[OWDavid]

Hello All,

Does anyone ever have doubt in their OBE experiances? I have been doing energy work for over a year and since then I have had about 6 OBE's but afterwards when I think about them I always wonder was it just a false awakening. They never happen from a being wide awake using the rope or any other method. For instance this is what happened with my last one. This is directly from my journal.

I awoke in the middle of the night. It felt as if my body was moving within my body. I was rolling like a log around and around. I started to roll my self back and forth and then I just rolled right off my bed and when I hit the floor I bounced like I was a balloon. I couldn't see anything but I felt myself floating upwards. Then when I was able to see I was floating about 3 feet above my bed. The lighting was very dim and I couldn't make out much detail. I did look at my hands and they looked really stange. They were a gray color and I tried to get way from my bed by kind of flapping my hands to fly way.

I then woke up. There was no sudden jerk back into my physical body. This is about the 3rd time I have had this kind of OBE. Imediately afterwards I thought, "Wow, that was amazing". It felt so real. All the time I was totally aware what was happening. But like I said before I wonder was this just a false awakening or a real OBE?

[layevymed]

I have been doing it since I was a little girl but mostly thought it was lucid dreams- until I went somewhere (a party) told my mom and she verified what happened there, who was there, what people were wearing, etc. That made me (and my mom, much to my relief)realize that I had an OBE. After that she bought books about it and we both read up on it. I continued to project and went into possibly the astral planes but never told anyone about it (for years, until I was grown up, when I read about them and knew it was a phenomenom others experienced). When I had recently married (a long time ago) I had one where I floated to my husband's workplace and saw him doing something in particular that wasn't his job. Upon awakening I immediately called him and he verified what he was doing- so I knew I had done it again. A couple of years ago, when my son was 2 or 3 we had planted some seeds, and a few weeks later I popped out again and floated around the kitchen, and I was attracted to the seed flats. Then I saw what had to be the most amazing thing- I could see in the flat these little plants- but they were glowing in the dark with this beautiful greenish white glow. I was so excited! The next morning we got up and I saw they had sprouted. This particular instance certainly didn't prove anything but it moved me more than the other stuff I have seen while projecting.
My point is that if you subscribe to the theory that you create everything you perceive, then the "objectivity" of an OBE isn't really that important; but the experience is it's own reward.
My other point is that if you are doing it sooner or later it will be verified by some other observer, or you will see something that will make you realize that the experience was "real".
I hope I didn't sound preachy.

[Arrectiff]

Here is an update to what has happened to me in relation to this topic.

The last two nights I have been dreaming and I will all of a sudden become aware of my body in my bed. Last night there was sort of a split in my consiousness. I am both in the dream and in the body at the same time. I sleep on my stomach and my physical body was still but my astral was rocking. I was able to go from facing down and I turned 180 dgrees to face up for a second, then all the way around to facing down again. I did this twice and then I got a little exited and then I woke up. The transition was real smooth coming back to my physical consiousness. Trying to describe it is really difficult. There was no break in consiousness at all. One moment I was able to spin my astral body and the next I was unabe to. Even though I didnt get out of my physical body it was such an awesome experiance. Now I need to to get control of my emotions and try not to get exited when it happens again.

[layevymed]

For some reason I thought you'd like to read this thread:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewt ... 1&start=20

[Jerwittdergut]

Congrats ! It sounds to me like you are very accomplished and experienced at OBE and that your higher self is trying to help you get better control of conscious OBE so you can leave when you want .

It is much harder to walk in a projection than it is to fly so instead of flapping your arms just think of where you want to be and sorta send your head there first like flying or swimming . I think it is mostly like a float . You could have a few destinations in mind so you are ready to choose one and go there . If nothing comes to mind go to the top of the roof and look around and then when you are further from your body you can have more control of the projection . A fave game I do with students in circle is to project from the roof of the circle home to their own only as the crow flies and go slowly over the rooftops . This will develop your clairvoyance too once you manage it .

Well Done !!

[Plulpangepler]

My recent RVing experiments suggest that it's for real, I'm getting pretty good reliability by using OBEs to view an object I have in a jar which others have seen but I have not.

http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... jsp?t=6503
http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... jsp?t=6258

[layevymed]

Sophroniscus said:
Wow, you are so lucky! A had a few strange dreams -- possibly OBEs -- when I was a child. But they frightened me and they stopped. Now, try as I might, I cannot seem to get the hang of it. How are you at lucid dreaming?

[layevymed]

Aunt Clair: Some day I'll get my instant messenger squared away so you can read me. Maybe I should make it my New Year's resolution.

[disappointment2]

Originally Posted by I, Sophroniscus Wow, you are so lucky! A had a few strange dreams -- possibly OBEs -- when I was a child. But they frightened me and they stopped. Now, try as I might, I cannot seem to get the hang of it.

How are you at lucid dreaming?

Horrible. On a scale from one to ten I place zero... Can you meditate for long periods of time without falling asleep?

[tigoCeree]

My recent RVing experiments suggest that it's for real, I'm getting pretty good reliability by using OBEs to view an object I have in a jar which others have seen but I have not.

http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... jsp?t=6503
http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... jsp?t=6258

Interesting site and post ty
How did you get the percentage of accuracy ?
How did you know it was not either 100% or 0 % ?

[NeroASERCH]

Originally Posted by Matt My recent RVing experiments suggest that it's for real, I'm getting pretty good reliability by using OBEs to view an object I have in a jar which others have seen but I have not.

http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... jsp?t=6503
http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... jsp?t=6258

Interesting site and post ty
How did you get the percentage of accuracy ?
How did you know it was not either 100% or 0 % ? What I do is make a list of the attributes I think the target object has and assign a 'sureness' score to it. Some attributes seem really strong but others are more just guess so they get smaller sureness scores.

When I find out what the object is I go back and mark how correct each attribute was. Most of the time the correctness is 0% or 100% but sometimes it's in between. For instance in RV2 the object was an allen wrench and I said it was pointy. It does feel pointy on the ends because the wrench is small and the metal is narrow. But it's not sharpened. So it's pointy but not pointed. I gave that one a 30% sureness and 30% correctness.

Multiplying them gave 9% score for its contribution to the overall accuracy. I tally up an average of the accuracy scores, then do a similar process for the completeness data which is made up of all the data I should have collected about the target.

For instance if I'm viewing the Eiffel tower I might say it's metal but nothing else. In that case my accuracy would be 100% but my completeness score might be only 2% because there are a lot of other things that I could have said about the Eiffel tower.

Once I have the total accuracy score and the total completeness score I multiply them together to get the final reliability score. So final reliability can be in between 0% and 100% either because the guessed attributes were not totally accurate or not totally complete

I'm running an online remote viewing experiment here:

http://www.saltcube.com/rv.jsp

The objects I pick are always relatively simple shapes and sometimes people get really close. If you'd like to make a guess, go for it! You don't have to get a login on the site or anything, you can post anonymously

[layevymed]

Sophroniscus: The reason I asked is because some people are better than others at certain disciplines. If you can meditate for a long period of time, why not try remote viewing? I have done it on occasion (when I didn't fall asleep) and the way I did it was simply to look at the swirly colors (I know they tell you to look past them, but that's not how I do it) remembering not to jump in. If you get a lot of pictures, try to remember them and maybe write them down if you find them interesting (I once had 2 doctors talking to each other- I thought that wasn't an everyday occurrence so I wrote that down.) Anyway, instead of trying to get out, practice clarivoyance as an end in itself. You could be surprised if all of a sudden you find yourself outside. Sometimes wanting somethihng and not feeling that you can do it can get in the way and actually if you keep your focus inward (not until you're bored, through) you can develop that part of it.
I hope this helps you a teeny tiny bit at least...