[investmentonlinev2006x]

Hello,

Before I start I will quickly introduce myself. My name is Abe, I run a youth program in Queensland- Australia, I am 24, I am in the army reserves and I have an identical twin.

I would like to glean this forum for opinions/comments on the following experience. It occurred 3-4 times a week between the ages of 6-12 then spasmodically once or twice a month over the next 15 years. I guess as society impresses upon the mind what to, and what not to expect we begin to lose contact with the wiley spiritual realm. I think as this OBE occurred over 300 times in my life I can accurately describe the characteristics. This is the gist;

I am laying in bed trying to get to sleep. Suddenly there is a massive roaring in the ears, like an electrical generator, and I sense something that Im absolutely cheese scared of noticing me and advancing towards me. I cannot turn my head to look at it or move a muscle, and I am completely paralysed. However I am absolutely certain there is something in the room. As I feel it getting closer the vibrating noise increases and, of course, so does the fear. There is an intense pressure pushing down on my chest and when it gets to me sometimes I would pass out from fright, however more commonly I can only describe the sensation as being "attacked". Whatever it is would prod me mercilessly and painfully, similar to tickling very aggresively, during some of these attacks I can move just my hands and I try to grab the thing and yet there is nothing to grab. Other times I would be yanked bodily and the covers would be ripped off me, (Almost exactly like the movie Emily Rose when she first gets attacked.) On other occasions it would feel like something is blowing a concentrated puff of air through the covers of my blanket onto my skin, however the air does not disperse, it is precise? Sometimes I would hear yelling demands or quiet comforting comments as the buzzing reached a crescendo and on other occasions I would feel like Im being choked to death. It is a very intense, frightening and fascinating experience. My identical twin brotehr used to sleep under the bunk and was never wakened or came to my rescue, much to my disdain. He only had the experience once, when I was 12 he accidentally gave me 3rd degree burns on the arm, he was awoken with a buzzing in the ears, ' like bees' he said, and then he felt like soemthing was sitting on his chest and lightly beating him, as if he was being chastised.

Certain factors indicate why these have occurred so often. I could lucid dream ever since I can remember. My defence mechanism against nightmares would be to close my eyes in the dream and flick them upwards, hence waking up. I remember living in Cronulla, Sydney, 5yo and I having a dream where I had rounded up a crowd of 20 or so people a few houses up from mine, and I was telling them that they were in my dream and that it was nice to have met them and I was going to dissapear in front of their eyes. I puked my eyes upwards and was awake. The people in the dream had all different period costumes on, from medieval to 1920's.

On some occasion I would be laying in bed and would think to myself I hope it doesnt happen tonight. The thought attracts it! BANG!buzzing.pressure.fear.prodding.and i wake up 'annoyed'! A reference to this 'thought attractions, awarenss' concept can be portrayed in the Greek belief that the 'Gods die if you fail to believe in them....(Conscious recognition..vulnerable.)'

Apart from the lucid dreams there was one other major contributing factor which I will recommened to everyone to use. For some reason as a kid I had developed a game before I went to sleep. It would involve visualising that I was facing the other way in my bed, and I would try to concentrate on maintaing that position. e.g thinking that if I opened my eyes the window was to my right and not to the left and keeping everything in the room in that view. I would start off visualising that I was more diagonal in bed then I actually was and then when I was comfortable with this I would make it harder and go for the opposite side of the bed. I dont know what gave me the idea to do this exercise as a kid, but I have no doubt it contributed to the above.


These occurences forced me to read all manner of religious and metaphysical texts from 12 onwards up until today. I was trying to find out what this means and what happened to me. Besides reference to OBE's, old hag syndrome and similar myths/legends in other cultures I was at a loss. Until 2 yrs ago I woke up and was ecsatic! For some reason I knew that it was those exercises which were the catalyst. I cant explain how I knew this but it is true. Anyway as discussed earlier I would like to glean some comments or evaluation of this experience if I may access the combined pool of knowledge this resource offers

Just a few weeks ago I was flying down to Sydney and I kept making myself drop out of the airplane into the ground, it was very intense, I would open my eyes and see if the person next to me noticed anything. It felt like when i dropped out of my body there must be some kind of twang movement from my physical body in response...all i could hear was my snoring until i sucked myself back in and looked across at the person sitting next to me again. It was a fantastic experience...cheap rollercoaster. Why go to a themepark.

A few years ago, I awoke ot the buzzing/fear/prescence and being 21, full of ego, I thought to myself and 'it' "Im sick of your harrassment, come and get me and show me what you have." Well...well..well wasnt that the wrong this to express. I heard a flurry of movement, (I couldnt see) and ther was the most intense pressure and buzzing I had ever expereinced. It forced air out of my lungs, which came out as a half growl out of my mouth. I told it to "**** OFF" and it did. I think by giving it some opening and inviting it to "do its worst" so to speak could have got me in a lot of trouble. That day I started believing possession was a possibility. It felt exactly as the BhagavaGita describes;(loosely translated) "Some spirits from want to expereince the mode of ignorance and will do what they can to feel love, lust, hunger, emotion." Switch on ladies and gentleman, think about a lot of those poor people in mental institutions and schizophrenic patients. Anywya apologies for the side topic.

I hope you enjoyed the recounting of some experiences, and would appreciate accessing the combined wisdom of this board to comment.

ta
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Anyway thankyou in advance for your contribution and comments/advice re the italic related experience.

Abe.

[Irravepem]

thank you for sharing your experiences. i completely agree with you that the 'game' that you did as a child has something to do with it. at least it is responsible for the typical pre OBE exit sensations (buzzing, roaring sound). imagining yourself as being at another position is a techinque one can use to induce OBEs. i gues that after some experiences you stoped visualizing this, this would explain why the frequency of this experience decreased. even the sense of another presence is usuall and normally it is just hypnogogic haluzination. in fact nearly everything what you describe can be seen as hypnogogic halluzination apart from the reoccuring painfull part of the experience. because of this i have some questions:

1. did you ever have a complete OBE from exit to reentry that has started with this buzzing, roaring sound, fear?

2. as i can tell from your account about the OBEs in the plain you are able to consciously induce them. are consciously induced OBEs not accompanied by this?

3. does this happen spontaneously during waking day to day live or only at the verge of sleep?

[nerohedfrs]

Interesting reading: I too had my biggest and best OB's up to the age of 12. I believe puberty has a 'grounding' effect-when you are more focused on society/peer/sexuality issues. Because I had very open minded parents I did a lot of research at that time to find understanding, but didn't learn to deliberately induce OBEs until my 40's-life has a way of distracting you- and now I'm having many more and am now starting to develop myself in other ways.
Anyway, nice meeting you, Abe.

[investmentonlinev2006x]

Hi Jalef,
1. I dont know.
2. Only lucid dreams now and almost every night if i want to. More common in new locations, as if the urge is to explore, confirm safety, and retreat.
3. only when tired, in bed, or sleeping.

CFTraveller what technique do u use to deliberately induce OBE's?

[Affolfembonge]

Hello Abe, and welcome to the forum. I'm sure you'll have many differing opinions as to what your question entails. There are several things that are coming in to play here all at the same time. What you're experiencing is a conscious OBE and being stuck.

I had an experience very similar to yours when I was aroun 17. A black caped headless man, the paralysis, the fear, the buzzing... I was so frightend that I literally pulled myself out of body. It was to be my first 'conscious' OBE. When I finally did exit, realized I was out of body and fell through a wall. I zapped back into my body and with such force that my room mate and I both heard my re-entry, which was a huge audible bang, similar to an explosion. She woke up screaming and yelling "what was that?" over and over. It was incredibly frightening to say the least.

With that being said, I too did quite a bit of research and asked many people questions that I wasn't really satistfied with the answers. But, after years of research and putting some of the pieces together this is what I came up with:

The paralysis, the consciousness (awareness), and the knowing of someone being there with you represents being in the 'in between' state of semi consciousness and exiting into the astral. You are not only aware that you are lucid, but you are dreaming and you are awake all at the same time, the fact that you are still dreaming (hence being 'asleep') is what is causing the paralysis. Paralysis is a condition as we all know is necessary so we don't act out our dreams. The people represent your fears.

Once you overcome your fear you will be able to have conscious OBE's. You are obviously lucid during this time so (at least in my own experiences) once you realize your dreaming and lucid and in this particular state if you can, remind yourself that it's the transition between exits. You are just conscious of them. Once you train yourself to relax, your exits will shift and become much easier and you won't have to deal with the unpleasantness of it.

You might want to do a search on conscious OBE's, and what to expect or symptoms of and so on.

Hope this helps, but again, this is only my point of view based on my own experiences and research. Maybe it will add a piece to your own puzzle.

Happy Traveling.
Fliesatnite

[Irravepem]

i agree with Fliesatnite. im quite sure if you manage to get out of body from this state you will discover that there is noone threatening you. and if you can deal with it while out of body, and this is easyer than in body.
check out this site for some exit techniques and general stuff about OBEs:
http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=65

[nerohedfrs]

CFTraveller what technique do u use to deliberately induce OBE's? -Abe
I use adapted techniques learned from MAP:
1) I get up early (like 1 1/2 to 3 hours before I actually have to get up) usually at 5 am, then sit in my recliner.
2) I then do energy work (depending on how sleepy I am) I can do NEW leg sponging & energy raising- if I'm too awake I also do primary center work (Chakras). If still awake I do relaxation/breathing, but mostly I don't.
3)If I feel like I can't stay awake, I affirm I will wake up upon separation. If I don't feel too sleepy, I settle to 'noticing'. I notice the space before my eyes, and the hypnagogics as they come along. At this point, I either have exit sensations or I fall asleep.
4) If I get exit sensations, I try an exit technique- ranging from rope to jumping up & down, to energy body rolling or flailling or getting up. If it still doesn't work, I go to the hypnagogics and ask for help getting out. Sometimes someone obliges me and pulls me out. It is surprisingly not scary. If I don't see anyone, I try to induce forward movement and try to 'merge into the landscape.' This has only worked once or twice, but it's something I haven't practiced a lot either.
That's pretty much it in a nutshell.