[Bondjrno]

Hello everybody, perhaps some of you may have heard of Jerry Gross, an experienced projector who teaches people how to project. I’ve read he is able to move a physical object from the astral plane.

Jerry’s interview: http://www.near-death.com/gross.html
Jerry’s HOME site: http://hometown.aol.com/rgross6162/

Brief excerpt from Jerry Gross’ interview:

"In my workshops, I teach you to astral project by having you sit in a chair and go out and turn around and look at yourself. If you are lying in bed, you can rise up, turn around and look at yourself lying on the bed. You'll have proof enough when you are able to look at your physical body, from outside of it. I've been asked to prove this many times, in radio shows, and at the Whole Life Expo at the Los Angeles Convention Center where I traveled astrally from St. Paul, Minnesota to Los Angeles and moved a box they had set up on the stage for me. Once you learn how to do this you'll have proved this to yourself, and that's why I call my little group, Search and Prove. I want you to prove this to yourself for that's the ultimate proof. Don't take my word for it, prove it to yourself."
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Please, have any of you ever tried to move a physical object from the astral plane? Were you able to move it?

This is a very simple test you could do: Take an empty Coca-Cola can or bottle (typical aluminium can, 11 cm. tall by 6.5 cm diameter) and put it on a flat and smooth table. Those cans weight very little (only a few grams), and so, they are very easy to move from the physical plane, just give them a slight touch or blow and they’ll start rolling.

You could perhaps try to push the can just enough to make it roll and fall down from the table, or push it so that it goes over a very small bump on the table (a tiny grain, or a thin thread, or something like that). That way, the can will not be able to roll back, and later on, when you wake up, you’ll be able to check out if it really moved or not.

Do you think you could move the Coca-Cola can just a little bit from the astral plane?

Thanks. qbeac.

[Inconykic]

No, I've never been able to move anything. When I used to spontaneously project a lot, I would try to turn on light switches, or touch things, and what usually happened is that my hand just went through the wall. Once or twice the light switch "moved" but nothing happened- I tried talking to people if they were up (only like twice) and they didn't see me. The weirdest thing is that when I went through walls I could feel the texture, even get a feeling of smell- but I went through and no pain. A year (+-)ago I found myself inside a Winn-Dixie that had just been built (but wasn't open yet) and I found myself bouncing from wall to wall and shelves and I didn't knock anything out, and even though I could "feel" the sensation of the shelves, it didn't hurt. I kept bouncing around (because I wasn't familiar with the layout) but not going through walls that time. It seemed like it took a long time to get out of there.

[leahjhburton]

Having read too much, I know that Robert Monroe was able to go out of body and pinch a friend. Probably in the arm somewhere. The important detail was that he left a bruise without having intended to. There were many more examples of people going out of body, moving objects during their experiences, and going back in the body to find the objects in the original locations.

[GitaraMoya]

Intresting, i will try it when i can astral project lol, but i getting MAP soon so fingers crossed

[Snweyuag]

I don't consider a plane in which you see the physical world as in the Astral. Therefore, you couldn't be in the 'vicinity' of anything you would attempt to move.

[CHyLmxDr]

Good point, Sorlac, but that is a mere technicality.

I've heard that negs can sometimes cause physical damage to bodies, so if they have the power to influence matter, then we ought to as well. It would probably take some training to develop that ability however (assuming it exists), as indicated by others' difficulty with moving physical objects.

We learn from quantum physics that the observer always has an effect upon the observed...

[Bondjrno]

Hi everybody, CFTraveler, Tom, Akashic_Librarian, Sorlac, Ascendant, thank you for your comments.

Tom, the only account I have found so far (I have not searched too hard, though) about moving physical objects from the astral plane has been Jerry’s account. Also, in the real world, I know a person of my total trust who told me he knew in person of another similar case. But I have not been able to talk to the person who actually moved the object.

Tom, please, do you happen to know any other similar accounts from the Internet (any liks)?

Thanks. qbeac.

[leahjhburton]

Almost everything I read on astral projection online is from here. My preference is for books.

[Bondjrno]

Almost everything I read on astral projection online is from here. My preference is for books.

Hi Tom, do you remember in which books you’ve read of people doing something similar as Jerry Gross: moving objects?

[leahjhburton]

What I said was that they did not physically move the objects. It was nothing but failed attempts. I'm fairly sure I read it in Astral Dynamics. It would be interesting to try to find the page number.

[Snweyuag]

I don't consider a plane in which you see the physical world as in the Astral. Therefore, you couldn't be in the 'vicinity' of anything you would attempt to move.

I meant to write more, but I was in class at the time (shhh).

From what I understand and have read, there seems to be no way move physical objects while you're observing them outside of space/time. I have read of many experiments of this type. Often, the object appears to respond in that dimension, but upon returning it is found that it didn't move.

It's interesting to ponder though, because I wonder how tele/psychokinesis fits into this picture, if at all.

[leahjhburton]

The way I keep reading about this is that it is perfectly reasonable to spend hours at a time learning telekinesis as something to do while in the body. It just feels pointless to me while unenlightened.

[Snweyuag]

The way I keep reading about this is that it is perfectly reasonable to spend hours at a time learning telekinesis as something to do while in the body. It just feels pointless to me while unenlightened.

It's pretty much pointless when someone does learn how to do it anyway.

Shield from flames: imo.

[leahjhburton]

I'd suggest trying to make the energy in your hands as dense as possible, invoking images of bricks or earth elements or whatever helps you stablish this.

[Bondjrno]

It's pretty much pointless when someone does learn how to do it anyway.

Shield from flames: imo.

Hi Sorlac and Tom, why do you think it is pointless? I think that if it could be done, it could be very useful.

[leahjhburton]

I'll bite.

My point is that as long as I'm running around in circles there doesn't seem to be anything more special about moving objects with my mind when I have two perfectly good hands already designed for that purpose.

[Bondjrno]

Hi Tom, well, I believe it could be very useful to move real objects from the astral plane, even in case they were little objects. To begin with, it could provide proof of the reality of these experiences, couldn’t it?

[Snweyuag]

I was referring to the post before that post, thus referring to telekinesis.

[Bondjrno]

Hi everybody, I have found two chapters from an Astral Projection book in which the author talks about moving physical objects from the astral plane. The problem is that I have the book in Spanish. This is the title of the book and the specific chapters:

(SP) Muldoon, Sylvan - Proyeccion Astral

Chapter 9
Chapter 14

Please, does anybody know how to find the same book in English (or other similar books about this subject)?

Thanks. qbeac.

[joeyCanada]

Hi qbeac

The english Book can be ordered from Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/076614 ... s&v=glance


A similar Book would may be this be although I don't really know:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/141798 ... s&v=glance

Regards, Tom