[TriammaMade]

Hate to put this in the religion forum, but since there are some on PS who do not accept evolutionary theory based on their religious background, might as well put it here.

PBS' NOVA has a brand new special on evolution, tune to your PBS station right now and watch. Then discuss.


NOVA | What Darwin Never Knew

Program Description
Earth teems with a staggering variety of animals, including 9,000 kinds of birds, 28,000 types of fish, and more than 350,000 species of beetles. What explains this explosion of living creatures—1.4 million different species discovered so far, with perhaps another 50 million to go? The source of life's endless forms was a profound mystery until Charles Darwin brought forth his revolutionary idea of natural selection. But Darwin's radical insights raised as many questions as they answered. What actually drives evolution and turns one species into another? To what degree do different animals rely on the same genetic toolkit? And how did we evolve?

"What Darwin Never Knew" offers answers to riddles that Darwin couldn't explain. Breakthroughs in a brand-new science—nicknamed "evo devo"—are linking the enigmas of evolution to another of nature's great mysteries, the development of the embryo. NOVA takes viewers on a journey from the Galapagos Islands to the Arctic, and from the explosion of animal forms half a billion years ago to the research labs of today. Scientists are finally beginning to crack nature's biggest secrets at the genetic level. The results are confirming the brilliance of Darwin's insights while revealing clues to life's breathtaking diversity in ways the great naturalist could scarcely have imagined.

[M1zdL0hh]

But didn't you know? The slightest flaw or discrepancy or unanswered question in the source material thereby invalidates every single solitary element of the theory for all time.

Oh, and it makes Hitler like you and stuff.

[drlifeech]

Oops - my answer was so good the system posted it twice.

Carry on.

[AlistDakisa]

well, i'm finding this program interesting because finally i get to see a program discuss the "macroevolution", not just evolution between various finches or fish or fruitfly species.

basically, the issue is not that we evolved from the fish...that is now shown to truly be the case. I find it fascinating, instead, to understand that the DNA, the genes, the genetic material, is something that has not evolved over the hundreds of millions of years. The "source material" is still the same across all these species. Now that's something that the religious folks (as well as scientists, of course) marvel at.

[Kiliunjubl]

PA: well, i'm finding this program interesting because finally i get to see a program discuss the "macroevolution", not just evolution between various finches or fish or fruitfly species.

PH: And what was the “macro” example(s)?

PA: The "source material" is still the same across all these species. Now that's something that the religious folks (as well as scientists, of course) marvel at.

PH: Are you saying that they all use the same the same code/language?

well, i'm finding this program interesting because finally i get to see a program discuss the "macroevolution", not just evolution between various finches or fish or fruitfly species.

basically, the issue is not that we evolved from the fish...that is now shown to truly be the case. I find it fascinating, instead, to understand that the DNA, the genes, the genetic material, is something that has not evolved over the hundreds of millions of years. The "source material" is still the same across all these species. Now that's something that the religious folks (as well as scientists, of course) marvel at.

[SkeniaInhilla]

Why don't you just watch it yourself humbug? Are you SCARED to watch it???

[ZonaPutaX]

agree with OCT; you can watch it on PBS the next time they show it, or even order a dvd of it...you can have it in your video library, or add to the collection of that university or college or whatever....

[poekfpojoibien]

Why is it so desperately important to certain types of people to advocate and push evolution? This always mystified me.

[FYIbiatches]

Certain types of people? You mean like scientists?? Those types of people?

[Gmvkgkmn]

Why is it so desperately important to certain types of people to advocate and push evolution? This always mystified me.

Why is it so desperately important to certain types of people to advocate and push astronomy? This always mystified me.

Why is it so desperately important to certain types of people to advocate and push history? This always mystified me.

Why is it so desperately important to certain types of people to advocate and push literacy? This always mystified me.

[gechaheritt]

And by push I guess you mean: post a link to a PBS about a topic that seems to be of interest to the readers of this forum and letting that link speak for itself.

[Hbkj89D2]

Why is it so desperately important to certain types of people to advocate and push astronomy? This always mystified me.

Why is it so desperately important to certain types of people to advocate and push history? This always mystified me.

Why is it so desperately important to certain types of people to advocate and push literacy? This always mystified me.

You know what really pisses me off? Gravity. It's all Gravity this and gravity that. They never even give the alternatives the time of day. Know why? Because they're liberals and they hate. Just like Hitler.

[Berta]

You know what really pisses me off? Gravity. It's all Gravity this and gravity that. They never even give the alternatives the time of day. Know why? Because they're liberals and they hate. Just like Hitler.

Know what's interesting about gravity? It was discovered by Sir Isaac Newton, a devoutly Christian scientist who no doubt would never have believed in Darwinism.

[itititit]

LET THE GAMES BEGIN !

[jagxj12]

We've been there, username. You're coming in late to this game.

[Itrtuawh]

Know what's interesting about gravity? It was discovered by Sir Isaac Newton, a devoutly Christian scientist who no doubt would never have believed in Darwinism.

Yawn.

[horoshevapola]

Know what's interesting about gravity? It was discovered by Sir Isaac Newton, a devoutly Christian scientist who no doubt would certainly have believed in the theory of evolution, as do all credible scientists today.

There, fixed it for you.

[appabessy]

There, fixed it for you.

Are people allowed to misquote others on PS as you did? I don't do that to anyone, but then, I believe in being honest when quoting.

Most reputable scientists up to modern times believed in a Higher Being, and were very religious (Louis Pasteur, Marie Curie, Isaac Newton, and the list goes on.)

I doubt they would have adhered to a theory of evolution as is espoused to day.

I understand that many today have a deep desire to "prove" this theory of evolution as a way of factoring a Higher Being out of the creation equation, but many of us don't fall for it, including Deists like myself.

[ebBPxIai]

Are people allowed to misquote others on PS as you did? I don't do that to anyone, but then, I believe in being honest when quoting.

Most reputable scientists up to modern times believed in a Higher Being, and were very religious (Louis Pasteur, Marie Curie, Isaac Newton, and the list goes on.)

I doubt they would have adhered to a theory of evolution as is espoused to day.

I understand that many today have a deep desire to "prove" this theory of evolution as a way of factoring a Higher Being out of the creation equation, but many of us don't fall for it, including Deists like myself.

Of course Newton also would have said that Christ was not divine. Was he correct there as well?

I fail to see how allowing for the theory of evolution to be sound would in any way be a problem for a deist. I know many people who subscribe to a belief in a higher being who also recognize the legitimacy of evolution.

I also know many people who (for some reason) think that if evolution is correct, then it runs counter to spirituality and therefore feel the need to argue against things like Darwinism. The two are not mutually exclusive as far as I know, and even the RCC has stated as much:

In an October 22, 1996, address to the Pontifical Academy of Science, Pope John Paul II updated the Church's position, recognizing that Evolution is "more than a hypothesis" - "In his encyclical Humani Generis, my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation... Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than an hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines." link

[autolubitelone]

Of course Newton also would have said that Christ was divine. Was he correct there as well?

I don't personally believe so, but maybe he was!