[maysubers]

Census count to exclude overseas missionaries -- again - Salt Lake Tribune

The U.S. Census will not count religious missionaries that are stationed overseas in the 2010 Census.

I can go off on a long tangent about this. I do not think it is necessary.

If an American takes time out from their lives to serve their church, they should be counted in the Census.

[chuecafressds]

fcuk missionaries and proselytizers. mental midgets who want to turn others into mental midgets as well. and millions of sheep pay these people to spread their hatred and exclusivist principles around the world like wild fire.

[MyOwnStyle]

There are many missionaries that go into poor regions that you, nor I, would never venture into. They do this because they believe the commandments of their church compells them to help out people who live in unfathomable poverty and suffering.

I think we can count them as American citizens in the Census without endorsing or advocating their religion.

[Gypejeva]

These folks were "floored" when they found out the Census didn't count them.

[MaugleeRobins]

There are many missionaries that go into poor regions that you, nor I, would never venture into. They do this because they believe the commandments of their church compells them to help out people who live in unfathomable poverty and suffering.

I think we can count them as American citizens in the Census without endorsing or advocating their religion.

Red Cross does that very well, and so do a lot of other non-sectarian NGOs, who don't have soul-harvesting in the back of their minds.

Missionaries of all stripes almost always have food in one hand and bible in the other...one is given, the other is shoved down the throats....they seek out war zones and natural disasters because that's where they can "harvest" the souls of the kids, the hungry, and others the easiest with least resistance.

It sounds harsh but that is indeed the modus operandi of many Christian missions. It is loathful because they spread hate among followers of other religions and they sow dissent.

The Baptist Church, for example, has been reported to be funding armed conflict in parts of India against Indian sovereignty. In the U.S., the Southern Baptists have openly spread hateful literature against Hindus and others.

I have no charitable feelings for converters and proselytizers. They're all going to hell.

[leangarance]

MM,

Funny. But, what is equally funny is that on the tape of the suicide, they debated going to the USSR as an alternative to killing themselves. They drank the KoolAid insted.


Ag,

That is a broad generalization that I do not believe leads to a logical argument about whether Americans can leave the country for 2 or 3 years and still be counted in the Census. If we are to have representitive government that is effective, we need to count people who are Americans and will be inside the country within the ten year span that each census is suppose count.

Religious people count; and they should be counted.

[Scukonaher]

Fact is, nobody knows if and when missionaries come back to their HQ church. If they're gone, they could end up living in the "host" nation for the rest of their lives and many seem to do. Others come back after decades of being abroad in multiple locations.

[Dabdklwu]

The Christian missionary mindset is generally depicted as that of simple religious folk with a pure desire to peacefully spread their gospel and message of love. In reality, their methods of propagation are often anything but peaceful and usually leave behind a native population stripped of their culture and often decimated. With Christianity failing in the west, the evangelists seek new and greener fields in the poor and uneducated sections of third world countries, backed by huge coffers from the less zealous, who are nonetheless convinced that to bring civilization and religion to the poor natives is a noble cause, even if they don't want it. Missionaries often intermix military campaigns with missionary campaigns in their fervor to "civilize the heathens," who are often simple happy natives, whose only crime is that they are not Christians.

"Thou shalt save alive nothing that breathest. But thou shalt utterly destroy them..." (Deut 20)



"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." (Luke 19.27)




In the words of one resident of Thailand, “They [Christian missionaries] seemed that they did not show any interest for our culture. Why? They are just eager to build big churches in every village. It seems that they are having two faces; under the title of help they suppress us. To the world, they gained their reputations as benefactors of disappearing tribes. They built their reputations on us for many years. The way they behaved with us seemed as if we did not know about god before they arrived here.”[1]

[SypeKifef]

And a simple letter of intent stating they will return within 3 years time is enough for me to believe they should be counted.

Mormons, and my Mormon bashing cred is pretty legit, come back within 2 years.

Any quote can be found about bad Christian missionaries. The point of me posting this article was not to be a JESUS SUCKS thread. It is to state that Americans who take time to serve their church, and religious freedom is a main concept of American thought, should be counted in a Census.

Your personal animosity should be put aside. As someone who does not believe in organized religion, I can do it to logically suggest that counting missionaries is a just thing to do.

[Info-phone]

Out of three hundred million people how many people are we talking about ?

[lesso73]

If they are allowed to vote by absentee ballot, they should be counted in the census.

[topbonuscasino]

fcuk missionaries and proselytizers. mental midgets who want to turn others into mental midgets as well. and millions of sheep pay these people to spread their hatred and exclusivist principles around the world like wild fire.

many missionaries could run circles around corrupt orgs like Acorn.

[unapelosina]

The problem is accuracy in counting the missionaries. And even the Supreme Court has already sided with the Cencus Bureau on this, as recently as few years ago when the conservatives continued to have the majority on the bench.

Just one of those belly-aching things that we're sure to hear more about as the Cencus approaches.

[marcusdexz]

Ok, why do we have the Census in the first place?


The deci-census was conceived to reapportion the House of Representatives to the people living among the Several States.

The emphasis being among the States because the Representatives hold the balance of power the States have within the Federal government.


By definition, ex-patriots who have left the United States to live elsewhere with the exception of military families who are temporarily stationed overseas yet based within a state, still hold representation within their state because the condition is brief, defined and temporary.

Ex-pats who no longer source their income from the state and hold no property within the state and are outside the influence of most of the laws of their state arises a serious question... is representation necessary?



Consider this example, which isn't all that out-there:

Suppose the Katrina refugees were also political refugees in 2005 because nobody gave them any assistance, and they decided to leave for Liberia instead where people offered them housing.

Nobody surrendered their passports when leaving New Orleans, and happily accepted permanent resident alien status within Liberia for an indefinite period of time.


Because New Orleans is one of the most populous areas of Louisiana, is it fair to those living in Louisiana that their Representatives in the U.S. House remain loyal to the ex-pats, or to themselves? If you were living in Baton Rouge, wouldn't you rather have the districts re-apportioned so your vote counts because you decided to step up and stay in Louisiana while this other bunch who doesn't pay taxes in LA anymore got up and left?

How would you feel?

[JANALA]

The deci-census was conceived to reapportion the House of Representatives to the people living among the Several States.

The emphasis being among the States because the Representatives hold the balance of power the States have within the Federal government.

That's why I said, if you can vote absentee, you should be counted in the census. If you can vote, then the weight of where your vote reflects should be considered in apportionment.

If the missionaries can't vote, then they shouldn't count.

[leareliovag]

Fun factoid...

Jim Jones heavily recruited in Philadelphia. He held a big rally at Ben Franklin High:

YouTube - Pt. 2 - Jonestown: The Life and Death of Peoples Temple

MM,

Funny. But, what is equally funny is that on the tape of the suicide, they debated going to the USSR as an alternative to killing themselves. They drank the KoolAid insted.


Ag,

That is a broad generalization that I do not believe leads to a logical argument about whether Americans can leave the country for 2 or 3 years and still be counted in the Census. If we are to have representitive government that is effective, we need to count people who are Americans and will be inside the country within the ten year span that each census is suppose count.

Religious people count; and they should be counted.

[RonPeeredob]

fcuk missionaries and proselytizers. mental midgets who want to turn others into mental midgets as well. and millions of sheep pay these people to spread their hatred and exclusivist principles around the world like wild fire.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel.

[eXC3Kvnn]

The Christian missionary mindset is generally depicted as that of simple religious folk with a pure desire to peacefully spread their gospel and message of love. In reality, their methods of propagation are often anything but peaceful and usually leave behind a native population stripped of their culture and often decimated. With Christianity failing in the west, the evangelists seek new and greener fields in the poor and uneducated sections of third world countries, backed by huge coffers from the less zealous, who are nonetheless convinced that to bring civilization and religion to the poor natives is a noble cause, even if they don't want it. Missionaries often intermix military campaigns with missionary campaigns in their fervor to "civilize the heathens," who are often simple happy natives, whose only crime is that they are not Christians.

"Thou shalt save alive nothing that breathest. But thou shalt utterly destroy them..." (Deut 20)



"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." (Luke 19.27)




In the words of one resident of Thailand, “They [Christian missionaries] seemed that they did not show any interest for our culture. Why? They are just eager to build big churches in every village. It seems that they are having two faces; under the title of help they suppress us. To the world, they gained their reputations as benefactors of disappearing tribes. They built their reputations on us for many years. The way they behaved with us seemed as if we did not know about god before they arrived here.”[1]

As opposed to these loving Hindu believers.

Two More Christians in India Killed and Cut in Pieces - Catholic Online

Naveen Naqvi: Christian Pakistanis, Called "America's Dogs," Have Long History Of Persecution In Punjab

[DoctorIrokezov]

ah, the old "me so persecuted" story...

this is not Hindus vs. Christians... you won't be able to close that book on Christians persecuting everyone else for the past 2000 years.

this isn't a thread and i was asked to stop, so i will stop it and not take that bait.

[TriammaMade]

Why don't you tell us how you really feel.

hey, if fewer (none) missionaries get counted from Utah means there is one less ultraconservative nutcase Congressman from that state, i'm all for it.

how do you like my feelings on that?