[giDdfezP]

I was out of body when I came under intense emotional pain, and had to dive back into body so as not to feel it. This is about third time this has happened.

Did I incarnate into a human body to escape pain?

Is the key to escaping human incarnation to resolve our emotional pain?

[adactthrd]

Consider a couple of other possibilities:

-you have a previous bad experience with being out of body but don't remember it, a similar experience brings back those memories

-being out of body is in conflict with your some of your internal beliefs and is causing internal conflict

-being in body is the cause of the pain, and being out of body allows you to fully experience the impact

[giDdfezP]

The body is like a big filter. All sorts of things are much more clear and vivid when out of body. Emotions, thoughts, and desires. Being inside a body turns down the volume on all sorts of things.

There is this myth/assumption that leaving the body means being in a state of peace and freedom. I think this is because people associate leaving the body with Death. And Death with being in Heaven.

I have an overwhelming amount of grief that I just can't tap into while in my body. Out of my body, there it is. Similar to a terror in the thresh-hold or dweller on the thresh-hold. I was just desperate to get back into my body, to turn it down five or six notches to where it is at least tolerable.

Let this be a warning to any potential suicides. Leaving your body behind doesn't mean leaving your pain behind. It's still there. Only far more clear and overwhelming.

This does lead to the implication that once we resolve our pain and fear we will no longer need a physical body. The body is only temporary housing so the soul can work out it's problems.

[Snitiendumurn]

You probably weren't experiencing your astral body but your emotional body.


If you believe your trapped once out of the body you are trapped

Have you tried ditching the lower dimension to a higher dimension. So you can Naterlize the flooded negative mixed with positive emotions?

[+++Poguru+++]

You probably weren't experiencing your astral body but your emotional body.


If you believe your trapped once out of the body you are trapped

Have you tried ditching the lower dimension to a higher dimension. So you can Naterlize the flooded negative mixed with positive emotions?

This is really good advice. Have you tried, once you're out and in pain, to launch yourself (really fast) until you go through walls, and then keep going until you feel yourself somewhere else? This may be what you need to do to transcend that plane, and get into a more 'sublime' state.

[giDdfezP]

I'm just not dealing well with my bf's suicide. I leave body and I feel so overwhelmingly alone. We were both alone, but we were alone together. Now I'm alone by myself.

Not sure what you mean exactly by "emotional body." Bruce speaks of getting different kinds of astral feedback, one of them being emotional feedback. Is that what you're talking about?

I was thinking of shifting into my higher self/higher consciousness. Maybe that would help me get a handle on things and make sense of it.

If I keep running from it it won't go away.

Maybe I just need to go find him. Where ever suicides go.

[Snitiendumurn]

I know what your talking about the alone feeling.

We are only aloud to have 1 lover in this culture.

I had a dream last night.

Someone had a boyfriend and the lady I liked had attraction to me.

And I said do you hate me?

She said no why?

Because you can't express your love to me otherwise your boyfriend will be angry. Hateful = hate

And when your boyfriends angry your angry.

[Snitiendumurn]

If your in a lonely place you should go hunt for a good place full of positive fun loving people. That will brighten up atmosphere and brighten up the mood. I know this is hard to change because we expect to be alone so we are alone.

And of course nobody wonts to travel away from home to a new home.

A technique of a bad occult programming is to separate us from the others.

This separation makes us dependent on the mini circle of friends.

When people travel allot in the physical they program themselves in spirit to travel in the astral realm.

So travel = Freedom
Not going anywhere for long time = Trapped

If you stuck in one place you are stuck in one place in the astral.

A good god dam example is...
Tourists.
They act just like astral travellers. They absorb everything they see.

But this hindering belief can be changed.

Comparing me from you.

I am just the same. Pretty much. I live a simple life on the computer. Call me low life please.

[Snitiendumurn]

Not sure what you mean exactly by "emotional body." Bruce speaks of getting different kinds of astral feedback, one of them being emotional feedback. Is that what you're talking about? Robert Bruce doesn't explain each properties of each body because it's already written elsewhere.

No point copying something that already exist.

To some this is not valid information because they haven't experienced it from first hand experience to support the esoteric teachings of the fuctions of each bodies.

[noingenah]

I'm no expert and don't AP consciously, so take whatever I say for what it's worth... but this thread did bring some things to mind. So.

It has come to light for me recently that I've had major tendencies to insulate myself against being able to feel a lot of things emotionally over the years, and now I'm working through the process of taking down those blocks, fully experiencing these things, and letting them run their course and ultimately resolve. Yet I've had a whole lot of dreams where I feel and act in ways that are completely out of character for me -- strong emotional outbursts and things of that nature that aren't like me IRL; gutteral reactions that can carry over and set the mood for the whole rest of the day. There are many AP accounts of similar things too; emotions can run high and inhibitions go out the window. My theory is that maybe some of us erect these blocks and insulation to sort of quarantine things we can't or don't want to confront directly and fully all at once -- and maybe those blocks are somehow based in the physical body/mind, and thus left behind on entering the astral or in the dream state. So you AP, and are hit with it all full force, absent any protection that you've built up for yourself in order to cope at the time of the original event.

More to say but I'm thinking it might be better if I PM ya, so heads up.

[giDdfezP]

I understand a lot of people are concerned for my safety.

I have tried asking if he is okay, if someone is taking care of him, if he needs me to come get him.

I'm not hearing anything back. So I have to go find him. If it's possible.

Suppose he is trapped in some self created misery? I can't leave him there. It isn't his fault.

I know why he had the problems with depression. He told me his secret. Something that happened to him when he was a boy. It breaks my heart.

I know what I may be walking into.

He tried to keep things from me, because he thought I would leave him. So, one time, I made him show me everything he was holding back. And I'm not going to lie, it scared the sh*t out of me. I was totally unprepared for what I saw.

But I didn't abandon him then. And I can't do it now. It's not an option. I don't understand how you can ask me.

I've never attempted a soul retrieval before. I'm not even sure I believe they can be done. But if I don't do this for him, who will? I could be his only hope.

Right now, if that's what it takes, I'm prepaired to take a flaming sword in hand and charge hell.

[Tuqofiw]

In my first reply in the other thread I did not realize he was your boyfriend. I hope with all my heart that you understand you were a huge help to him. I hope so much that you know that the love you gave was priceless.

Often we feel alone because we do not feel accepted. You would have helped him so much with this. But there is another aspect that is very hard to counter. People really do beat themselves up with their habitual thoughts. We put chains on ourselves with our thoughts. That is why it is so important to drag up negative thinking and prove it wrong and know...really know...that we have the power to create who we are. It is not easy but it is the great transformation in our relationship with ourselves and all else. So often we focus on what we wish we were not instead of focusing on what we want to be. There is one thing about the other side....it responds to thought and feeling incredibly rapidly. If you can help him understand that he can create a whole different reality...that he can become what he has always wanted to be through his thoughts it might be a way. Only you will know the best approach though, through your experiences with him. All that can be offered are ideas that hopefully with help.

I think you will be able to connect to him easily but again, I do hope you create a good back up system [a healer, lots of people to talk with about all this, a nice and caring spiritually aware psychologist even (there are a few out there)] before working heavily on this.

Yes connecting with the higher self is hugely stabilizing but it can leave you with a feeling of emotional detachment. The tricky thing with pain is that it demands be be processed and we often only delay things to a later date. The biggest thing when processing pain is not to add to it with negative thought but to instead see the beauty and good things and learn with all our hearts how to love through the pain, how to love through anything. This creates a mighty heart that is unbelievable. It is the type of heart found in people who know the unfathomable depth of love, the kind of heart Robert developed after tragically losing his son, the kind of heart I see in your words. You have the markings of a truly remarkable person.

Deepest Respects and Wishes to you,
violetsky

[giDdfezP]

Thank you, violetsky, for the kind words.

How do I put this... he was a boy-friend who wanted to be my boyfriend. At times, the lines of the relationship got a little blurry.

[giDdfezP]

Okay, this is the third place I'm posting this but I want everyone to know it's been resolved...well, as resolved as this kind of situation can be anyway.

I did it you guys.

Well, technically I didn't do anything, he did it. But after several days of trying to get through to him, he finally came to me.

He's okay.

He's not trapped anywhere, he's not afraid, he's not in pain.

He actually seemed to be the one conscerned for me.

He's calm. I wouldn't say at peace, but calm. He seemed to be in a dream like state, sort of drifting around.

He has that same low sort of energy, not happy-joy or anything, but he didn't appear to be in any kind of suffering.

He understood that I care. I also came to understand some things.

I am relieved. I feel at rest with this.

[Tuqofiw]

Thank you so much for the update.

Huge Hugs,
violetsky