[TXmjLW9b]

What is a shamanic witch?

[Gozmand]

The world is not something from which we must escape.

Revelations of the Bible says that only 12,000 of each of the twelve tribes of Israel will see Heaven. That adds up to 144,000. That's a lot less than all the Christians worldwide and it's only assuming they will rapture if they are still reincarnating. Otherwise they would already be in Heaven of course.
personally, the christian account of the end times would seem to be just as valid as the hopi indian or mayan account to the end times, however I tend to relate to the rapture as been when the aliens(?) save us from the burning/polluted/unlivable planet, I'm a big fan of the idea that 'the monkeys must go to the stars' whether we do it in our own accord or with outside help I would believe it to happen....what if the rapture was as simple as someone having a vision of the future in which many ships were fleeing the planet....12 tribes is easy to see the metaphor..whether christians want to believe/admit it, one is part of this world, their god, any way you see it, same for atheists, satanists(christians), muslims, shamanic tribes, witches, whatever...I believe that instead of looking for differences in all the religions, we would be more wise to look at the similarities for some common clues as to where we are going....one should note that these accounts were 'recorded' when the prohibition on mind expanding drugs was not yet in place, I imagine there is much wisdom to be found of the earth everywhere in religious texts and so forth, we must listen to the teachers of our past to see where we are going in the future, to dismiss it, is to be like every other mundane....

now on the otherside of the coin..............mind control...there is no question in my mind the main purpose of religion is to control large populations of people through 'divine laws' or man made laws, both are justified by religion

Anyways, the guy didn't die for me. He died for the notoriety. Well as far as I see it, he didn't have a choice in the death skit, but decided to die for everyone when he was already pinned up? Any person after the truth, and with the best interests of mankind would do the same thing, doesn't make him any less or more important then any of the other popular, well known prophets of our history

Lucifer was an angel of god once right? created by god? speaks for itself

Ever notice that smug glow on the face and glassy look in the eyes of a Christian dressed in their Sunday best getting out of church? I notice this on approximately 98% of any given human population in the 'developed' world, Christian or not.

I tend to agree with most of the rest you post but I should say something, maybe you should try looking at a bigger picture?

cheers

one last comment tho, sin is required for salvation to exist (you can quote that cthulu, great)

[PolPitasc]

how in the heck did you come up with the number 144, 000? This number threw off bells in my head and went to check the mayan calander information I have, and a 'baktan' is a period of 144, 000 days, 13 baktans in a great cycle (roughly 5130yrs)

[TornadoPD]

Revelations of the Bible says that only 12,000 of each of the twelve tribes of Israel will see Heaven. That adds up to 144,000. That's a lot less than all the Christians worldwide and it's only assuming they will rapture if they are still reincarnating. Otherwise they would already be in Heaven of course.

There are 144000 total of spiritual helpers (of sorts) in a soul group. Given that Im wondering whether or not they are taking the scripture to literally or whether or not wording has changed to alter the translation


So how is it that millions of Christians in this world think that they are going to disappear from the face of the Earth and enter Heaven? No wait, don't answer that. I know abandonment when I see it.

Perhaps because it is only being taken literally. Not all do though.


I just can't foresee it happening. But what I can see now is if that Jesus guy does appear in the clouds someday, he'll probably have the message of, "I'm leaving you all behind," for them. For all of us. Supposedly when Jesus himself went up into Heaven he said that he was going then to prepare a place for them. We don't have any indication yet that that place is ready. And when he said it to "them" back then they weren't Christians. Christianity didn't come about until about 400 years later. Besides since he would have burnt up in the atmosphere leaving Earth, that's most likely what would happen to anyone flying off into space in just human form.

Jesus said he will come like a thief in the night I thought? Maybe Im wrong. Not sure where the coming on a cloud came from. The thief in the night bit is a metaphor if read in depth for the sudden awakening or epiphany one might have in to the true nature of that which we are. If you read the preparing bit as a metaphor too, the preparing the place has little or nothing to do with preparing a home etc etc. Moreso providing a way (path) in which people can become more aware of there true nature and their place in the grand scheme of existence.


I imagine if all the Christians do disappear it will be because of the work of Lucifer. He'd probably get a kick out of that.

For me lucifer is also a metaphor for the ego. Not sure we would dissapear with ego though. Disappearing is done without attachement to ego.

Anyways, the guy didn't die for me. He died for the notoriety. I just hope that gravity doesn't give out for me. Lifting off the face of the planet I'd be in Spirit form in no time. Talk about a cremation. And alive to boot. Fire has to be the most horrible way to die. When Jesus did it, it had to have left Him with a bad memory. I mean come on, the guy comes back to life after facing a crucifixion and then the Father torches Him on His way out. I suppose He had to be in Spirit form to enter Heaven and They didn't want any evidence of His existence left behind. So who wants to go out in a blaze of glory? Not me.

He died for what he believed in. He was in spirit form that is why they couldnt touch him when he said I have not ascended to the father or something like that.


They seek an ecstatic state. Now I know "ecstasy" can mean joy, but I mean that euphoric feeling of ecstasy one can get when brain-washed. Ever notice that smug glow on the face and glassy look in the eyes of a Christian dressed in their Sunday best getting out of church? They are overly self-satisfied in thinking they are chosen and others are lost in sin and will receive no reward. Nobody gets out of Karma scot-free.

Maybe they are just happy?

Using words like truth, honest, honorable, verily, verity, sincere, veracity, candor, frankly, joy, peace, true, fact, fidelity, reality, actual, accordance, enduring, appear, forthrightness, openness, consistent, etc. fills the catch-phrases of Christian ministries worldwide. Hell, if I had a personal doctrine where I plugged the fact that it's unquestionably veritable on a constant ongoing basis, I'd have followers too. Perhaps leading to millions of them. It's a rhythmic persuasion like with Pavlov's dogs. Do this and you shall be rewarded. Do that and you shall be rewarded. Do this other and you shall be rewarded. And it's mostly about playing on people's fears, like death and Hell in the afterlife. It creates a herd mentality so that a minister gains more and more power over people willing to abide by his words. Ever notice how most people turn to Christianity at a weak moment in their life? It's no wonder since they are bombarded by the verisimilitude of the Holy Bible at such a point. Preachers seek out the weak and the weary. They know who to approach and speak to first. Those who are easily imposed upon and in a submissive state of mind. It's illogical for me to want to see the ongoing process.

People willingly give their power to another. It is their responsibility if they choose. Being unaware is no sin nor is there anything wrong with it. Eventually lessons will come to the fore to bring truth.

Just like with any religion, we have the freedom to be Christian in America. But tell me, is it really freeing to take up a religion that places so many impositions upon a person? Taking up the burden of the cross is a fraud. In my opinion, Christianity is the hardest religion that there is to follow, that is if followed to the letter of the law. Not just going to church on Sunday and sitting listening and praying for souls that have no more need to be redeemed than if they were Christ Himself. Christian ministers place unfair demands upon their congregations, especially the taking up of their time. When it comes down to brass tacks, members almost have to believe in the supposed coming salvation from this world for the faith itself makes it almost impossible to live life without feeling that one is always in error.

It is only freeing if people are able to read the truth in the depth of the texts that they follow. I know many who have. Confirmation of these truths however can only come from within. It cannot be blindly accepted on faith. People accept the demands that are placed on them by choice. Nothing wrong with that. No one is forcing them to do anything they do not wish to do. Eventually though the inner knowing will keep pointing in the right direction.

There are many paths to the top of the mountain so to speak. We each have our own way.

Happy Journey
Penny

[meteeratymn]

The world is not something from which we must escape.

Revelations of the Bible says that only 12,000 of each of the twelve tribes of Israel will see Heaven. That adds up to 144,000. That's a lot less than all the Christians worldwide and it's only assuming they will rapture if they are still reincarnating. Otherwise they would already be in Heaven of course.

So how is it that millions of Christians in this world think that they are going to disappear from the face of the Earth and enter Heaven? No wait, don't answer that. I know abandonment when I see it.

I just can't foresee it happening. But what I can see now is if that Jesus guy does appear in the clouds someday, he'll probably have the message of, "I'm leaving you all behind," for them. For all of us. Supposedly when Jesus himself went up into Heaven he said that he was going then to prepare a place for them. We don't have any indication yet that that place is ready. And when he said it to "them" back then they weren't Christians. Christianity didn't come about until about 400 years later. Besides since he would have burnt up in the atmosphere leaving Earth, that's most likely what would happen to anyone flying off into space in just human form.

I imagine if all the Christians do disappear it will be because of the work of Lucifer. He'd probably get a kick out of that.

Anyways, the guy didn't die for me. He died for the notoriety. I just hope that gravity doesn't give out for me. Lifting off the face of the planet I'd be in Spirit form in no time. Talk about a cremation. And alive to boot. Fire has to be the most horrible way to die. When Jesus did it, it had to have left Him with a bad memory. I mean come on, the guy comes back to life after facing a crucifixion and then the Father torches Him on His way out. I suppose He had to be in Spirit form to enter Heaven and They didn't want any evidence of His existence left behind. So who wants to go out in a blaze of glory? Not me.

They seek an ecstatic state. Now I know "ecstasy" can mean joy, but I mean that euphoric feeling of ecstasy one can get when brain-washed. Ever notice that smug glow on the face and glassy look in the eyes of a Christian dressed in their Sunday best getting out of church? They are overly self-satisfied in thinking they are chosen and others are lost in sin and will receive no reward. Nobody gets out of Karma scot-free.

Using words like truth, honest, honorable, verily, verity, sincere, veracity, candor, frankly, joy, peace, true, fact, fidelity, reality, actual, accordance, enduring, appear, forthrightness, openness, consistent, etc. fills the catch-phrases of Christian ministries worldwide. Hell, if I had a personal doctrine where I plugged the fact that it's unquestionably veritable on a constant ongoing basis, I'd have followers too. Perhaps leading to millions of them. It's a rhythmic persuasion like with Pavlov's dogs. Do this and you shall be rewarded. Do that and you shall be rewarded. Do this other and you shall be rewarded. And it's mostly about playing on people's fears, like death and Hell in the afterlife. It creates a herd mentality so that a minister gains more and more power over people willing to abide by his words. Ever notice how most people turn to Christianity at a weak moment in their life? It's no wonder since they are bombarded by the verisimilitude of the Holy Bible at such a point. Preachers seek out the weak and the weary. They know who to approach and speak to first. Those who are easily imposed upon and in a submissive state of mind. It's illogical for me to want to see the ongoing process.

Just like with any religion, we have the freedom to be Christian in America. But tell me, is it really freeing to take up a religion that places so many impositions upon a person? Taking up the burden of the cross is a fraud. In my opinion, Christianity is the hardest religion that there is to follow, that is if followed to the letter of the law. Not just going to church on Sunday and sitting listening and praying for souls that have no more need to be redeemed than if they were Christ Himself. Christian ministers place unfair demands upon their congregations, especially the taking up of their time. When it comes down to brass tacks, members almost have to believe in the supposed coming salvation from this world for the faith itself makes it almost impossible to live life without feeling that one is always in error.

[Indessasp]

It has always been the end times for Christians.

http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm

St. Martin of Tours (ca. 316-397) wrote, "There is no doubt that the Antichrist has already been born. Firmly established already in his early years, he will, after reaching maturity, achieve supreme power.

Beatus of Liébana wrote in his Commentary on the Apocalypse, which he finished in 786, that there were only 14 years left until the end of the world. Thus, the world would end by 800 at the latest...

[meencegic]

Yep. The world will end. Science has determined that it will happen in about 2.5 billion years.

I think that I don't need to worry about it too much.

Peace & Love!

[doxinwasido]

Many years ago I was visiting great-grandma in Texas. She was driving and made some comment about the rapture. She might have seen one of those bumper stickers that say, "In case of rapture, this car will be unmanned"

Guess I was feeling a bit wicked. I told her the rapture had already happened.

She gave me such a look!

[24MurinivaMak]

~ Yeah... Well, not being Christian I feel sorta out of place replying, but...
{Yep, the big old butt...}
It seems that generally most Christian religions aren't so much actually based on the Bible as someone else's interpretation of it.

Personally, I think the Bible has a lot of good parables & lessons & all, but to take literally something that's been translated through so many different languages?
& translations are never exact! A good translation has 2, 3 or more! different meanings for each 'phrase' {sentence or part of a sentence. Other languages don't all have sentences!}

... Yes, I know, {or so have been told}
'Every person in every aspect of writing the Bible over the Centuries was guided by God'.
I don't know, wouldn't it be easier to carve a mountain or something with the words?
Humans did Mt. Rushmore in a reasonable time...
But no. It all has to be taken 'On Faith'.
{Which, I'm sorry if I offend anyone in anyway!}
Sorta seem to be a way of saying, "Shut up & do what I say!"{& sometimes "Not what I do!"}

Oh... the physical bodies, even the dead, rising to Heaven at the Rapture...
That's an image that gives me the whoops. Just, I don't know, it's creepy!

The numerical stuff from Sunwalker & the Mayan calendar matching, now that's some funky cool!