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**BaselBimbooooo** · 04-19-2008, 06:25 PM

Yes, boxing. I like to watch a good fight (not a hugfest) from time to time and used to do a bit of kickboxing myself in the past. Just conditioning and friendly sparring, mind you

Anyways... I'm hoping there's one or two more people on TAT who follow or at least have an interest in the pugilistic arts.

Coming up tonight is the match between Joe Calzaghe and Bernard Hopkins. Arguably one of the fights of the year, it will either further enhance Hopkins' reputation, or finally validate Calzaghe as a great boxer. Who'd be your pick and why?

On the undercard of this fight there's one Audley Harrison. The 2000 Olympic gold medalist has had a stinker of a career thus far and has lost his last three fights, getting knocked out by the mediocre Michael Sprott in his last. He's fighting a guy with a 10-6 record tonight

Any bets? Anyone?

**BaselBimbooooo** · 04-20-2008, 08:09 AM

I never really believed Calzaghe could pull it off, but...

Joe Calzaghe recovered from a first-round knockdown to claim a contentious split-points decision victory over Bernard Hopkins in Las Vegas.

The Welshman, 36, was floored by a huge right hand in the opening exchanges and struggled to find his range early on.

Hopkins, 43, continued to have success with his right, but Calzaghe outworked him in the latter half of the fight. One judge scored it 114-113 to Hopkins, but the two others saw Calzaghe winning by wide margins of 115-112 and 116-111.

The win extends the Newbridge southpaw's unbeaten record to 45 fights, while Philadelphia's Hopkins falls to 48 wins, five defeats and one draw.

More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/7355823.stm

I honestly don't care how old Hopkins is, the man is a fantastic boxer, technically perhaps the best out there at the moment. Going by the article, he lost because of complacency. It's definitely something you can fault him for; he should have finished the job in the first half of the fight. Still, kudos to Joe Calzaghe. There's talk of him fighting Roy Jones Jr. next, but I'd hope he'd go for a younger prospect. Eh... No time like the present to cash in on this success I suppose...

**Nptxsews** · 04-20-2008, 09:58 PM

Of all the major sports of the 20th century, boxing might be the deadest (at least in America). All the pay-per-view stuff took it out of the public eye. And the ultimate fighting crap has completely eclipsed it.

I used to watch Friday Night Fights some times on ESPN2, but it got too hard to keep track of.

**Shiplyopidomi** · 04-20-2008, 10:59 PM

Of all the major sports of the 20th century, boxing might be the deadest (at least in America). All the pay-per-view stuff took it out of the public eye. And the ultimate fighting crap has completely eclipsed it.

I used to watch Friday Night Fights some times on ESPN2, but it got too hard to keep track of.

Agree on the boxing. In the 70s and 80s, there were some great fights and champions were not taking a long time b/w matches as they do today and sometimes, the same boxers faced each other in THE SAME YEAR.

**didrexx** · 07-15-2008, 08:26 AM

97 seconds. One of them was boxing.

Canseco knocked for a loop in boxing debut

By Steve Cofield

How many times will former athletes get into a boxing ring before they realize the sport is NOT easy? Not every big guy can be a boxer. The 6-foot-4, 248-lb. Jose Canseco, a former baseball slugger who has been at the center of the steroids controversy, found out quickly that you don't mess with someone who has legitimately worked on his fight game.

Former Philadelphia Eagle Vai Sikahema, 45, definitely has skills and showed them while pummeling Canseco in 97 seconds.

Sikahema, a Golden Gloves champ before his football career with more than 80 amateur fights, was giving away seven inches and 43 pounds. The size disadvantage had zero effect on what looked and sounded like a very angry Sikahema:

"He's a very impressive-looking guy. But the guy is a walking corpse, because he's rotted inside out. He's a pathetic figure."

Not only did Canseco insult boxers with this stunt, he actually had the gall before the fight to mention a mixed martial arts career. Canseco, 44, claims that he is a black belt in Kung Fu, Taekwando and Muay Thai:

"I wanted to get involved with MMA (mixed martial arts) and this is first step to it. Let's see what happens, how I do, how the fans like it. I'll have to see. If I go anything further than this I'll have to train a lot more, really take this serious. I really didn't take this serious at all. Hopefully we can have some fun."

Sikahema clearly wasn't on hand to have "fun" and Canseco learned that he'd better get serious if he ever tries it again. He may also want to stay away from Philly opponents:

"He came out here in first-class, (and is) flying home coach. That's how we roll in Philly," Sikahema said.

Canseco told Channel 10 NBC in Philly that he'd like to fight Sikahema again. If Sikahema won't do it, there's a line five miles long willing to challenge the former MLB slugger the next time around, according to Bernard Fernandez of the Philadelphia Daily News:

(Fight promoter Damon) Feldman said he has received nearly 2,000 e-mails from people who'd like a shot at Canseco, including, he claimed, third-party representatives professing to represent former champions Mike Rossman, Ray Mercer and Bobby Czyz. Canseco wisely has said he'd prefer not to mix it up with real pro fighters, at least not initially. http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box...?urn=box,93737

**Wgnhqhlg** · 07-15-2008, 10:45 AM

George Kimball has a new boxing book out Mr. Koffie that you might be interested in - Four Kings: Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran and the Last Great Era of Boxing. It's been getting a lot of cover over here, mainly because he writes a column in the irish times, it sounds good.

**incimisiche** · 07-15-2008, 12:43 PM

It is impossible to watch boxing and truly enjoy a good fight

Pay per view has just taken the joy out of the sport.

My husband and I used to watch boxing every weekend, being one of the few sports we both enjoyed but....at 40 or 50 or 60 bucks a fightnight....forget it. And I have little interest in watching a match that I've already read about in the paper.

**BaselBimbooooo** · 07-20-2008, 03:28 PM

George Kimball has a new boxing book out Mr. Koffie that you might be interested in - Four Kings: Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran and the Last Great Era of Boxing. It's been getting a lot of cover over here, mainly because he writes a column in the irish times, it sounds good.

That looks great, morct!

I'll be in Utrecht in two weeks time and I'll be sure to check out some bookstores while I'm there. They tend to have a slightly better selection than my home town.

**BaselBimbooooo** · 07-20-2008, 03:31 PM

97 seconds. One of them was boxing.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box...?urn=box,93737

The sad thing is he'll probably be back for more and get hurt again.

**BaselBimbooooo** · 07-20-2008, 03:39 PM

Of all the major sports of the 20th century, boxing might be the deadest (at least in America). All the pay-per-view stuff took it out of the public eye. And the ultimate fighting crap has completely eclipsed it.

I used to watch Friday Night Fights some times on ESPN2, but it got too hard to keep track of.

Is it really almost completely pay-per-view now? Surely there's some regional/local channels that feature fights between rising stars, journeymen, decent boxers without a realistic shot at any title and has-beens...

Over here I can watch Eurosport for that. They broadcast a fair amount of fights from Germany, where there's still a pretty decent market for the sport. They also show fights from C-class Vegas casinos

and the occasional European title fight. The best thing about all the above is that they don't focus solely on the heavyweights. Most of the fighters in that weightclass, unfortunately, are out of shape and out of ideas and seriously dragging the sport down each time they take to the ring.

**BaselBimbooooo** · 07-27-2009, 02:04 PM

Just read about this

Former champion Forrest murdered

Former IBF welterweight and WBC light-middleweight world champion Vernon Forrest has been shot dead during an attempted robbery in America.

Forrest was shot several times after apparently confronting thieves at a petrol station in Atlanta, Georgia.

The 38-year-old, also a member of the 1992 US Olympic team, gained stardom in 2002 when he became the first man to defeat Sugar Shane Moseley.

More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8169825.stm

**Mappaindy** · 07-27-2009, 02:32 PM

Just read about this

Former champion Forrest murdered

Former IBF welterweight and WBC light-middleweight world champion Vernon Forrest has been shot dead during an attempted robbery in America.

Forrest was shot several times after apparently confronting thieves at a petrol station in Atlanta, Georgia.

The 38-year-old, also a member of the 1992 US Olympic team, gained stardom in 2002 when he became the first man to defeat Sugar Shane Moseley.

More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8169825.stm

Such a shame. Made all that money in such a tough business and didn't get to reap the benefits.

**Uplillacype** · 07-27-2009, 04:39 PM

I saw on ESPN that he was not only a great fighter, but a giving and generous person to those in need. They said he had started an organization that helped mentally disabled children. and had put alot of his money and time into this.

The impact of his death goes far beyond boxing. These are the sad and senseless deaths that really do bother me.

**BaselBimbooooo** · 10-16-2010, 10:02 PM

Getting ready to watch Vitali Klitschko vs. Shannon Briggs online. Nobody is giving Briggs much of a chance, but you never know. Vitali is a very good boxer, but over his prime. Mind you, Briggs is only a year younger (I think)...

Interested in watching as well? Follow the link. You'll need to have Veetle installed (yeah, I know...) but the quality is good enough and the commentary is in English.

http://boxingguru.co.uk/gurutv.html

**BaselBimbooooo** · 10-16-2010, 10:18 PM

The ref looks like a flyweight

Still, experienced guy, good for this fight. Hope Briggs can make Vitali work for it.

**BaselBimbooooo** · 10-16-2010, 10:43 PM

Briggs is hopeless. He just waddles around the ring a little, trying to find a gap for a sucker punch. Klitschko is far more active and landing some serious punches. Kudos to Briggs for still being on two feet, but apart from that...

**55Beaphable** · 10-16-2010, 10:59 PM

Not that I watch boxing with any regularity, but when was the last time someone was seriously threatening one of the Klitschko brothers? Seems like a very long time ago...

**BaselBimbooooo** · 10-16-2010, 11:09 PM

Not that I watch boxing with any regularity, but when was the last time someone was seriously threatening one of the Klitschko brothers? Seems like a very long time ago...

They've both had some losses, with Wladimir being the dumbest of the two, walking into big punches by Sanders and Brewster. Apart from that, they indeed haven't been seriously challenged much since Lennox Lewis was around. The heavyweight division is in a poor, poor state. I doubt David Haye will do much to change that, especially when you look at his choice of fights. I mean really: Audley Harrison? Because the British crowds want it? Harrison is a joke....

**BaselBimbooooo** · 10-16-2010, 11:28 PM

Klitschko wins. Unanimous decision over twelve rounds. Fight should've been stopped in the eighth. Please find a worthy opponent next time round.

**Qrhzbadu** · 10-17-2010, 06:35 AM

Didn't even know we had a boxing thread.

04-19-2008, 06:25 PM	#1
BaselBimbooooo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 646 Senior Member	The Boxing Thread Yes, boxing. I like to watch a good fight (not a hugfest) from time to time and used to do a bit of kickboxing myself in the past. Just conditioning and friendly sparring, mind you Anyways... I'm hoping there's one or two more people on TAT who follow or at least have an interest in the pugilistic arts. Coming up tonight is the match between Joe Calzaghe and Bernard Hopkins. Arguably one of the fights of the year, it will either further enhance Hopkins' reputation, or finally validate Calzaghe as a great boxer. Who'd be your pick and why? On the undercard of this fight there's one Audley Harrison. The 2000 Olympic gold medalist has had a stinker of a career thus far and has lost his last three fights, getting knocked out by the mediocre Michael Sprott in his last. He's fighting a guy with a 10-6 record tonight Any bets? Anyone? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-20-2008, 08:09 AM	#2
BaselBimbooooo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 646 Senior Member	I never really believed Calzaghe could pull it off, but... Joe Calzaghe recovered from a first-round knockdown to claim a contentious split-points decision victory over Bernard Hopkins in Las Vegas. The Welshman, 36, was floored by a huge right hand in the opening exchanges and struggled to find his range early on. Hopkins, 43, continued to have success with his right, but Calzaghe outworked him in the latter half of the fight. One judge scored it 114-113 to Hopkins, but the two others saw Calzaghe winning by wide margins of 115-112 and 116-111. The win extends the Newbridge southpaw's unbeaten record to 45 fights, while Philadelphia's Hopkins falls to 48 wins, five defeats and one draw. More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/7355823.stm I honestly don't care how old Hopkins is, the man is a fantastic boxer, technically perhaps the best out there at the moment. Going by the article, he lost because of complacency. It's definitely something you can fault him for; he should have finished the job in the first half of the fight. Still, kudos to Joe Calzaghe. There's talk of him fighting Roy Jones Jr. next, but I'd hope he'd go for a younger prospect. Eh... No time like the present to cash in on this success I suppose... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-20-2008, 09:58 PM	#3
Nptxsews Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 427 Senior Member	Of all the major sports of the 20th century, boxing might be the deadest (at least in America). All the pay-per-view stuff took it out of the public eye. And the ultimate fighting crap has completely eclipsed it. I used to watch Friday Night Fights some times on ESPN2, but it got too hard to keep track of. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-20-2008, 10:59 PM	#4
Shiplyopidomi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	Of all the major sports of the 20th century, boxing might be the deadest (at least in America). All the pay-per-view stuff took it out of the public eye. And the ultimate fighting crap has completely eclipsed it. I used to watch Friday Night Fights some times on ESPN2, but it got too hard to keep track of. Agree on the boxing. In the 70s and 80s, there were some great fights and champions were not taking a long time b/w matches as they do today and sometimes, the same boxers faced each other in THE SAME YEAR. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-15-2008, 08:26 AM	#5
didrexx Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 481 Senior Member	97 seconds. One of them was boxing. Canseco knocked for a loop in boxing debut By Steve Cofield How many times will former athletes get into a boxing ring before they realize the sport is NOT easy? Not every big guy can be a boxer. The 6-foot-4, 248-lb. Jose Canseco, a former baseball slugger who has been at the center of the steroids controversy, found out quickly that you don't mess with someone who has legitimately worked on his fight game. Former Philadelphia Eagle Vai Sikahema, 45, definitely has skills and showed them while pummeling Canseco in 97 seconds. Sikahema, a Golden Gloves champ before his football career with more than 80 amateur fights, was giving away seven inches and 43 pounds. The size disadvantage had zero effect on what looked and sounded like a very angry Sikahema: "He's a very impressive-looking guy. But the guy is a walking corpse, because he's rotted inside out. He's a pathetic figure." Not only did Canseco insult boxers with this stunt, he actually had the gall before the fight to mention a mixed martial arts career. Canseco, 44, claims that he is a black belt in Kung Fu, Taekwando and Muay Thai: "I wanted to get involved with MMA (mixed martial arts) and this is first step to it. Let's see what happens, how I do, how the fans like it. I'll have to see. If I go anything further than this I'll have to train a lot more, really take this serious. I really didn't take this serious at all. Hopefully we can have some fun." Sikahema clearly wasn't on hand to have "fun" and Canseco learned that he'd better get serious if he ever tries it again. He may also want to stay away from Philly opponents: "He came out here in first-class, (and is) flying home coach. That's how we roll in Philly," Sikahema said. Canseco told Channel 10 NBC in Philly that he'd like to fight Sikahema again. If Sikahema won't do it, there's a line five miles long willing to challenge the former MLB slugger the next time around, according to Bernard Fernandez of the Philadelphia Daily News: (Fight promoter Damon) Feldman said he has received nearly 2,000 e-mails from people who'd like a shot at Canseco, including, he claimed, third-party representatives professing to represent former champions Mike Rossman, Ray Mercer and Bobby Czyz. Canseco wisely has said he'd prefer not to mix it up with real pro fighters, at least not initially. http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box...?urn=box,93737 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-15-2008, 10:45 AM	#6
Wgnhqhlg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 413 Senior Member	George Kimball has a new boxing book out Mr. Koffie that you might be interested in - Four Kings: Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran and the Last Great Era of Boxing. It's been getting a lot of cover over here, mainly because he writes a column in the irish times, it sounds good. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-15-2008, 12:43 PM	#7
incimisiche Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 418 Senior Member	It is impossible to watch boxing and truly enjoy a good fight Pay per view has just taken the joy out of the sport. My husband and I used to watch boxing every weekend, being one of the few sports we both enjoyed but....at 40 or 50 or 60 bucks a fightnight....forget it. And I have little interest in watching a match that I've already read about in the paper. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-20-2008, 03:28 PM	#8
BaselBimbooooo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 646 Senior Member	George Kimball has a new boxing book out Mr. Koffie that you might be interested in - Four Kings: Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran and the Last Great Era of Boxing. It's been getting a lot of cover over here, mainly because he writes a column in the irish times, it sounds good. That looks great, morct! I'll be in Utrecht in two weeks time and I'll be sure to check out some bookstores while I'm there. They tend to have a slightly better selection than my home town. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-20-2008, 03:31 PM	#9
BaselBimbooooo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 646 Senior Member	97 seconds. One of them was boxing. http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box...?urn=box,93737 The sad thing is he'll probably be back for more and get hurt again. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-20-2008, 03:39 PM	#10
BaselBimbooooo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 646 Senior Member	Of all the major sports of the 20th century, boxing might be the deadest (at least in America). All the pay-per-view stuff took it out of the public eye. And the ultimate fighting crap has completely eclipsed it. I used to watch Friday Night Fights some times on ESPN2, but it got too hard to keep track of. Is it really almost completely pay-per-view now? Surely there's some regional/local channels that feature fights between rising stars, journeymen, decent boxers without a realistic shot at any title and has-beens... Over here I can watch Eurosport for that. They broadcast a fair amount of fights from Germany, where there's still a pretty decent market for the sport. They also show fights from C-class Vegas casinos and the occasional European title fight. The best thing about all the above is that they don't focus solely on the heavyweights. Most of the fighters in that weightclass, unfortunately, are out of shape and out of ideas and seriously dragging the sport down each time they take to the ring. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-27-2009, 02:04 PM	#11
BaselBimbooooo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 646 Senior Member	Just read about this Former champion Forrest murdered Former IBF welterweight and WBC light-middleweight world champion Vernon Forrest has been shot dead during an attempted robbery in America. Forrest was shot several times after apparently confronting thieves at a petrol station in Atlanta, Georgia. The 38-year-old, also a member of the 1992 US Olympic team, gained stardom in 2002 when he became the first man to defeat Sugar Shane Moseley. More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8169825.stm Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-27-2009, 02:32 PM	#12
Mappaindy Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	Just read about this Former champion Forrest murdered Former IBF welterweight and WBC light-middleweight world champion Vernon Forrest has been shot dead during an attempted robbery in America. Forrest was shot several times after apparently confronting thieves at a petrol station in Atlanta, Georgia. The 38-year-old, also a member of the 1992 US Olympic team, gained stardom in 2002 when he became the first man to defeat Sugar Shane Moseley. More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8169825.stm Such a shame. Made all that money in such a tough business and didn't get to reap the benefits. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-27-2009, 04:39 PM	#13
Uplillacype Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 492 Senior Member	I saw on ESPN that he was not only a great fighter, but a giving and generous person to those in need. They said he had started an organization that helped mentally disabled children. and had put alot of his money and time into this. The impact of his death goes far beyond boxing. These are the sad and senseless deaths that really do bother me. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-16-2010, 10:02 PM	#14
BaselBimbooooo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 646 Senior Member	Getting ready to watch Vitali Klitschko vs. Shannon Briggs online. Nobody is giving Briggs much of a chance, but you never know. Vitali is a very good boxer, but over his prime. Mind you, Briggs is only a year younger (I think)... Interested in watching as well? Follow the link. You'll need to have Veetle installed (yeah, I know...) but the quality is good enough and the commentary is in English. http://boxingguru.co.uk/gurutv.html Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-16-2010, 10:18 PM	#15
BaselBimbooooo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 646 Senior Member	The ref looks like a flyweight Still, experienced guy, good for this fight. Hope Briggs can make Vitali work for it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-16-2010, 10:43 PM	#16
BaselBimbooooo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 646 Senior Member	Briggs is hopeless. He just waddles around the ring a little, trying to find a gap for a sucker punch. Klitschko is far more active and landing some serious punches. Kudos to Briggs for still being on two feet, but apart from that... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-16-2010, 10:59 PM	#17
55Beaphable Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 572 Senior Member	Not that I watch boxing with any regularity, but when was the last time someone was seriously threatening one of the Klitschko brothers? Seems like a very long time ago... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-16-2010, 11:09 PM	#18
BaselBimbooooo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 646 Senior Member	Not that I watch boxing with any regularity, but when was the last time someone was seriously threatening one of the Klitschko brothers? Seems like a very long time ago... They've both had some losses, with Wladimir being the dumbest of the two, walking into big punches by Sanders and Brewster. Apart from that, they indeed haven't been seriously challenged much since Lennox Lewis was around. The heavyweight division is in a poor, poor state. I doubt David Haye will do much to change that, especially when you look at his choice of fights. I mean really: Audley Harrison? Because the British crowds want it? Harrison is a joke.... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-16-2010, 11:28 PM	#19
BaselBimbooooo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 646 Senior Member	Klitschko wins. Unanimous decision over twelve rounds. Fight should've been stopped in the eighth. Please find a worthy opponent next time round. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-17-2010, 06:35 AM	#20
Qrhzbadu Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 444 Senior Member	Didn't even know we had a boxing thread. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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