[enactolaelant]

HIi All,

I admit I have some problems with gettining into trance intentionally. I do NEW and the techniques in "Astral Dynamics" but I am not sure if or what kind of states I go into are trance (or which kind of trance).

Some days ago I practiced during the day. I relaxed my body and tried this falling sensation (I used an elevator). It worked pretty well but I am not sure if or what kind of trance I entered. My mind was still wake but I lost contact with my outer senses, i.e. the physical body. As if I was dreaming but without the dream. It feels as if one is in a large space. I did not see anything, but I still could use my imagination and other mental processes like memory or logic.

I was not sure about this state being a proper trance and went deeper with the elevator again, until a sudden bout of fear surprised me. I stoped and after a few moments I recalled that in some dreams I fear going deeper (though in dreams it is usually a staircase). I think these fears are related and maybe the same (whatever they are, and whatever I fear).

I then decided to not further confront that fear (and I was strongly tempted cause those dreams irritate me) but follow my original plan to reach the RTZ. I used my imagination and tactile imaging to lift myself with a rope. There were no vibrations or noise but strong bouts of accelleration upwards. But I never got anywhere. I tried several times, always got the acceleration sensation but no difference of the state (no body, space, no visuals/sounds etc).

Then I decided to reattach with my physical body again (it is a bit like controlled waking up from a lucid dream). When I felt my physical body again and sensed the room, but was still in this relaxed state, I felt my husband standing next to the bed. But it was not possible - I knew he was at work. I couldn't open my eyes and wondered if it was his "double" or if my recognition was incorrect.

I decided to try to contact this being but unfortionately my daughter burst into the room and I had to end the session.

From what I read in AD I think that maybe the second state where I sensed that being might have been a trance and the RTZ but I am not sure. I still was in my body and I got no vibration or other exit sensations.

But what is that first state? It is somewhere between wake and dream/sleep. I am sure as I frequently stop there for some moments during the waking up process, though this was the first time I tried to use it for projection. Is it a trance state and if yes, which one? And why was I able to use the techniques and get the acceleration but didn't reach any place or plane?

Any ideas and help would be appreciated

[enactolaelant]

Oh, I forgot one thing. When I reattached to my body and before I sensed the "being" there was a small ball of light moving around inside my head. Like taktile imaging except that it did so by itself. I watched it until it dissipated after some moments. Anyone ever experienced this?

[VitaliyMurnov]

Thank you, Patty

I wouldn't worry about or try to label what kind of trance you are in.

LOL, but I am succer for terminology

This state without the physical body, but also not "somewhere", I have known for a long time, as I sometimes stay there before waking up. But this time I got there from the wake directly, not via the sleep/dream. I have been wondering what it is for some time, you know.

I read in AD about fear being a common feature of deep trance, but the other aspects like vibrations do not appear for me. So I doubt that it is deep trance. Fact is I would feel better if I had a name for it.

Just as long as you "feel" deep and aren't aware of your physical body, that's pretty deep. About your fears...personally I would confront them and find out what they are all about. I have thought about it and I wonder if *that* fear might not be without an object. You know, *just fear*, the fear itself. For I did not fear anything - just like in those dreams. In those dreams I see a staircase (or go downwards on it) and then suddenly I fear. But there is no reason to fear, nor do I fear that something special happens. Strange.

If you don't, you run the risk of them becoming thought forms in the astral and terrifying you even more. I've had this happen, but managed to laugh it off when I realized it was my own thought form (imagination) after me. LOL. But it is still pretty courageous. And I think it need a good lucidity to recognize it as your own thought form. What made you sure it was? I never know how to discern (thus in general I assume they *all* are my thought forms).

You are more susceptible to negative energy in the astral when you don't deal with it in the physical. Yes, I agree. Confronting the fear I will do one day. I almost did it then, but, well, it was the first time I got there intentionally and I already thought of trying so many things at that moment, lol, I finally decided to stick to the original plan.

I've had multiple experiences in the astral where I didn't have exit sensations or vibes. Ah, okay

You may be "phasing" as I do, rather than having an OBE in the Real Time Zone. I'm still in the phase where I have vibes, exit sensations, and then just have vague memories of the RTZ. I'm practicing for that big moment when I can SEE my physical body. It takes practice and determination. Especially for those of us who haven't been doing it spontaneously all our lives. Yes, for me it started in my teens as sleep paralysis, after I had practiced hatha yoga. But even then I never got the vibes or noise and stuff. Just separating a second body happend after some experiences. But I never got this ejection or hovering over my body or the like (well, I sometimes fly in my dreams but I guess that is something else).