[kvitacencia]

Haze on Saturn's moon Titan may hold ingredients for life

In an experiment exploring the chemical processes that might be going on in the hazy atmosphere enshrouding Saturn's largest moon, a University of Arizona-led team of scientists discovered a variety of complex organic molecules -- including amino acids and nucleotide bases, the most important ingredients of life on Earth.

Our team is the first to be able to do this in an atmosphere without liquid water. Our results show that it is possible to make very complex molecules in the outer parts of an atmosphere," said Sarah Hörst, a graduate student in the UA's Lunar and Planetary Lab, who led the international research effort together with her adviser, planetary science professor Roger Yelle.

The molecules discovered include the five nucleotide bases used by life on Earth to build the genetic materials DNA and RNA: cytosine, adenine, thymine, guanine and uracil, and the two smallest amino acids, glycine and alanine. Amino acids are the building blocks of proteins. Pretty interesting.

[Elitiachirl]

Haze on Saturn's moon Titan may hold ingredients for life



Pretty interesting.

In the absence of the beloved Paul Humber, who I really, really miss, I will now weigh in on the creationist response, though in deference to the TOU, I will not simply cut and paste the entire article without attribution:

So why do some scientists just throw out these claims without not even having one “natural” example to go by? If they really know how life supposedly emerged through the ingredients don’t you think they could have reproduced it in a lab? They are really at the spoiled food assumption which life would supposedly emerge from that. No progress in other words! The foundation of the ingredient story holds no merit, no theory, but just a host of far out ideas about a fictional framework. Titan « New Discoveries & Comments About Creationism

Now I need to find some quot eby some supposed Scientist who doesn't believe in evolution, or perhaps find some quote by Stephen Hawking or Albert Einstein that I can take out of context.

It will be just like old times.

[Mboxmaja]

Haze on Saturn's moon Titan may hold ingredients for life



Pretty interesting.

In the absence of the beloved Paul Humber, who I really, really miss, I will now weigh in on the creationist response, though in deference to the TOU, I will not simply cut and paste the entire article without attribution:

So why do some scientists just throw out these claims without not even having one “natural” example to go by? If they really know how life supposedly emerged through the ingredients don’t you think they could have reproduced it in a lab? They are really at the spoiled food assumption which life would supposedly emerge from that. No progress in other words! The foundation of the ingredient story holds no merit, no theory, but just a host of far out ideas about a fictional framework. Titan « New Discoveries & Comments About Creationism

Now I need to find some quot eby some supposed Scientist who doesn't believe in evolution, or perhaps find some quote by Stephen Hawking or Albert Einstein that I can take out of context.

It will be just like old times.

[forumsfavoriteall]

Ouch that was painful.

I am starting to see a formula

Intro.
1. Strawman
a. quote mine
b. Theoretical "3 card monty"

Body.
1. Strawman
a. quote mine
b. Gibberish
c. Theoretical "3 card monty"

Conclusion
1. Strawman
a. quote mine
b. Higher standards for those I disagree with.
c. Gibberish

[AttableBewNaw]

I'm an Old Earth Creationist so I'll take a stab at this one.

You can take all the building blocks you want. They aren't going to self-assemble to the vast degree of simultaneous needed complexity of interworking machines you fine at both the subcellular and the macro level that is needed for life.

That's just an atheist creation myth.

[UMATURLIN]

I'm an Old Earth Creationist so I'll take a stab at this one.

You can take all the building blocks you want. They aren't going to self-assemble to the vast degree of simultaneous needed complexity of interworking machines you fine at both the subcellular and the macro level that is needed for life.

That's just an atheist creation myth.

Not bad, but lacking in the delirious and delightful qualities that made Humber such a fun playmate. Thanks for trying, though.

[cauddyVab]

Agreed. (sigh)...my life is so empty since he left...

And God knows what he's doing with all that free time.

[HawksBurnDown]

believe it or not, I occassionally get mass emails from him - he sends out "evangalism reports" and other things, but on a very irregular basis. I cannot remember how it is he got my email address in the first place, but sometimes it's comforting to hear how things are going in the Soul Saving Department down in the park in Manayunk.

[tsaaapla]

I've seen the emails as well. Someone I know is on Humbugs mailing list and forwards me his. It's just not enough to ward off Humber cravings though.

[KkJvrG4d]

I'm an Old Earth Creationist so I'll take a stab at this one.

You can take all the building blocks you want. They aren't going to self-assemble to the vast degree of simultaneous needed complexity of interworking machines you fine at both the subcellular and the macro level that is needed for life.

That's just an atheist creation myth.

How can you say this with such confidence? Are you a chemist or biologist? The bible says we came from mud (compound chemicals to complex animals in one step "instant")
It also posits a perfect all powerful, all knowing god that always was and can do anything. Yet this is somehow more plausible than a group of fatty acids that formed a primitive cell capable of eating and growing via thermodynamics and capable of division via natural forces ie wind, water etc in the span of billions of years?

I don't understand that - Self assembling, simple non perfect cells are too complex to have happened without assistance, but a perfect, omnipotent being isn't?

In the spirit of Paul and his love of comparisons - thats like saying the iphones came before microphones and earphones.