, amazing, and showing their true beauty and strength.

9 - Describe the most amazing thing you did: Me? You'd have to ask others... I guess reaching out and connecting others (and myself) with no thought to thousands of miles between us.

10 - Describe your most amazing validation: I'm not sure about amazing, but the funniest was giving someone crap about how dirty his kitchen floor was (is). I was in Wisconsin at the time and he in Australia. I could clearly see the dirty corners and such. Otherwise, catching someone who has been stalking me around the internet three times just by the "feel" of that person's words.

11 - Ever had your astral body malformed or defective? What was it like?
a: not sure, but I have had darkness or "the dark" influence me and thus I appeared differently in coloring.

12 - Describe the 3 strangest sentences you heard: nothing pops to mind at this moment...

13 - Describe 3 things that you still want to try in the astral:

1.) get over my sometimes inability to talk or hear

2.) meeting more higher beings

3.) honestly...sex. I just... would.

14 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?
a:

15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about it's existence?
a:

16 - Ever been lectured on the process of Creation?
a: nope

[Les Allen]

This questionnaire looked too interesting to pass up. Hope I don’t get caught typing it up during work hours.


1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?
I guess that’s one possible explanation.

1.1-If so, describe the place:
Various lucid dream scenes and/or real-time zones.

What’re they like:
The ones that hang around that I have attempted to communicate with often change forms, as if sifting through dream characters like changing clothes. The one thing I have mostly noted is that when they are around the dream scene achieves a strange sort of stability, as if I weren’t the only one keeping it in focus.

What’ve you learned?
I am not sure I learned much from this, I believe my whole goal was to learn if they really existed or not. Given the role and effects of expectation in the dream environment, I never really validated their existence to my satisfaction.

2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?
A: Nothing, specifically. I’ve had a dream or two where I was in orbit around some planet or another, held in place like glue from its gigantic presence. On these occasions I felt more as if the planets themselves were sentient.

3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?
A: The most interesting communication I’d have to say was a non-verbal between a great black panther and I. I actually learned to become one in a projection, it taught me how to run and breathe.

4 - Describe 3 things/creatures that you saw there, but never saw here:
Not sure where “there” implies in this question, but I’ll list some weird things I’ve seen
1. I once saw an egg shaped glowing globe covered in an octagonal grid like pattern.
2. Myself, old and dying, laying in the bed I just projected from.
3. An infinite plane of red and black checkers, like an infinite chessboard.

5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?
A: I have been able to read, and on several occasions, actually wrote down what I read. Off the top of my head without going through my own notes, I can’t remember any of it except that that it usually had something to do with awareness and perception.

5.1 - Have you read words you haven't seen here before?
A: That’s hard to say considering that words can be arranged and rearranged to form multitudes of meaning. It has always been in my language.

6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there?
I’ve learned lots of things while awake to try while lucid dreaming or projecting.

7 - Ever received a solution to a problem?
A: Not that I recall, though often I will dream (normal dream) about working out things I thought would be difficult, and the next day when I’m actually doing it, it didn’t seem so difficult.

8 - Describe the most amazing thing you saw:
The most amazing thing I ever saw was a place I call the world of worlds, where I was able to gaze out into the stars and see, and sift through, perceptions of different planets. They actually loomed in close on the horizon when focused on, and then receded when a different one was called into view.

9 - Describe the most amazing thing you did:
The most amazing thing I ever did was when, during an episode of dream paralysis, my awareness split into a million pieces, and I was minimally aware of each piece as part of my individuality. Each had a separate perception of reality and was engaged in activity. Each piece, prior to that moment, was unaware of the whole.

10 - Describe your most amazing validation:
The only validation I ever had was when I floated to my front room to see my cousin on the couch. I woke up immediately and he was laying in a position similar enough to what I dreamed to make me scratch my head in amazement.

11 - Ever had your astral body malformed or defective? What was it like?
A: Yes, I have become a panther, as well as a dog. On several other occasions, I was a ball of awareness that moved around by running with my hands.

12 - Describe the 3 strangest sentences you heard:
Again… Where did I put my notes?
Oh I just remembered one.
“Your dead, Ryan.”


13 - Describe 3 things that you still want to try in the astral:
Become an energy form that has no dream body.
Go through a black hole.
Have an “entity” take me to perceive its world.

14 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?
A: The scope of the universe is apparently infinite, the perceptually possibilities are apparently unlimited, and the mystery of existence may never be unraveled.

15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about its existence?
A: If there is a god it would have to be an unlimited source of awareness and energy, as the underlying source of the universe seems to be.

16 - Ever been lectured on the process of Creation?
A: Never

[+++Poguru+++]

Reprinted with Andrew's permission:
1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?
a: Maybe. When I was young I was 'helped' in my travels. The 'guides' had knowledge of what I was doing, I knew nothing.

1.1 - If so, describe the place: At home in the RTZ, to help me go somewhere else.
what were they like:'Glowing female entities'.
what have you learned from them: I learned how to go to another realm, when I found certain points in space. Once I found them, I had to fly in at a certain angle, and I would end up somewhere else. If I just flew through, I just kept going to the 'regular' other side. It wasn't easy and it took a bit of practice to get it.


2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?
a: Nothing. I have gone to realms that were 'alienish' but I don't think they were 'other planets', properly speaking. I have gone to outer space, but when I picked a place to fly to, I ended up in earthlike areas.

3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?
a: It wasn't a conversation at all. I was taught how to feel shapes with waves. It was a sublime experience.

4 - Describe 3 things/creatures that you saw there, but never saw here: Well, there were the flying squids, in outer space. (No, really.) That's it. Just one. But there was fire coming out of his butt. I have it in my journal, if you want to check.

5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?a: I was given 3 names to remember: Hyparion, Gilmarion, and Polymarchon. They're probably made up, but I'm reading Hyperion just in case. It's close enough.

5.1 - Have you read words you haven't seen here before?a: Well, the previous one just about covers it.

6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there?a: For a while I was dreaming about the uses for Astral sight. In my dreams, I was supposed to get to the 'seeing through eyelids' trance, and then I could do pk and levitate. Of course I was dreaming, so that's kind of silly. But it seemed that I dreamed a lot of doing psi tricks with the astral sight.

7 - Ever received a solution to a problem?a:Yes. Years ago, I worked in electronics. If there was something seemingly unfixable, I'd go home, ask for a solution, and get a dream that usually fixed it. It worked about 90% of the time.

8 - Describe the most amazing thing you saw: I didn't 'see' it- I felt colors and shapes. It was amazing.


9 - Describe the most amazing thing you did: I've only done one thing that was amazing to me, and it was leave earth's orbit. It doesn't seem that amazing in retrospect, though.


10 - Describe your most amazing validation: My husband (newly married then) went to work, and I was home sick from work. So I'm laying there taking a nap, when I fly to where he worked (I had never been there before). I saw what he was doing with these little metal balls, and he had tweezers and he was messing with them. I flew back, found that to be very weird, so I called him. He told me that his dad used to be a locksmith, so he was changing the locks for his boss' office. He was selecting these little metal pins to go on the cylinders. It wasn't his job, and I didn't know about his dad's former career or his tools. It was such a specific thing that I knew then it was no dream.


11 - Ever had your astral body malformed or defective? What was it like?
a: No.

13 - Describe the 3 strangest sentences you heard: -It was" Pop critters"
"Cleaning giant"
and then a bit later,
"Super Jiff". (Maybe I watch too much TV)

14 - Describe 3 things that you still want to try in the astral: I want to have a meaningful conversation with someone and remember it completely. I'd like to meet my higher self. I'd like to speak to an angel and know it's an angel, no doubt about it.


12 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?
a: Nothing really.

15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about it's existence?a: I had a vision of talking to God and it wasn't how I would have expected.

16 - Ever been lectured on the process of Creation?
a:Endlessly.

[prehighaltitudesjj]

1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?
a: A month ago I would have said no, however recently becoming aware of the concept of phasing, some early experiences I had which I always thought of as visions may have in fact taken place in the astral.

1.1-If so, describe the place:
Once a marble garden filled with fountains and statues, another time on a bridge I used to like to go to to feel at peace. Another time at a sort of small stone labyrinth called a "reality generator"

what're they like:
Each encounter was different but it felt like encountering something that was more "real" than me. Maybe that was from their vibration frequency? Whatever it was, it was hard to take and left me a little in awe.

what've you learned:
To be more forgiving and self forgiving. To love more. To not be afraid.

2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?
a: Nothing

3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?
a: I don't remember having any long conversations but one of my early experiences was with a group of beings dressed in white togas, they had solid black eyes which freaked me out a little. One of them took me aside and told me, "Always remember, sometimes to dance." He then danced with me in a sort of waltz.

4 - Describe 3 things/creatures that you saw there, but never saw here:
A giant sea turtle,
A face of a man made out of autumn leaves
People with solid black eyes

5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?
a: I don't remember reading anything

5.1 - Have you read words you haven't seen here before?
a: I don't recall

6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there?
In an actual obe to the rtz, I learned that if I look in a mirror I see this beautiful idealized version of myself. Possibly this was my higher self.

7 - Ever received a solution to a problem?
a: Just in the sense of satisfying my questions about there being more to us than just our physical bodies.

8 - Describe the most amazing thing you saw:
I saw a tree. I saw it move through all the seasons: first bare branches, then green buds, then leaves, then autumn colors , the leaves turning lighter and finally the shedding of the leaves and becoming bare branches again. This repeated faster and faster until at a high speed it began to look like fire. The leaves, flames turning to ashes and falling to the floor as the tree grew bigger with each burst.
Witnessing this was a lot more amazing than my description of it. I came away from this experience deeply touched. I'm still thinking about this experience years later to learn what it has to teach me.

9 - Describe the most amazing thing you did:
Flying

10 - Describe your most amazing validation:
Still working on this. I feel satisfied enough that what I experienced was real that I haven't persued trying to prove it too much.

11 - Ever had your astral body malformed or defective? What was it like?
a:no

12 - Describe the 3 strangest sentences you heard:
"One in every million, we're sorry."
"Now?" "No, not now, she's not ready yet."
"Baby Blue"


13 - Describe 3 things that you still want to try in the astral:
Contact my guides, learn some magick, see my past or future or parallel lives.

14 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?
a:There's more to it than I used to believe and that's pretty interesting to me.

15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about it's existence?
a: Just the fact that if we have a spirit or astral body, then its not such a stretch to believe in a non-physical being as it once was for me.

16 - Ever been lectured on the process of Creation?
a: no

[MasTaBlau]

- Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?
a: yes
1.1-If so, describe the place; what're they like:
She was dressed in black slacks and a cashmere sweater, with a barrister’s collar, red and of a modern design. I met her in “Monte Carlo” in a luxurious resort. I didn’t notice during the dream, but when I recalled her she didn’t have pupils, just very large white orbs and her mouth was different, very wide but she was beautiful; moreso than any human could be. I felt she had known me all my immortal lives and the divine love she passed to me was life-changing.
what've you learned: that I’m on the ‘anvil’; forces are at work and I will emerge from my difficulties.

2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?
My inclination is there is not intelligent life on other planets. We’re it. Still, there are spheres of intelligent and evolving life and beings– other worlds, all the same.
3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?
Years ago I carried on a question and answer writing with Lucifer. Like you indicated; not such a bad guy – nothing like the Devil of Christianity. More to pitied than anything else.
4 - Describe 3 things/creatures that you saw there, but never saw here:
You can see a snake here, but you can’t see one as big as I saw; and as creepily beautiful and exciting.
I’ve seen some weird sexual anomalies on ‘humans’. ??
Just recently I met a couple of leprachans. (I’ve been trying to find elves for the past 5-6 weeks). They were having a dispute about a hunk of flesh. I got their names, or so I said to myself, but I didn’t write them down. (I’m lazy like that). Anyway, good riddence.

5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?
Reading is still out of my reach, although I’ve tried fairly often.
5.1 - Have you read words you haven't seen here before?
a:
6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there? No fear.
7 - Ever received a solution to a problem?
a: inspiration for music to write, and for a composer, that’s always a problem – what to write.
8 - Describe the most amazing thing you saw:
a: I’m guessing it was a portal to the rainbow world, didn’t get through it, but is was beautiful.
9 - Describe the most amazing thing you did:
a: fended off a ‘demon’, one of a large group, with a knife at my stomach. What a jerk.
10 - Describe your most amazing validation:
a: the first mentioned ‘higher-evolved’ person was, in the end, pregnant, I guess with a new ‘me’.
11 - Ever had your astral body malformed or defective? What was it like?
a:no, never really aware of my astral body
12 - Describe the 3 strangest sentences you heard: “polygon of forces”

13 - Describe 3 things that you still want to try in the astral: Go where I intend to rather than just where I end up. Project to the Mental.

14 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?
a: That would take a long, long time to explain, but above all, it makes sense.
15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about it's existence?
a: randomness is an illusion.
16 - Ever been lectured on the process of Creation?
WHAT Creation? Did I miss something?