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Old 12-16-2009, 03:40 PM   #21
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Excellent Paul. Thank you. I signed the petition. Someone needs to speak for the oppressed.
I honestly don't see why God would mind if you're gay or not. Leading life in a committed loving relationship with one partner is a good thing, IMO.
Are you trolling?
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Old 12-17-2009, 01:17 AM   #22
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What's Trolling?
That's RICH! Now I'm sure of it!

Anyone who knows what a sockpuppet is, but claims not to know what trolling is must be (drum roll please)...

...a troll.
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Old 12-17-2009, 03:35 AM   #23
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I don't understand. Please elaborate.
Going to "User CP...

Clicking "Edit ignore list"...

Entering "Front Runner"...

Bye-bye!
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Old 12-17-2009, 03:37 AM   #24
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hmm. PFF is down with a database problem. Front Runner's syntax is oddly reminiscent of the Adlerian's. Think he's playing with us?
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Old 12-17-2009, 05:39 AM   #25
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You don't discuss religions. You ignore points made and call us bitter.
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Old 12-17-2009, 07:01 AM   #26
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hmm. PFF is down with a database problem.
Maybe Homeland Security is doing it's job.
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:13 AM   #27
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Is there anything that you feel is worthy of dying for?
High quality pork products.
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:55 AM   #28
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The unborn Christians?

And regardless it's none of your business. Don't like abortions? Don't get one.
That's like saying "Don't like racism? Then don't join the KKK." From the POV of a pro-life individual, a life is being taken. If you don't agree with that, then fine....but the "don't have one" argument isn't really a valid argument.
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:02 AM   #29
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That's like saying "Don't like racism? Then don't join the KKK." From the POV of a pro-life individual, a life is being taken. If you don't agree with that, then fine....but the "don't have one" argument isn't really a valid argument.
If it concerns them so much, why don't I see the same people protesting at prisons when the death penalty is due to be carried out?
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:03 AM   #30
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The anti-abortion people seem to think that abortion didn't exist before Roe v. Wade. The truth is that abortion before the Supreme Court ruling was a back alley affair in which women frequently died. Women have sought abortion for various reasons for thousands of years.

There is a good moral argument to be made for keeping abortion legal so that women do not have to suffer at the hands of illegal abortionists. Whether you think it is moral or not, abortion will happen, and I, for one, would rather it happen in a medical environment than with coat hangers and illegal abortifacients.
I don't know of one pro-life friend who thinks that way. In fact, I've heard it said numerous times that those "back-alley" abortionists (although the majority were done in medical facilities, according to a study done by the pro-choice Jane group in Chicago) are still around...Roe v Wade (or the laws enacted in several states prior to the SCOTUS case) just let those operating illegally come above ground with their actions.

Also, that commonly cited "fact" of thousands of women dying every year prior to Roe v Wade was made up. We know that because one of the men instrumental in the founding of the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws - Dr. Bernard Nathanson (himself an abortion provider) - has come forward and admitted they made up the statistic in order to gain sympathy and swing public opinion to their view. A man who later ended up profiting from the legalization of abortion admitted that he and others conspired to create false statistics in an attempt to change the law.
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:12 AM   #31
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If it concerns them so much, why don't I see the same people protesting at prisons when the death penalty is due to be carried out?
The whole argument that pro-lifers are (for the most part) supportive of the death penalty is one of those things that surveys just do not back up. Repeatedly, polling data shows that Catholics attending weekly services are one of the demographics most opposed to the death penalty...and also abortion.

For those who do oppose both, the argument that its a numbers game is valid -over a million lives ended through abortion each year, compared to several dozen executed. Regardless, there are numerous organizations opposed to both. Some can be found on the list of member organizations at Consistent Life - Member Organizations List
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:39 AM   #32
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I should have mentioned that pro-life Catholics are one exception to the rule, and I have to respect those who consistent in their conviction.

However, that does not account for the bulk of anti-abortion protesters, who are of the "born again" variety and also follow the "eye for an eye" doctrine.
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:43 AM   #33
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I know quite a few protesters, and most are Catholic. I'm not religious at all, but even I've done my part ;0

What constitutes the "eye for an eye" doctrine?
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Old 12-17-2009, 04:26 PM   #34
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Paul - I understand and respect the anti-abortion, pro-life position, though I cannot wholly endorse it, but this quote worries me:



This looks to me to be a call for violence, perhaps even revolution.

Do you subscribe to the "Justifiable Homicide" theory of abortion resistance? I assume you are at least familiar with this line of thinking, so I would be interested in your take on it, whether you endorse it or not.
I am disappointed Paul hasn't answered. I am genuinely curious about his view on this.
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Old 12-17-2009, 07:37 PM   #35
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I am disappointed Paul hasn't answered this.
you should be used to that by now!
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:52 PM   #36
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What constitutes the "eye for an eye" doctrine?
It's not a proper doctrine in the Catholic sense (which is to say it doesn't stand up to theological scrutiny). Rather, it's the answer you get when you ask a fundamentalist or "born again" Christian why they support the death penalty. "An eye for an eye, that's what it says in the Bible."
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:01 PM   #37
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Eye for an eye is Old Testament.
So is Creation.
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:01 PM   #38
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Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek. Eye for an eye is Old Testament.
In my experience, the "born again", who loudly proclaim their love for Jesus do not actually follow his teachings. They prefer the crazy old man God of the Old Testament, who appeals to their blood lust.
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:11 PM   #39
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Who has more of a blood lust than abortionists? I mean, seriously. How does someone cry about torturing terrorists, but feel OK about abortion?
I have a hard time getting worked up over a zygote.

I did not intend to get off topic, but many of the people that you speak of actually follow the teachings of Jesus. However [citation needed]
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:26 PM   #40
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I wonder if Humber and the rest of the fundamentalists who support this project are opposed to the death penalty? Sanctity of human life and all that.
I also love how they complain so much about welfare, condoms and sex ed.
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