[tigoCeree]

Most 'debates' between Genesis Creation and Darwinism are inherently skewed. They are commonly portrayed as "Religion versus Science". This is a canard.

In actual fact, Genesis-versus-Darwin is NOT Religion-versus-Science. ... Rather, it is Religion-versus-Religion!

This is a very important distinction for the thinking person to make. Without such an understanding, the Darwinist is much more likely to fall for pseudo-scientific theories and fraudulent science. This is why Darwinists tend to be more gullible and naive people, and tend to have a great aversion for critical thinking.

So, the Scientific question then becomes ... If Genesis and Darwinism are each ultimately a matter of faith, which account is supported by the observable data?

Let me give just one observation here: overlapping Dinosaur and Bi-pedal Human footprints.

In several places around the world, there are petrified mud beds where BOTH Reptilian Dinosaurs AND Bi-pedal Humans have left their footprints together. In fact, in the case of two, the Human footprint is actually INSIDE the Dinosaur footprint!

... Amazing?

According to the Darwinist faith, the Reptilian Dinosaurs went extinct some 63 million years ago. However, upright bi-pedal man did not appear until some 3 million years ago. ... Hmmmm.

Therefore, a very pointed question to the Darwinist is in order here: ... How did imprinted footprints of wet mud span a gap of 60 million years, untouched and without petrification?

To that they are speechless.

Of course, the Genesis account has no problem with Man walking side-by-side with Dinosaurs as the ACTUAL OBSERVABLE and VERIFIABLE petroglyphs show.

So, back to our original question: ... If Genesis and Darwinism are each ultimately a matter of faith, which account is supported by the observable data?

Clearly, Genesis is supported by the observable data, and Darwinism is refuted by the observable data. This is for all to see.

... Do you still believe in the Religion of Darwinism?

Faith in Jesus Christ is much more powerful than man's tired old fables and lies.

[Kvkcgktl]

Most 'debates' between Genesis Creation and Darwinism are inherently skewed. They are commonly portrayed as "Religion versus Science". This is a canard.

In actual fact, Genesis-versus-Darwin is NOT Religion-versus-Science. ... Rather, it is Religion-versus-Religion! Strawman. Questionable premise.

This is a very important distinction for the thinking person to make. Without such an understanding, the Darwinist is much more likely to fall for pseudo-scientific theories and fraudulent science. This is why Darwinists tend to be more gullible and naive people, and tend to have a great aversion for critical thinking. Ad hominem.

So, the Scientific question then becomes ... If Genesis and Darwinism are each ultimately a matter of faith, which account is supported by the observable data? Questionable premise.

Let me give just one observation here: overlapping Dinosaur and Bi-pedal Human footprints.

In several places around the world, there are petrified mud beds where BOTH Reptilian Dinosaurs AND Bi-pedal Humans have left their footprints together. In fact, in the case of two, the Human footprint is actually INSIDE the Dinosaur footprint!

... Amazing?

According to the Darwinist faith, the Reptilian Dinosaurs went extinct some 63 million years ago. However, upright bi-pedal man did not appear until some 3 million years ago. ... Hmmmm.

Therefore, a very pointed question to the Darwinist is in order here: ... How did imprinted footprints of wet mud span a gap of 60 million years, untouched and without petrification? Cum hoc ergo propter hoc. Suppressed/overlooked evidence. False dilemma.

To that they are speechless. Blatant lie.

Of course, the Genesis account has no problem with Man walking side-by-side with Dinosaurs as the ACTUAL OBSERVABLE and VERIFIABLE petroglyphs show. False dilemma.

So, back to our original question: ... If Genesis and Darwinism are each ultimately a matter of faith, which account is supported by the observable data? Questionable premise.

Clearly, Genesis is supported by the observable data, and Darwinism is refuted by the observable data. This is for all to see. Suppressed/overlooked evidence.

... Do you still believe in the Religion of Darwinism? Ad hominem.

Faith in Jesus Christ is much more powerful than man's tired old fables and lies. Non-sequitur.

[infarrelisam]

Blatant lie.

Then what's your answer? ... Hmmm?

[JMLot]

Blatant lie.

Then what's your answer? ... Hmmm?

Enki ejaculated the world, duh.

[gomosopions]

Enki ejaculated the world, duh.

Thanks. You prove me correct.

Darwinists have an aversion to critical thinking.

[BoBoMasterDesign]

Thanks. You prove me correct.

Darwinists have an aversion to critical thinking.

Non sequitur. Ad hominem.

Disprove the Sumerian creation myth. That's what I believe in, I think you lack the critical thinking ability to do that.

[Keeriewof]

Matthew Humber continuing the family business

[EspnaConCam]

Non sequitur. Ad hominem.

Disprove the Sumerian creation myth. That's what I believe in, I think you lack the critical thinking ability to do that.

No ... Let's hold you to your allegation of "Blantant Lie".

I challenged you to answer the Dinosaurs-walking-with-Man, and what have you responded with so far?

Nothing but ... evasion ... fake Latin hubris ... and stale 'humor'.

That sounds like speechless to me. Point stands!

[skydaypat]

I challenged you to answer the Dinosaurs-walking-with-Man, and what have you responded with so far?

Paluxy Dinosaur/"Man Track" controversy

"Although genuine dinosaur tracks are abundant in Texas, claims of human tracks have not withstood close scientific scrutiny, and in recent years have been largely abandoned even by most creationists. Alleged Paluxy "man tracks" involve a variety of spurious phenomena, including metatarsal dinosaur tracks, erosional features, indistinct markings of unknown origin, and a few loose carvings. "

[drugimpotence]

No ... Let's hold you to your allegation of "Blantant Lie".

I challenged you to answer the Dinosaurs-walking-with-Man, and what have you responded with so far?

I pointed out all the major logical fallacies in your writing. You know where I learned those? In a critical thinking class. But, instead of recognizing the fallacious reasoning you call it... Nothing but ... evasion ... fake Latin hubris ... and stale 'humor'. Fake latin? No. Ad hominem means "to the man" in Latin. It means you're attacking the credibility of someone in order to discredit their arguments. Cum hoc ergo propter hoc means "with this, therefore because of this" in Latin. That fallacy refers to the "correlation does not mean causation". Even if there WERE human footprints found in dinosaur footprints, that doesn't mean they happened at the same time, even if they were both petrified. Unfortunately since their beliefs are base on tautology and one specific religious belief out of many (equally false beliefs), creationists will lie and manipulate whatever they can in order to promote their views. Even though "faith" is all you claim to need to believe, you still keep trying to look for evidence to confirm your worldview (instead of letting evidence speak for itself, like science). Alas, the footprints are not human, but another form of dinosaur: Paluxy Dinosaur/"Man Track" controversy, by Glen J. Kuban (Dinosaur & "Human" Footprints, Paluxy tracks)

That sounds like speechless to me. Point stands! Speechless means I'm not talking. Clearly I am. Be wary, because as much as you creationists enjoy lying and manipulative language in order to promote your grossly inaccurate and intellectually simple worldview, I am a pedant beyond compare, so your language quibbles will fall on deaf ears.

[Rffkwfct]

This so-called 'controversy' is not new (yawn). It was screened on 'pop TV' using The Discovery Channel in a series called "Walking with Dinosaurs".

While graphically appealing, this series was filled with misinformation, speculation portrayed as fact, and heavy evolutionism propaganda. In many cases, there is virtually no evidence whatsoever to support claims made in the series, but viewers are not told that. Even some evolutionists are saying that the producers went too far with their blind speculations.

These 'controversies' were answered in Walking With Untruths:

“Walking with … Untruths!” - Answers in Genesis

But even more curious is, no one takes on the Tajikistan footprints. We even see the marks of the reptilian as its tail is dragged for a quarter of a mile. A human footprint is found there inside the dinosaur footprint. ... Hmmm?

[bUqLfXRI]

Even if there WERE human footprints found in dinosaur footprints, that doesn't mean they happened at the same time, even if they were both petrified.

Oh, so they happened 60 million years apart and stayed wet and undisturbed all that time.

I think that answers the premise that you said was false: Which Religion holds up to the observable facts?

[urbalatte]

Your arguments are copied and pasted from Answers in Genesis. Formulate your own arguments instead of copypasting whatever uncritical tripe you find online that supports your narrow and unsupportable worldview.

Oh, so they happened 60 million years apart and stayed wet and undisturbed all that time. They're not human footprints, so what you just said is irrelevant.

I think that answers the premise that you said was false: Which Religion holds up to the observable facts? The false premise is that there is something called Darwinism (there isn't) and that it's a religion (implying that science is a religion - that it isn't either). Move to some part of the world where your shallow minded elucidations won't harm the progress and state of humanity.

[Arximedus]

Faith in Jesus Christ is much more powerful than man's tired old fables and lies.

Jesus, Humber. How many sock puppets are you going to come up with?

Join Date 12-29-2011 Seth, Applecart and now Matthew. It seems every time you get your arse handed to you, your solution is to get a different arse. Why don't you try getting some arguments that aren't pathetic.

[xFZ3k8Mw]

Seth, Applecart and now Matthew. It seems every time you get your arse handed to you, your solution is to get a different arse. Why don't you try getting some arguments that aren't pathetic.

HE IS MATTHEW LIKE THE EVANGELIST! GET IT!!!!111oen1

[Chooriwrocafn]

1. Science is not religion. Stephen J. Gould eloquently argued that they are non-overlapping magisteria and many scientists practice a religion and do not find that it conflicts with their scientific work; only creationists seem to feel threatened by science.
2. Your use of the term Darwinism immediately brands you as a creationist shill. If you want to discuss science, use appropriate terms. Darwin died a long time ago, and although scientists respect his ground-breaking work, evolutionary theory has progressed a great deal since his time.
3. Neither Answers in Genesis nor a tv show are accurate sources of scientific information.
4. You are free to believe whatever religion you want, but if you try to use that religion to discredit science without providing credible evidence, expect to be vociferously challenged here.

[Olphander]

They're not human footprints, so what you just said is irrelevant.

This a perfect example of one who has an aversion for critical thinking.

Notice that this author has 'declared' these footprints as not human. Based on what? ... One can only guess.

But then the author goes on to state: 'what you state is irrelevant'. Another words, he has done something far more dangerous to himself - he has closed his mind altogether.

Well let's try to open it with the Delk Find.

Watch this video where the fossil of a human footprint overlapping a dinosaur footprint is confirmed as authentic by modern spiral Cat Scan technology:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=lXDBX99qePA#!

It is not only that the human footprints are authentic, it is that they are found in multiple vertical layers of mud beds. Another words, they transgressed many different times together in this river bed after being hardened again and again. This finding is impossible to fabricate.

Observable Conclusion: Man walked side-by-side with Dinosaurs.

[movlabz]

I personally believe that that the earth is flat, disease is caused by bad humors, 30 MPH is a wholly unsafe breakneck speed, left handed people should be stoned because they are devlish, volcanoes will go away if you pray real hard, the earth absolutely must be the center of the universe because I'm simply that important. And Jesus was probably a short brown man (at least we can all agree he was male thank goodness).

These are things we could argue all day long. When some scientist or religious figure comes out with a time machine I'll make up my mind for sure.

How bout we waste our time on some real issues?

[drugstore]

Faith in Jesus Christ is much more powerful than man's tired old fables and lies.


Oh the irony in this is rich I tells ya....rich!

[CsFLhGNp]

Matthew, just go back and read through the Creation Science thread. All these fakes, including the Delk print, have been debunked on there. You are bringing up tired old arguments that we've refuted several times over.

Believe whatever fairy tales you want, but don't try to convince the rest of us who live in the reality-based world that you are correct.