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**Dertrioz** · 11-10-2009, 12:09 AM

It will be interesting when the chromosomal results are released. Regardless of what the percieved gender is I wonder if it is at all possible for her to be XX but I guess with testes it is not possible. I have some medical reading to do to brush up on XXY or whatever non XX XY combinations exist. Since they aren't going to make a competition for men women and intersexed people the governing bodies have to come up with something. Not being a competitive runner, to me, is not an option. But people are stupid and the scrutiny she would face is abhorent.

**SiM7W2zi** · 09-19-2009, 01:36 PM

E-mails show South African officials covered-up gender tests on Caster Semenya http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6840356.ece

**SiM7W2zi** · 09-19-2009, 01:56 PM

Some other good one

SA chief issues Semenya apology
Semenya knocked eight seconds off her personal best over the summer
Athletics South Africa's president Leonard Chuene has apologised for denying knowledge of gender tests conducted on runner Caster Semenya. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8261566.stm

Q&A: How do you define sex? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8250609.stm
The complexities of sexual identity http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8214094.stm

On the crazy side: SA threatens 'war' over Semenya
Semenya gender test row intensifies

South African officials have stepped up their defence of Caster Semenya, warning of a "third world war" if the row over her sex stops her competing. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8249948.stm

**55Beaphable** · 09-19-2009, 03:38 PM

Honestly, I don't think this would ever have become an issue if she hadn't won.

She was born intersex - my guess is her parents knew and made the choice to call her a girl. That's what you do, you make a choice about it. It's how she sees herself and how everyone around her has seen her. Now, she's got the world telling her she's not a girl or at least can't put herself in that category for specific things. She's good at something she may now have to give up entirely.

Renee Richards was allowed to compete in the WTA (granted there was griping but it happened). The IOC began to allow transsexual athletes to compete in the Olympics in 2003 as long as they meet certain requirements. This isn't unheard of.

I realize I'm simplifying something that can certainly be very complex. And to say this whole situation has been handled atrociously would be an understatement. But I truly wonder if it would have ever been questioned if she hadn't been a winner.

Among men or among women? The former is no problem, the latter sounds unfair for other competitors...

**vipluka** · 09-19-2009, 04:06 PM

The whole situation is unfortunate. I think it's too bad that her last name includes the word "semen." Late night shows are going to have a field day.

**PetrZimin** · 09-19-2009, 04:14 PM

E-mails show South African officials covered-up gender tests on Caster Semenya http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6840356.ece

Wilfred Daniels, the former ASA chief coach, who resigned last week in protest at ASA’s handling of the Semenya saga, said that the ASA had duped Semenya into thinking the gender test carried out on her were routine drugs test.

He said that the runner was left “distressed and humiliated” by the examination during which her genitalia were photographed.

The Mail & Guardian said: “The betrayal of Caster Semenya at the hands of those who should have protected her must rank among the cruellest acts ever to dominate international attention for the wrong reasons.” I feel so badly for this young woman. Whatever decision she makes will not be allowed to remain private. Terrible situation.

**Wgnhqhlg** · 09-19-2009, 06:30 PM

I feel so badly for this young woman. Whatever decision she makes will not be allowed to remain private. Terrible situation.

It is an absolutely terrible situation, she will be shunned by athletes even if she is allowed to compete again. Her whole life has been turned upside down and is being played out on a stage with the whole world watching.

**Nptxsews** · 09-19-2009, 10:29 PM

The whole situation is unfortunate. I think it's too bad that her last name includes the word "semen." Late night shows are going to have a field day.

I think late night is largely leaving her alone.

And the real trick to her name is that you can scramble it to spell "Yes, A Secret Man"

**FinanseMikky** · 09-19-2009, 11:34 PM

And the real trick to her name is that you can scramble it to spell "Yes, A Secret Man"

Wow, that's genius!!

**incimisiche** · 09-20-2009, 07:26 AM

Some other good one

SA chief issues Semenya apology
Semenya knocked eight seconds off her personal best over the summer
Athletics South Africa's president Leonard Chuene has apologised for denying knowledge of gender tests conducted on runner Caster Semenya. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8261566.stm

Q&A: How do you define sex? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8250609.stm
The complexities of sexual identity http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8214094.stm

On the crazy side: SA threatens 'war' over Semenya
Semenya gender test row intensifies

South African officials have stepped up their defence of Caster Semenya, warning of a "third world war" if the row over her sex stops her competing. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8249948.stm

Well I'm glad that South African Officials are defending her. Someone needs to.

11-10-2009, 12:09 AM	#1
Dertrioz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 470 Senior Member	It will be interesting when the chromosomal results are released. Regardless of what the percieved gender is I wonder if it is at all possible for her to be XX but I guess with testes it is not possible. I have some medical reading to do to brush up on XXY or whatever non XX XY combinations exist. Since they aren't going to make a competition for men women and intersexed people the governing bodies have to come up with something. Not being a competitive runner, to me, is not an option. But people are stupid and the scrutiny she would face is abhorent. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-19-2009, 01:36 PM	#2
SiM7W2zi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 558 Senior Member	E-mails show South African officials covered-up gender tests on Caster Semenya http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6840356.ece Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-19-2009, 01:56 PM	#3
SiM7W2zi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 558 Senior Member	Some other good one SA chief issues Semenya apology Semenya knocked eight seconds off her personal best over the summer Athletics South Africa's president Leonard Chuene has apologised for denying knowledge of gender tests conducted on runner Caster Semenya. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8261566.stm Q&A: How do you define sex? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8250609.stm The complexities of sexual identity http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8214094.stm On the crazy side: SA threatens 'war' over Semenya Semenya gender test row intensifies South African officials have stepped up their defence of Caster Semenya, warning of a "third world war" if the row over her sex stops her competing. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8249948.stm Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-19-2009, 03:38 PM	#4
55Beaphable Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 572 Senior Member	Honestly, I don't think this would ever have become an issue if she hadn't won. She was born intersex - my guess is her parents knew and made the choice to call her a girl. That's what you do, you make a choice about it. It's how she sees herself and how everyone around her has seen her. Now, she's got the world telling her she's not a girl or at least can't put herself in that category for specific things. She's good at something she may now have to give up entirely. Renee Richards was allowed to compete in the WTA (granted there was griping but it happened). The IOC began to allow transsexual athletes to compete in the Olympics in 2003 as long as they meet certain requirements. This isn't unheard of. I realize I'm simplifying something that can certainly be very complex. And to say this whole situation has been handled atrociously would be an understatement. But I truly wonder if it would have ever been questioned if she hadn't been a winner. Among men or among women? The former is no problem, the latter sounds unfair for other competitors... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-19-2009, 04:06 PM	#5
vipluka Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 380 Senior Member	The whole situation is unfortunate. I think it's too bad that her last name includes the word "semen." Late night shows are going to have a field day. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-19-2009, 04:14 PM	#6
PetrZimin Join Date Oct 2005 Location ISRAEL Age 63 Posts 404 Senior Member	E-mails show South African officials covered-up gender tests on Caster Semenya http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6840356.ece Wilfred Daniels, the former ASA chief coach, who resigned last week in protest at ASA’s handling of the Semenya saga, said that the ASA had duped Semenya into thinking the gender test carried out on her were routine drugs test. He said that the runner was left “distressed and humiliated” by the examination during which her genitalia were photographed. The Mail & Guardian said: “The betrayal of Caster Semenya at the hands of those who should have protected her must rank among the cruellest acts ever to dominate international attention for the wrong reasons.” I feel so badly for this young woman. Whatever decision she makes will not be allowed to remain private. Terrible situation. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-19-2009, 06:30 PM	#7
Wgnhqhlg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 413 Senior Member	I feel so badly for this young woman. Whatever decision she makes will not be allowed to remain private. Terrible situation. It is an absolutely terrible situation, she will be shunned by athletes even if she is allowed to compete again. Her whole life has been turned upside down and is being played out on a stage with the whole world watching. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-19-2009, 10:29 PM	#8
Nptxsews Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 427 Senior Member	The whole situation is unfortunate. I think it's too bad that her last name includes the word "semen." Late night shows are going to have a field day. I think late night is largely leaving her alone. And the real trick to her name is that you can scramble it to spell "Yes, A Secret Man" Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-19-2009, 11:34 PM	#9
FinanseMikky Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 435 Senior Member	And the real trick to her name is that you can scramble it to spell "Yes, A Secret Man" Wow, that's genius!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-20-2009, 07:26 AM	#10
incimisiche Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 418 Senior Member	Some other good one SA chief issues Semenya apology Semenya knocked eight seconds off her personal best over the summer Athletics South Africa's president Leonard Chuene has apologised for denying knowledge of gender tests conducted on runner Caster Semenya. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8261566.stm Q&A: How do you define sex? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8250609.stm The complexities of sexual identity http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8214094.stm On the crazy side: SA threatens 'war' over Semenya Semenya gender test row intensifies South African officials have stepped up their defence of Caster Semenya, warning of a "third world war" if the row over her sex stops her competing. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8249948.stm Well I'm glad that South African Officials are defending her. Someone needs to. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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