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I was doing the full-body secondary center circuit from Astral Dynamics yesterday and slowly worked my way into a trance.

I opened my eyes after hearing a noise (it was just a usual house noise, not something other-worldly), and I saw something running on my door. It was a regular-sized spider (about 2 cm in diameter, legs included), but unlike the spiders I usually see, it had a red hue to it.

It ran upwards quite fast (faster than regular spiders), and as it did so, it started to fade away until it just disappeared. It was as if it had dissolved in front of my very eyes.

What I really found odd is that I had my eyes wide open, and I even had to get closer in order to see that it was a spider -- I'm nearsighted, and the spider was blurry too, just like everything else around it.

In other words... The spider was not real. It was a bit like an eyes-wide-open hypnogogic hallucination... But then again... It was blurry like the rest of my physical vision, and I was wide awake. The biggest shock wasn't finding a spider there, it's how it actually faded...

Has anyone had similar experiences? I've seen many "deranging" things in my room with my eyes closed, but this is definitely a first :O

[scewLacysmazy]

Hi kiwibonga,

your experience is not uncommon, in fact it happens to me quite often, most of the time just after the reintegration of my astral body : I open my eyes and I see spiders or centipedes on my wall running quickly all over it. What is worth noticing is that I usually see them as I am in the astral too, and it's only when I make the transition from astral sight to physical sight that they start to fade and eventually disapear. So I do not think that there are hallucinations at all, but real astral fauna. Robert Bruce supports this view too from what I know. There are a very common type of astral entities I guess.

So your experience would have been in my opinion some kind of activation of your astral sight while in deep trance, which overlapped your physical sight a few seconds after you opened your eyes.

[MexicoCity]

I was doing the full-body secondary center circuit from Astral Dynamics yesterday and slowly worked my way into a trance.

I opened my eyes after hearing a noise (it was just a usual house noise, not something other-worldly), and I saw something running on my door. It was a regular-sized spider (about 2 cm in diameter, legs included), but unlike the spiders I usually see, it had a red hue to it.

It ran upwards quite fast (faster than regular spiders), and as it did so, it started to fade away until it just disappeared. It was as if it had dissolved in front of my very eyes.

What I really found odd is that I had my eyes wide open, and I even had to get closer in order to see that it was a spider -- I'm nearsighted, and the spider was blurry too, just like everything else around it.

In other words... The spider was not real. It was a bit like an eyes-wide-open hypnogogic hallucination... But then again... It was blurry like the rest of my physical vision, and I was wide awake. The biggest shock wasn't finding a spider there, it's how it actually faded...

Has anyone had similar experiences? I've seen many "deranging" things in my room with my eyes closed, but this is definitely a first :O

Actually, yes. A few times- sometimes when you wake up whatever you were looking at (hypnagogia or astral sight, however you define it) stays 'on' for a bit until you react emotionally and 'turn it off.' One of the most impressive things for me is how it faded (I never see bugs but do see people occasionally) from bottom to up, like how a tv raster works, but backwards. Eerie, actually. But it has happened so many times that it's no longer scary.

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escogido wrote:
So there's no way to prevent that kind of seeing?Except ofcourse to cut all the practice,yes?[/i] Cutting practice out will not make this go away- it's something that 's happened to me all my life, long before I started any practice. In defense of practice, I believe that practice induces control- and that helps to remove fear. (MO, of course)
I do think that it may have to do with sleep paralysis- I used to get it a lot (and still do, though not as much since I started doing NEW). These are phenomena that may go hand in hand. Do you suffer SP?

[scewLacysmazy]

Actually no, but as said CFTraveller your no more affraid of them with experience.

[Les Allen]

Hi Kiwibonga. This has happened to me on many occassions, usually after waking up, or right after an obe / lucid dream. The one that most sticks out in my memory was when a flat shadow-rat ran across the top of my closet door. I was fully awake, staring at this thing. By the time it got to the end of the wall it simply faded from view, as if it was never there at all. This has happened in other more subtle ways, usually patterns of multii colored lights in geometric shapes, or residual stationary imagery, that fades shortly after waking, but can be seen clearly for a few seconds. The rat running on the wall creeped me out a bit I thought maybe I had been lucid dreaming for so long that I was starting to hallucinate during reality. A little research defined this experience for me as "hypnopompic imagery" which is the opposite of "hypnogogic imagery". I always thought it was a pretty cool effect, and attributed it to an ability to see energy or auras.
In general, I notice that I see way more energy and auras first thing in the morning as well, more defined and detailed energy patterns. This fades about after my first cup of coffee

[noingenah]

I used to have this happen pretty often myself, though not so much, more recently. Spiders are probably the most common. But of the more memorable ones...

--A goat's head floating in the middle of my room. Kind of unnerving to say the least.

--A giant scorpion. Was awake enough to know it "wasn't real" so I put my hand through it to see if anything would happen. No response.

--A giant lotus with a stylized eyeball in the middle, superimposed over my closet door, all in shades of blue. The very next day, a guy at a site where I was a member randomly msged me wanting me to take a look at some of his artwork... one of which featured that same image.

--I have a random childhood memory of an enormous spider with bat wings on a white wall. I'd always passed it off as a dream, false memory or something like that... until I saw another one not all that long ago.

--One time I was exhausted and nodding off in class while a film was on, and when I snapped awake again, there was a guy writing on the board who faded away as I stared at him.

--For a period of a few weeks, every time I'd nod off with a computer or TV in the room, and snap awake again, there would be rows of either text or numbers passing across the screen. Tried to see if I could make out any words, but couldn't; I don't know if that's because it was just random letters, or because I couldn't hold the image long enough.

--On the night of my birthday a few years ago, I was woken up by the voice of a friend I hadn't heard from since shortly after high school going "hey Jon!" and saw what looked like a gift basket of flowers hovering over my bed. I didn't think much of it because I figured that even if she was thinking of me she probably wouldn't remember my bday after all that time. Well, I ended up getting back in touch with her a while back, we went out to dinner, and over the course of the conversation it randomly came out that she did still remember my bday. Maaadness.

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Wow. What a trip. I've seen that spider. A few weeks ago. Tried to squash him too, with my physical hand. Several times. He wouldn't squish. Just stood still for a minute. And the he faded away.