[cinggooft]

Or worse.....

[Unjucky]

the fact that some don't believe in the existence of is proof of non existence, sort of like, the fact that cheating occurs proves that humans are not a monogamous species

Come again? What do you mean by non-existence? The gods' non-existence? Or some sort of afterlife?



Twilightschild:
If life is just a temporary situation, then I guess it isn't that important to you? I hope your requirements for an afterlife aren't too demanding. Some people with a similar approach to life spent theirs denying themselves basic needs, like the stylites and hermits of the early centuries CE.

[valiumcheapll]

Yea, but often there are too many backseat drivers that try and tell us how to live or what to think.

Yes, if you want to create your own reality, fine. Just don't ask to drive the bus.

It's interesting how as our science progresses, the supernatural regresses. We rely on medicine to cure and treat disease. We rely on science to answer questions about how nature works.
To do otherwise is to live in terror. Read The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan. Unfortunately, there are still too many dark ages minds who see devils and demons around every corner and are easily influenced by anyone who claims knowledge of the supernatural. Then they vote.

Why is behavior like talking to invisible people tolerated in religionists while the same behavior will get others committed for hospitalization?

[Pdarasenko]

Come again? What do you mean by non-existence? The gods' non-existence? Or some sort of afterlife?



Twilightschild:
If life is just a temporary situation, then I guess it isn't that important to you? I hope your requirements for an afterlife aren't too demanding. Some people with a similar approach to life spent theirs denying themselves basic needs, like the stylites and hermits of the early centuries CE.

non-existence of a god like deity, which kind of nullifies the afterlife idea, if it depends on the existence of a god

Yes, if you want to create your own reality, fine. whose reality could it be other than one's own?

[ljq0AYOV]

whose reality could it be other than one's own?

People can share reality otherwise how could we communicate with each other? I assume that you actually exist and are therefore, worth talking to.

[Elissetecausa]

Twilightschild:
If life is just a temporary situation, then I guess it isn't that important to you? I hope your requirements for an afterlife aren't too demanding. Some people with a similar approach to life spent theirs denying themselves basic needs, like the stylites and hermits of the early centuries CE.

Temporary situation (which is in my signature and has nothing to do with this topic question)
Doesn't imply that life isn't important to me.
Just means that I don't take myself/others so seriously ALL the time, that I don't/cant have a open mind,live, laugh,love and learn,teach,experience,etc.

I have lived way to many afterlives to know what to take seriously and the whats/who's not to.

[idobestbuyonlinepp]

I assume that you actually exist and are therefore, worth talking to.

And in doing so, you've committed the "sin" you condemn 'religious' folks for, maxx.
No, I'm not trying to 'call you out'.
You brought up the most important (IMO) side of this argument. Which, like most 'very important' info, gets ignored by the two sides of this debate, in favor of 'juicier' arguments.

Does Sun Walker exist?
Not all of the evidence points in that direction. In fact, all of the evidence you have for Sun Walker's existence come directly from post brain processing. You could be hallucinating all of this, and you wouldn't (couldn't) know the difference.

(The difference between me and a crazy person is that I know I'm crazy)


Does God/ess exist?

I dunno, do you exist?

Can you prove that, to me? Can you do it in such a way that I have no choice but to believe you? Does that make it fact, or your own personal delusion, shoved into my brain until it comes out my mouth?

"I think, therefore, I might be"

[DumErrory]

'Why is behavior like talking to invisible people tolerated in religionists while the same behavior will get others committed for hospitalization?'

I don't think it's as easy as that. Many people who talk to the invisible in the name of religion have been committed or condemned.

[geniusxs81]

...a god/goddess does or doesn't exist? Are we just fooling ourselves into thinking there is some higher being?

[RogHammon]

Now you know that I cannot prove or disprove that. All I have is my opinion and you already know what that is.

Peace & Love!

[CreativeAcrobate]

Fooling ourselves into thinking...........you'll make a Zen Master yet!

...a god/goddess does or doesn't exist? Are we just fooling ourselves into thinking there is some higher being?

[gtyruzzel]

no,i think you understood it the first time.

if i talk to a 6 foot blue rabbitt named harvey,then i am delusinal.if i say i'm talking to a diety,then it's called prayer.i defy anyone to prove either exists,but i won't stop someone from talking to whomever or whatever they may believe in,so long as it doesn't interfere with my life.

[hjyAMqqT]

I can understand someone wanting to have a being to thank for the world we live in especially if you live in a particularly pretty part of the world and are in good health. However, nature is not always kind. I have always been overwhelmed by the power of the ocean even when just standing on the shore. There's a lot about living with nature that is a never-ending struggle, our battle with ever-mutating viruses and bacteria for instance.

Do you honestly believe that your prayers to whatever god or goddess you say you believe in will keep you safe and healthy? And some of those old gods wanted animal sacrifices. Do you do that? Or is your belief more the opportunity to dress in robes with flowers in your hair and dance by the light of the moon?

None of the above.

I believe everything has a purpose and reason.
Be it birth or death which there are different types.
Cant have one with out the other now can we?
Whats meant to be, WILL BE regardless of what ones beliefs may be.



Never been the flowery type.

[diplmixxxx]

I doubt it, but we do have a preference for making that being in our image...the true god could just be a mindless creator wooshing through the unknown universe creating life ~shrugs~.

It has been my experience that there is not really anything out there helping us that we can pinpoint, but I use to be in a relatively semi-famous heavy metal band while working at a meth lab...I shot my dope with dirty needles and screwed every skank in the town...my friends all have HIV or Hep C...I never got it even though I shared these needles with these same people back in the 80's ~shrugs~. Is it luck? That would be some pretty damn good luck! ~chuckles~

You can't prove anything like that though, I mean we have big brand names like Christianity, Islam, Buddha, etc. but no one can prove jack ~smiles~. God, by whatever name you give em' , is truly a person experience based on personal perceptions and life experiences ~smiles~.

I could no sooner prove to you that there is a god and vice versa! ~smiles~

I have had some really trippy experiences, but I cannot say that it was God, albeit I would like to think it was! ~smiles~

[TypeTeasiaDer]

Originally Posted by maxx
I can understand someone wanting to have a being to thank for the world we live in especially if you live in a particularly pretty part of the world and are in good health. However, nature is not always kind. I have always been overwhelmed by the power of the ocean even when just standing on the shore. There's a lot about living with nature that is a never-ending struggle, our battle with ever-mutating viruses and bacteria for instance.

Do you honestly believe that your prayers to whatever god or goddess you say you believe in will keep you safe and healthy? And some of those old gods wanted animal sacrifices. Do you do that? Or is your belief more the opportunity to dress in robes with flowers in your hair and dance by the light of the moon?




I believe that I can walk in my life in balance and take responsibility for my own actions and accept nature doing what it does and not have to talk down to people while I do it.

I've missed the point of this discussion. Clearly. And will refrain from posting about it further.

[L6RLnyfl]

As JimBob pointed out,I cant prove or disprove either,I just have a opinion.
Which in the big picture doesn't mean anything one way or the other.

[PharmACT]

We all stand in profound darkness: in truth -- as it has alreadey been mentioned -- there is no proof for or against the existence of God or Gods. We believe or do not believe; no one can say that we are right or wrong. I believe that it is best to culltivate a mind of Understanding and a heart of Compassion.

Hermano Luis

[xquFzpNw]

But...don't you think that it's only fair that if there is/are gods/goddesses...they let us know for sure. I mean...faith can go a long way but seeing is believing...right?

[nerohedfrs]

But...don't you think that it's only fair that if there is/are gods/goddesses...they let us know for sure. I mean...faith can go a long way but seeing is believing...right?

But if they exist they would probably care less whether or not we believed in them so there would be no real need for them to reveal themselves. Afterall, if they exist, they are going to live forever whether we believe in them or not.

Peace & Love!

[IntinyBut]

But...don't you think that it's only fair that if there ia/are gods/goddesses...they let us know for sure. I mean...faith can go a long way but seeing is believing...right?

As I am a believer and always thought them to be my true parents so I will add my thoughts.

I feel they do let us know everyday in many different ways.

New babies (birth) be that human,animal,plant ,mineral.
Sunsets/sunrises,I feel can be example's.
I think miracle's happen all the time,their handy work in letting us know.

I feel they have helpers as well to help in showing us ,Mother Nature, the sun/moon.
Saints,guardian angles for examples.

Does all that prove anything really depends on the who you ask.

What are your thoughts Sis??