[TudareWQT]

This is a real shame, i have admired A-Rod for so long, always had a great swing, moved out of position with the Yankees, adn despite all the rumors, he always came across as quite a polite well mannered guy. Obviously first there was that whole thing with Madonna and now with the steroids. Although nothing excuses him for using these performance enhancers, there were 104 names on that list, and there are still 103 names out there that tested positive. Should they be made public? there are arguments for and against that, and i really don't know. However he has been one of the most tested players over the past 3-4 years and he still has put up some amazing stats. The fact is i don't think he ever needed to use them, he was a pure hitter straight out of high school. He got caught up in the culture, it doesn't excuse him, it was still his choice, but i will still remember him as one of the premier hitters of My generation.

[joulseenjoync]

Bottom line...

Steroids might make you a little quicker to recover, might put a few more pounds of muscle mass on you...But they do not make major league talent out of nothing.

The guys a great player, he's simply put, one of the greatest left infielders of our time. I don't agree with steroid use, however I can tell you in the Mitchell report.....The players that were good were good regardless. The players that you never heard of, didn't become great playes because of steroids. There were more "okay" players in that report than there were great players.

Bottom line is a great player is going to perform no matter what, by the time you reach the majors, you have hit the ceiling as far as excellence, you will improve, but you either have the skills to be great, ore you have the skills to have a good career doing something you love.

[TudareWQT]

I agree with you there BB@TW. I don't think there is any doubt that Barry Bonds was a great player without the roids, there is no doubt that A-Rod was a great hitter before steroids and after using them, and there is no doubt that Andy Petite was also a great pitcher. I think that sometimes it is completely blown out of proportion, however by saying this, i by no means condone the use of steroids.

However who here thinks that the other 103 names on the A-Rod list should be released?

[artkolkovk]

Alex Rodriguez admits taking PEDs during 3-year period - ESPN


His voice shaking at times, Alex Rodriguez met head-on allegations that he tested positive for steroids six years ago, telling ESPN on Monday that he did take performance-enhancing drugs while playing for the Texas Rangers during a three-year period beginning in 2001.
"When I arrived in Texas in 2001, I felt an enormous amount of pressure. I felt like I had all the weight of the world on top of me and I needed to perform, and perform at a high level every day," Rodriguez told ESPN's Peter Gammons in an exclusive interview in Miami Beach, Fla.

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"Back then, [baseball] was a different culture," Rodriguez said. "It was very loose. I was young. I was stupid. I was naive. And I wanted to prove to everyone that I was worth being one of the greatest players of all time.
"I did take a banned substance. And for that, I am very sorry and deeply regretful."
In his first prime-time news conference, President Barack Obama called Rodriguez's admission "depressing" news.
"And if you're a fan of Major League Baseball, I think it tarnishes an entire era, to some degree," Obama said. "And it's unfortunate, because I think there were a lot of ballplayers who played it straight."
Major League Baseball had no comment Monday. Rangers owner Tom Hicks said Rodriguez's admission caught him by surprise.
"I feel personally betrayed. I feel deceived by Alex," Hicks said in a conference call, according to The Associated Press. "He assured me that he had far too much respect for his own body to ever do that to himself. ... I certainly don't believe that if he's now admitting that he started using when he came to the Texas Rangers, why should I believe that it didn't start before he came to the Texas Rangers?"
Rodriguez's admission comes 48 hours after Sports Illustrated reported that Rodriguez was on a list of 104 players who tested positive for banned substances in 2003, the year when Major League Baseball conducted survey tests to see if mandatory, random drug-testing was needed in the sport.
Sources who know about the testing results told SI that Rodriguez tested positive for testosterone and Primobolan, an anabolic steroid. In his ESPN interview, which his ex-wife, Cynthia, attended, Rodriguez said he did not know exactly which substance or substances he had taken. In 2003, there were no penalties for a positive result.








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Should his 03 MVP be stripped? I think so

[Abaanto]

A-Rod, steroids?

I . . . I . . . can't believe it. Say it ain't so

[joulseenjoync]

Technically no, he fessed up. The league hasn't handed out any punishment other than fines.

We've had this debate here before, and I played baseball for a long time, into my 30's, and I can tell you if you look at the list of guys that got busted in the Commission Report, the ones that were great, were great before they used steroids, the ones that were not key note playes, never made it to the top.

I think it's wrong, but I watched it all around me in college, football and baseball, it wsa only a shock to outsiders, but I can also tll you the good players I played with, were good anyways.

[Abaanto]

I saw this documentary about the future of genetically enhanced humans. When a baseball player was asked if he would opt to be genetically enhanced, he said of course, because everyone else would be doing it and it would be the only way to compete.

(no penor jokes please )

[joulseenjoync]

I saw this documentary about the future of genetically enhanced humans. When a baseball player was asked if he would opt to be genetically enhanced, he said of course, because everyone else would be doing it and it would be the only way to compete.

(no penor jokes please )

Hell in my case, I have had over a dozen Cortizone injections...I never got pulled from an NCAA game

Honestly, I think a lot of players got into it thinking it was going to do a lot, but I also think there were those who did it to help rcovery and healing, I really do not think anyone can quite understand the punishment of playing that sport day in and day out. Same with football, I mean I understand they are "pros" but you are still getting a beating everyday.

[Abaanto]

Hell in my case, I have had over a dozen Cortizone injections...I never got pulled from an NCAA game

Honestly, I think a lot of players got into it thinking it was going to do a lot, but I also think there were those who did it to help rcovery and healing, I really do not think anyone can quite understand the punishment of playing that sport day in and day out. Same with football, I mean I understand they are "pros" but you are still getting a beating everyday.

Any wonder there's a disability clause in player's contracts. There are guys that get permanently crippled from playing, as you well aware of. Where's the line between injury recovery and enhancement. Or is it a gray area?

[joulseenjoync]

Any wonder there's a disability clause in player's contracts. There are guys that get permanently crippled from playing, as you well aware of. Where's the line between injury recovery and enhancement. Or is it a gray area?

Me, I say it's gray. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the use of that junk, but only from a health standpoint.

Face it, if it wasn't damaging to the body, coaches would be pushing to legalize it, managers and team owners KNEW it was going on, and we all know it.

From what I see, if it's cheating at all, it's only because it does enable you to recover a little quicker, and yes, you can mass up like crazy, and feel like you can throw a bus down the street, but a baseball players job requires a lot of small muscle memory too, it's not all braun.

What I always had problems with was shoulder, wrist, ankle and thigh problems, in fact I was plagued with it.

Fatigue is hard to push through, you know what it feels like when you have ran a long diatance, and your legs want to collapse?

Then that feeling the next morning, but then your coach comes in and says you gotta play again that evening.

Your body never really gets full rcovery, and pro's don't sleep well because of all the travel either.

Essentially there is never a full recovery stage happening at all with them.

[Abaanto]

Kind of takes the fun out of playing the sport doesn't it?. Pain isn't something I deal with very well. For some, pain is a goal - they don't feel like they're accomplishing anything unless they're in pain. And that's ok, to each his own. I just wonder how many professional players in a given sport play for the love of the game, when they have to negotiate contracts, and play in pain all the time. I guess it kind of becomes a culture in an of itself. I mean, what motivates Anquan Boldin to have his face bashed in and come back so soon? Love of the game, intense sense of competition, massive lack of pain receptors in his brain?

I guess it's easier if you have something to help. I wonder how many players start out with some form of steroid to help in recovery, then just never stop using the stuff.

[joulseenjoync]

Kind of takes the fun out of playing the sport doesn't it?. Pain isn't something I deal with very well. For some, pain is a goal - they don't feel like they're accomplishing anything unless they're in pain. And that's ok, to each his own. I just wonder how many professional players in a given sport play for the love of the game, when they have to negotiate contracts, and play in pain all the time. I guess it kind of becomes a culture in an of itself. I mean, what motivates Anquan Boldin to have his face bashed in and come back so soon? Love of the game, intense sense of competition, massive lack of pain receptors in his brain?

I guess it's easier if you have something to help. I wonder how many players start out with some form of steroid to help in recovery, then just never stop using the stuff.

Well even though Roger Clemes still hasn't admitted to using, Petit claimed that Roger used them to help recover faster.

Five day rotations for starting pitchers in the majors isn't a lot of recovery time, they are normally just getting over "dead arm" and swelling/soreness cycles by the end of five days.

Normally they pitch sore anyways.

[DoctorTDent]

Disappointing to say the least. It seems steroids is everywhere in baseball now.

[joulseenjoync]

Disappointing to say the least. It seems steroids is everywhere in baseball now.

Actually they finally STOPPED using them

[Diortarkivoff]

i'm honestly not surprised. *shrugs*

[uneniaPhenits]

maybe the peer pressure he felt in Texas forced him to wear that pink lipstick?

[Fosavoa]

According to Yahoo, Bud Selig is considering putting Hank Aaron back on top of the homerun list.