[leflyCode]

Can 'true Catholics' support same-sex marriage? – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

My church welcomes gay marriage and fights for marriage equality, so it certainly isn't an issue for me. Having been raised catholic, i do have a lot of catholic relatives and friends, and this really isn't an issue for any of them. they all support gay marriage as a civil liberties issue and see no conflict between their religious beliefs and the legal rights of lgbt individuals. now, most of them would agree that such a marriage would not (and should not) be recognized by the catholic church, but heck, many of them have marriages not recognized by the catholic church because they did not have a catholic wedding. i have one acquaintance who is vehemently against the word marriage being use for anyone not married in the catholic church. i don't know why it matters one iota to her what someone else chooses to call their legal union, but she is so vehement in her beliefs on this it isn't worth even trying to discuss it with her. before i realized this i tried and all i really got from her was that only the Church should be allowed to marry people so that she would know if they said they were married it was a true marriage. again, why she needs to know the religious status of someone's union is beyond me.

thoughts?

[Jimambol]

I think the government needs to get out of the marriage business and legalize 'civil unions' for all and let the churches or whatever faith you belong to perform marriage ceremonies.
I believe some countries do that now. not sure which.

Can 'true Catholics' support same-sex marriage? – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

My church welcomes gay marriage and fights for marriage equality, so it certainly isn't an issue for me. Having been raised catholic, i do have a lot of catholic relatives and friends, and this really isn't an issue for any of them. they all support gay marriage as a civil liberties issue and see no conflict between their religious beliefs and the legal rights of lgbt individuals. now, most of them would agree that such a marriage would not (and should not) be recognized by the catholic church, but heck, many of them have marriages not recognized by the catholic church because they did not have a catholic wedding. i have one acquaintance who is vehemently against the word marriage being use for anyone not married in the catholic church. i don't know why it matters one iota to her what someone else chooses to call their legal union, but she is so vehement in her beliefs on this it isn't worth even trying to discuss it with her. before i realized this i tried and all i really got from her was that only the Church should be allowed to marry people so that she would know if they said they were married it was a true marriage. again, why she needs to know the religious status of someone's union is beyond me.

thoughts?

[Soolfelpecelf]

I think the government needs to get out of the marriage business and legalize 'civil unions' for all and let the churches or whatever faith you belong to perform marriage ceremonies.
I believe some countries do that now. not sure which.

hey! something we agree on. Germany is such a country. Everyone in Germany is married in a civil ceremony. They issue and sign the marriage certificate, church officials have no legal ability to do so. once that is done, people can choose to have a religious ceremony, but said ceremony does not give people any legal rights or protections.

this makes so much sense to me it is hard for me to imagine why this would be an issue for anyone. really the only difference in the US is that the non-government minister can sign the legal marriage certificate document.

[S.T.D.]

I believe the states have only been involved since the lat 1800s.


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I think the government needs to get out of the marriage business and legalize 'civil unions' for all and let the churches or whatever faith you belong to perform marriage ceremonies.
I believe some countries do that now. not sure which.[/QUOTE

hey! something we agree on. Germany is such a country. Everyone in Germany is married in a civil ceremony. They issue and sign the marriage certificate, church officials have no legal ability to do so. once that is done, people can choose to have a religious ceremony, but said ceremony does not give people any legal rights or protections.

this makes so much sense to me it is hard for me to imagine why this would be an issue for anyone. really the only difference in the US is that the non-government minister can sign the legal marriage certificate document.

[Ikhqgvas]

I am an atheist so...

[PlayboyAtWork]

I got turned off Catholicism in the 8th grade and no longer believe in one Iota of it. They used to round us up in the gym and make us watch video taped abortions while we waited for the other half of the class to return from penance. I kid you not. I could care less about who marries who. The whole issue feels a bit like a never-ending southpark episode. I sometimes check out youtube videos on space exploration like the Hubble Deep Space Field or whatever its called and it makes you think of the scale of humans compared to the known universe and frankly the whole issue seems pathetically petty.

If I were to guess, the institution of Marriage probably came far before any of the popular religions of today. To me claiming ownership of a word seems like a b.s. argument. Aren't things like music that are so many years old public domain? The practice of marriage and the definition should be public domain if that makes any sense, and if the states truly respect freedom of religion Gays should be allowed to have their own beliefs and marry...otherwise it smells like discrimination.

As far as civil unions... wouldn't that cost more time and money to have the beloved politicians get together and re-write all the laws regarding marriage to appease the zealots? I say we do whatever's cheaper and 50 years from now the whole issue will be a moot point.

[wCYvMKAc]

I believe in gay marriage for all the usual arguments. I also believe that polygamy should be legal between consenting adults. I cannot believe all the bigoted statements I hear directed at Romney and Mormonism by so called fair minded people who would scream and pop a vein if the same things were said against Muslims.

[somawaima]

I believe in gay marriage for all the usual arguments. I also believe that polygamy should be legal between consenting adults. I cannot believe all the bigoted statements I hear directed at Romney and Mormonism by so called fair minded people who would scream and pop a vein if the same things were said against Muslims.

Ninja herders are an oppressive sort. So are Mormons. I won't support any group where male dominance reigns supreme.

[Heopretg2006]

hey! something we agree on. Germany is such a country. Everyone in Germany is married in a civil ceremony. They issue and sign the marriage certificate, church officials have no legal ability to do so. once that is done, people can choose to have a religious ceremony, but said ceremony does not give people any legal rights or protections.

this makes so much sense to me it is hard for me to imagine why this would be an issue for anyone. really the only difference in the US is that the non-government minister can sign the legal marriage certificate document.

It's the same in France and in Monaco. Prince Albert had the dual ceremony last summer, first a civil ceremony and then a Catholic Nuptial Mass.

I'm a practicing Catholic but I support gay marriage because love is love. One of my favorite episodes of The Golden Girls is the one in which Blanche's gay brother introduces his fiance and Blanche is devastated. Sophia asks her, "Why did you and George get married?" Blanche replies, "We loved each other, we wanted to make a lifetime committment, we wanted everyone to know." Sophia says, "That's what Doug and Clayton want too."

Yes, it really is that simple.

[Emedgella]

I support gay marriage. I am an Episcopalian now (no longer RC) because I need to attend a church where women can be ordained, good people who are not RC can share in Communion, and gay couples are welcomed. And I wanted to bring up my children in such a church.

[Cd9JfGHR]

Marriage itself is an outdated and outmoded institution. Neither gubmint nor church should be able validate or invalidate what two people choose to feel. It's nobody's business but theirs.

[Yifnvmzp]

I don't give two whoops about gay marriage.

[Wr8dIAUk]

wrong. A church should and be able to so so based on their doctrine. Government has not right to tell a religious faith what to do.

Marriage itself is an outdated and outmoded institution. Neither gubmint nor church should be able validate or invalidate what two people choose to feel. It's nobody's business but theirs.

[first_pr]

I am Roman Catholic and my stance on gay marriage is inline with my faith.
I was an ELCA Lutheran at one time but left to go back to my roots as an RC because the ELCA and other protestant denominations
are now what I call "post Christian" in that they do not believe in the word of God but now feel they have to re-interpret the Bible because
they can no longer reach out to people unless they cave into what society thinks. I have always said, if an organization has to water down its believes
and become "the big umbrella" you know longer stand for anything. As far as women "priests", I'll go listen to a bunch of angry feminists if I want to listen
to them.

[sandyphoebetvmaa]

I find it silly that in this day and age, there are people that still surpress other's rights.

[JoesBro]

wrong. A church should and be able to so so based on their doctrine. Government has not right to tell a religious faith what to do.

I agree that government has no standing in most matters of religious doctrine, but you can't seriously be saying that anyone has the right to tell anyone else what to feel, regardless of their faith. That's just nonsense and if you truly believe it please keep it to yourself.

[milfovoxapl]

Marriage was a legal institution before it was a religious one. I keep mentioning this, and people seem to always ignore/conveniently forget it after a few months go by. Don't worry I'll keep reminding people as needed.

[HotboTgameR]

churches have a right to preach whatever they want to whom they want.
what people do with what is said is up to them.

and besides, people pressure others all the time in how to feel about something.
Look at this board, people think I am a racist because I did not and will not vote for Obama simply because I do not believe in his policies.

I agree that government has no standing in most matters of religious doctrine, but you can't seriously be saying that anyone has the right to tell anyone else what to feel, regardless of their faith. That's just nonsense and if you truly believe it please keep it to yourself.

[zlopikanikanza]

and how far back are you going?
the states only have been involved with it since the 1800s.

Marriage was a legal institution before it was a religious one. I keep mentioning this, and people seem to always ignore/conveniently forget it after a few months go by. Don't worry I'll keep reminding people as needed.

[NodePark]

wrong. A church should and be able to so so based on their doctrine. Government has not right to tell a religious faith what to do.

Except Mormons. And Muslims. And probably some others too.