[beneitpedro]

I'm still trying to track down the context of this debate, but the question/resolution posed was "Is the Catholic church a force for good in the world?"

It makes for very interesting, intelligent viewing:

Dailymotion - The Intelligence² Debate - Stephen Fry (Unedited) - a Film & TV video

[ZesePreodaNed]

Can we name Stephen Fry Chief Enlightenment Evangelist?

What a well-reasoned, moving speech. He truly is a Renaissance man.

(Season 1 of his British tv series Kingdom is available on Hulu.)

[anconueys]

I watched that a while back, C hitchens did a GREAT job. The scores before & after reflect how well they spoke.

[Mumeseest]

You might find what you're looking for here...

Intelligence Squared - The Catholic Church is a force for good in the world

[ROYMANgo]

You might find what you're looking for here...

Intelligence Squared - The Catholic Church is a force for good in the world

That's it! All I could find were bits and pieces, including Hitchens' part which I haven't watched yet.

I'm actually looking forward to watching Ann Widdecombe make a fool of herself.

[SergZHy67]

^^ schadenfreudist!

[ringtonesmannq]

I'm finally watching the whole thing and, dear Lord, Hitchens is merciless!

[Oppofeescom]

I believe the Roman Catholic Church was a force for good in the world prior to Vatican II.

Since then, not so much.

[intorkercet]

I believe the Roman Catholic Church was a force for good in the world prior to Vatican II.

So the Church was better when it kept people in the dark through the use of the Latin Mass?

Question: do you actually believe the things you post here, or are you just looking for a reaction? (Yes, that's an honest question.)

[ViagraFeller]

So the Church was better when it kept people in the dark through the use of the Latin Mass?

Question: do you actually believe the things you post here, or are you just looking for a reaction? (Yes, that's an honest question.)

I think the church was more in line with what's right than they are now, that's all I'm saying.

BTW the Tridentine Latin Mass is a very beautiful thing. I'm not Catholic, or even Christian, but like the mystery writer Agatha Christie, also a non-Catholic, I recognize a thing of great beauty and product of Western civilization and culture. I admire it the same way I admire classical music.

[BypeVupyide]

I think the church was more in line with what's right than they are now, that's all I'm saying.

That's a truly amazing non-answer. Could you be less specific?

BTW the Tridentine Latin Mass is a very beautiful thing. I'm not Catholic, or even Christian, but like the mystery writer Agatha Christie, also a non-Catholic, I recognize a thing of great beauty and product of Western civilization and culture. I admire it the same way I admire classical music. That may be the cast, but don't you agree that people should know exactly whom/what they're surrendering their lives to?

[PareKeect]

That's a truly amazing non-answer. Could you be less specific?



That may be the cast, but don't you agree that people should know exactly whom/what they're surrendering their lives to?

That's why I find its best to admire traditional religions from afar. The only real problem I have with Catholicism is their insistence on "obedience" to what a priest or bishop says. I like the idea of having an independent mind.

But the externals of their religion are (or used to be) pretty fascinating and attractive!

[dasneycomrov]

I'm finally watching the whole thing and, dear Lord, Hitchens is merciless!

any debate with Hitchens is always ~schadenfreudelicious!