[joeyCanada]

Hello everybody

Once again i did a verification experiment. I will just describe what happened and then we can discuss it.

Ok

Experimental Setting

My girlfriend placed a object on top of the wardrobe. This can be anything, but it should be fairly small, 3-dimensional and unique. She used things like a needle, hair clip, or a ball of wool in the past.

Why this setting?

I use this setting because to me it seems very difficult to guess the object since it can virtually be anything. At least the chance to guess is way smaller then, for example guessing a playing card.
I also figured, it may be easier to perceive a real object compared to a abstract number for example. Also the goal of this experiments is not to proof anything but to explore the possibility of proof.

Outcome
I already did this experiment a couple of times in the past. Did it again twice this morning and the outcome is comparable each time.

Ok so here we go:

1. attempt
I awoke in the morning and still felt the sleep paralysis, so I figured this may be a good opportunity to project. I managed to "crawl" away from me body and moved to the living room (where the wardrobe is at) after about 30 sec my sight became brighter and I saw the wardrobe in front of me (the projection was weak, I almost lost focus a couple of times). I picked the bowl where the object was placed in and looked at it. To my surprise a Butterfly fluttered inside the bowl. I was aware of the fact, that it is highly unlikely that my girlfriend placed a butterfly inside the bowl, but I hoped that the real target may have a relation to a butterfly. That very moment I was pulled back to me body.

I did not move and managed to split from my body again

2. Attempt

I again moved to the wardrobe and this time remembered that Robert bruce once said, I should try to pull energy to the astral body trough breathing to enhance clarity. I did so and felt I vibrating sensation on my forehead (brow chakra)
I again looked inside the bowl and the my surprise saw a living bee that was humming there . I clearly say the yellow orange color of the bee with black sparkles.

What was the real target?

The real target was a tube of skin cream?! even with fantasy i can't find any match between a Butterfly a bee and skin cream

Questions

-Am I doing something wrong?
- what could I do to perceive the real object?
-what interpretations and conclusions can i draw from this experiments?
-any hints, ideas, suggestions, comments?

remark

After the second attempt a flow out of the window. There a saw a freeway right behind our house (in reality there is no freeway within 3 miles)
I found this perfectly normal. It didn't even cross my mind that there is no such freeway in reality. it actually felt very familiar! perfectly normal.

Was I not enough aware to do the experiments properly?

Best Regards Tom and sorry for the long post

[Plulpangepler]

I did a similar thing recently and found that my initial intuitive guess on the object was more accurate than any of my OBEs. I also found that my level of lucidity in the OBEs was critical for seeing attributes about the object that are accurate.

Here are the journal entries from my attempts:
http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... jsp?t=5959
http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... jsp?t=5991
http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... jsp?t=6022

I think possibly a tube of skin cream may have been too complex of an object. In my RV tests I think it's better to use objects that have a very simple shape and only one color.

My strategy is to look at the object a couple times in OBEs and collect a list of attributes the objects I see have. Then after several attempts find what are the common elements.

So I'm actually not trying to guess what the object is so much as I'm trying to find out what are its strongest aspects. The challenge is filtering out the garbage data. I actually did see all the attributes the object had in the last experiment, but I wasn't able to tell which were important and which should be thrown out.

BTW I'm doing an RV experiment here that anyone's free to take a peek at:
http://www.saltcube.com/rv.jsp

[joeyCanada]

Thx Matt

I take a look at it. Interesting experiences I may need to use simpler objects and try to enhance my lucidity. Keeping the mind as neutral as possiblealso seems to be important.

Tom

[ibiDb4uu]

that was really interesting - but also dissapointing, because it just increases my skepticism