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Old 08-21-2012, 10:19 PM   #1
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Default Just a reminder to keep a close watch on what's going on in your yard
I hope this doesn't fall under negative press.

But just a reminder to keep an eye on what's going on in your dog while your dogs are out. Just since school has been back in session I have heard about 3 separate instances regarding 3 separate dogs (various breeds, none of them pit bull type) that have occurred and one of these 3 dogs is for sure being euthanized. Basically in each situation the child has been on the way to the bus stop and has spotted a dog and wandered into the yard where the dog is and not all details have been released but each time there was a bite. From what I understand though no injuries were severe. Not sure if there was taunting involved or anything like that in all the situations but you know it happens. Also don't know about the dogs histories. In only one of the instances was the owner actually outside with the dog when it occurred and in that instance it appears the owner will be able to get the dog back after the quarentine period. In that situation if I understand correctly there WAS taunting involved, but the owner couldn't get to the dog before the child did. This dog has had no history of aggression either from what I understand.

So just a good reminder to keep an eye on what's going on in your yard when your dogs are out there. Especially during the times of day when children are making their way to and from the bus stop.

Seriously though what happened to being taught to "Never approach a strange dog". I remember being taught that at home. And heck even at school we were taught that, of course school also taught us to "Stand like a tree" to avoid a dog attacking. Not sure that would really do much. But at least someone was teaching us something back when I was a kid. Be it effective or not.
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:34 PM   #2
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I remember I was at a hog baying one time, and a kid got bit, not really a bite, "pinched" would be a better word. The owner of the dog, which was tethered to his trailer waiting for her turn to bay, walked the kid back to his mother and explained what happened and apologized. The mother thanked him and then turned to the kid and yelled " WHAT HAVE I TOLD YOU ABOUT WALKING UP TO DOGS ???" and whipped his little butt right there. You go momma. Maybe not every kid should be expected to know better, but this kid is like mine. Born and raised around dogs and knowing full well how to deal with them. I'd have done the same thing.

Sadly, not many people teach their kids about how to deal with a dog anymore. I see it at trailblazer events all the time where a kid just does not know. We finally started including a short class on dogs, how to approach somebody with a dog, or a loose dog, how to pet a dog etc. A lot of parents are to scared of dogs to even have a clue what to teach a kid.
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:47 PM   #3
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And Sadly sometimes you can teach them till you are blue in the face and unfortunately it doesn't always stick or there are outside temptations involved.

But its kind of scary as both a parent and pet owner. Obviously its awful to hear about one instance but 3 you know that just you would think could be prevented. Obviously things happen though
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:49 PM   #4
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Why is a dog being euthanized for a kid walking into someone elses yard? Thats what that stupid kid gets, and that kid should get his butt whooped because a poor dog is going to lose his life because his/her irresponsible parents not teaching that kid about staying out of peoples yards and not approaching dogs.
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:50 PM   #5
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Every instance of a kid running up to my dogs ends in "how to approach/pet a strange dog" lessons and the admonishment that you just probably should not approach strange dogs.

It is scary how grossly lacking in common sense people are.
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:54 PM   #6
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Why is a dog being euthanized for a kid walking into someone elses yard? Thats what that stupid kid gets, and that kid should get his butt whooped because a poor dog is going to lose his life because his/her irresponsible parents not teaching that kid about staying out of peoples yards and not approaching dogs.
Like I said I don't know all the details. I don't know if that specific dog had a previous bite history. I don't know if the parents are suing for the dog to be put down. I don't know if that childs injuries may have been more severe than the others and required extra care. I don't know if the owners turned the dog over to AC because of the bite or they made the choice themselves.
Unfortunately I don't have all the details. All I know is one of the 3 dogs is being euthanized. One's fate is unknown, and One gets to go home after a quarentine period.
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:58 PM   #7
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Every instance of a kid running up to my dogs ends in "how to approach/pet a strange dog" lessons and the admonishment that you just probably should not approach strange dogs.

It is scary how grossly lacking in common sense people are.
Yeah whenever we are out walking, kids are always running up to our dog without asking. Which the dog is cool with she welcomes kids with a wagging tail. But that being said, they leave her with a stern reminder not to walk up to strange dogs. However my rule of thumb is you don't ask to pet her, you don't pet her.
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:07 AM   #8
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I understand parents who aren't "dog people" not thinking to teach a kid about dogs. I don't like it, but I understand the ignorance factor.. "I never thought..." What I am totally not cool with is parents not teaching their kids boundaries and manners. As in "If it's not your property and you haven't been invited by an adult, do NOT go there!". Even if you aren't a pet lover or animal experienced parent, even if you don't have the common sense to realize your kid will may try to approach an animal and could be hurt, you could at least teach them to respect property lines.
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Old 08-22-2012, 03:26 AM   #9
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I understand parents who aren't "dog people" not thinking to teach a kid about dogs. I don't like it, but I understand the ignorance factor.. "I never thought..." What I am totally not cool with is parents not teaching their kids boundaries and manners. As in "If it's not your property and you haven't been invited by an adult, do NOT go there!". Even if you aren't a pet lover or animal experienced parent, even if you don't have the common sense to realize your kid will may try to approach an animal and could be hurt, you could at least teach them to respect property lines.
Jesus, I tell my 3 year old daughter "If mama and daddy didn't buy it, it isn't ours" until I'm blue in the face but it doesnt stick. I think theres a bit of confusion about our own home. We bought the home, it has two units and we live in one and rent out the other. My daughter is constantly trying to "break in" to our tenant's home. Thankfully our tenant is very understanding, she's a grandmother too, so she gives us the "tour". Please tell me explainingto respect people's property to children gets easier over time. We also have a problem with wanting to run up to strange dogs. I usually have to pick her up and walk in a different direction than the said dog. This is why my 3 year old is never more than 10 ft away lol.
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Old 08-22-2012, 06:45 AM   #10
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Okay, even more than teaching kids not to approach strange dogs, wtf happened to not going into someone else's yard period? If your pet runs into someone's yard I understand, you have to get it out (but should have had control of it), but even if you lose a toy then what's so bad about knocking first? Dogs are territorial, don't be an idiot and you won't get bit.

I do have to say, children have no respect for others these days. Our neighbors used to come into our yard all the time, riding their bikes and stuff, and REALLY deep into our yard. My dad nearly ran a kid over once trying to back out of the garage, and they were always leaving their toys around our lawn. Luckily any time I would put Roxie out there they would stick to the road (and i would be out there with her, and she was on a leash), but it got really irritating so I wrote their parents a letter... After that, it all stopped. But it's just amazing how disrespectful children are!

(our yard is half-fenced, but it's just the back, it's not finished yet. Can't wait till it is or till we move)
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Old 08-22-2012, 06:54 AM   #11
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i did a lot of things when i was little that i probably shouldn't have been allowed to do, one of those things was bringing home numerous stray dogs. i walked around my neighbor hood with hotdogs and dog treats in my pockets 'just in case'i guess i was lucky that i was never bit... i still bring home strange dogs.something i never grew out of.
but i never went on someone else's property,(unless i was playing with a ball/frisbee and it happened to land on their property in which case i would go grab it), and i certainly never pet a dog unless the owner said it was okay.
I find this situation terribly sad, the dog was on it's property.
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Old 08-22-2012, 03:02 PM   #12
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Sad for the dog...because some child hasn't been taught properly.
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Old 08-22-2012, 03:24 PM   #13
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Jesus, I tell my 3 year old daughter "If mama and daddy didn't buy it, it isn't ours" until I'm blue in the face but it doesnt stick. I think theres a bit of confusion about our own home. We bought the home, it has two units and we live in one and rent out the other. My daughter is constantly trying to "break in" to our tenant's home. Thankfully our tenant is very understanding, she's a grandmother too, so she gives us the "tour". Please tell me explainingto respect people's property to children gets easier over time. We also have a problem with wanting to run up to strange dogs. I usually have to pick her up and walk in a different direction than the said dog. This is why my 3 year old is never more than 10 ft away lol.
Oh, how well I remember the toddler years. I feel for you. It's not easy especially if the kid understands certain ideas a bit slower than you'd like.

Personally, I liked fear and pain as teachers. Better a smacked hand or smacked bottom than a bite. Better a good, fierce, talking to/lecture/yell at than getting hit by a car or wandering onto a dangerous or potentially dangerous situation. I did a lot of explaining along with it, son't get me wrong.

With my kids it went something like this: Kid wanders onto someone elses property I'd give a couple warnings with a simple "That's not our place. You can't go there. It belongs to other people. Go past this line and I will spank you!" and if there was a repeat there was a spanking.

Kid reaches or heads toward strange dog "Do you know that dog? No? Some dogs are nice. Some dogs are mean. Do NOT go to a dog unless I say you can! A dog could bite you!!" Kid reaches or heads toward a dog again, smack a hand or bottom and explain again.

Some kids are more stubborn than others and it takes time and consistency for it to sink in. Some parents do not want to spank and some kids don't care if you spank them anyways. Lord knows my oldest would still do stupid shit no matter how many whuppins she got for it. But give her a stern lecture, immediately take her away and put her in her room, a corner for a few minutes, or sit her in a chair and her world was ending.
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Old 08-22-2012, 04:41 PM   #14
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You know it would help a lot if there were more adult supervision. I just can't imagine letting a Kindergartener or 1st grader walk to the bus stop themselves. But then again we are living in a "Latch Key Kid" generation. Parents are usually gone to work before the kids leave for school and the kids are home before the parents get home. I've also never understood the whole concept of the little kids getting out of school a good hour before the older kids.

But yeah at the very least kids should be taught not to go into other peoples yards. But at the same time, you get a group of kids together and they get into mischief unfortunately. I got into my fair share of mischief as a kid and that has nothing to do with the quality of my raising. Just normal childhood temptations and double dares. And you know these kids parents may have taught them all the right things but again the temptation was there and mom, dad, grandma, etc were not. And as a kid its when you know no one is looking, you feel you can't get caught.
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Old 08-22-2012, 05:07 PM   #15
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Granted we lived in the woods and there were no neighbors houses/yards to get into, but my mom paid a babysitter after I was well old enough (by todays ridiculous standards as SBTloves described above) to watch my little brother because she didn't trust us not to kill each other.

I have friends who are dog people who will try and reach in a random dog's fence to pet it like a dumbass and nearly get bit. This from the same damn girl who owns a Ridgeback mix that would try and eat our neighbor if he leaned over the fence! She of all people should know better you'd think... And she is seven years older than me to boot.
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Old 08-22-2012, 05:54 PM   #16
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Granted we lived in the woods and there were no neighbors houses/yards to get into, but my mom paid a babysitter after I was well old enough (by todays ridiculous standards as SBTloves described above) to watch my little brother because she didn't trust us not to kill each other.

I have friends who are dog people who will try and reach in a random dog's fence to pet it like a dumbass and nearly get bit. This from the same damn girl who owns a Ridgeback mix that would try and eat our neighbor if he leaned over the fence! She of all people should know better you'd think... And she is seven years older than me to boot.
This in bold. Same here. Even after I was old enough to not have a babysitter. We were always still under the care of a grandparent or other relative after school until my parents got home. For that exact same reason, I don't think they could trust us home alone. lol. Heck when I was about 12 a group of friends and I decided to skip the bus and walk home to one of my friends houses...we were to cool to ride the bus we thought. Well only problem with that was it required crossing a busy interstate. When my parents found out what I did, lets just say I thought they were going to kill me, bring me back to life, and kill me again. I was grounded for months after that. Knowing some of the stupid decisions I made as a kid, I can see why they didn't want to leave us alone. Hmm... just thinking about some of the stupid stuff I did as a kid makes me not want to let my kids out of my sight.
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Old 08-23-2012, 03:54 AM   #17
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We have a 6 foot fenced yard with a locked gate. Peanut is never alone out there either - one of us always is out there with her. We also don't live near the school bus route, when there was a bus (they just cancelled the buses that used to go thru our neighborhood)

I don't know, when I was in kindergarten we lived just inside the limit for the school bus so I walked both ways by myself. My mom would watch me cross the wide street in front of our house and let me know when I could cross. In first grade, I walked home at lunch so I could bring my little sister to kindergarten then I'd walk her home after school. Even later when I did ride the bus my mom never walked me to the bus stop and if I missed the bus I had to walk to school, cutting thru the woods. It really was a different time then I guess. I walked to school up until I got my driver's license.
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Old 08-23-2012, 03:28 PM   #18
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It's amazing the ignorance out there. I live in the city and constantly run across stupid people who know nothing about approaching dogs. Most of the kids are actually better than the adults! I don't mind kids coming up to me and asking and I enjoy educating them about approaching strange dogs.

Coming into other people's yards? That kills me. I would have gotten an ass whipping for sure! But, I used to toss treats over the fence for neighborhood dogs walking to the bus stop. They were bad fence fighters and I was always scared of them getting loose. I never engaged them, just tossed a treat and kept on walking.
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Old 08-23-2012, 10:31 PM   #19
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I live by a school and all my neighbors keep their yards padlocked for this very reason. Children will open gates and mess with dogs, some mean well, others are up to no good. I had some kids try to let my neighbors dog loose b/c they didn't like how they were treated. While I agreed with them, I had to explain to them that if the dogs are picked up by animal control they were going to be killed or could be hit by a car, get into fights with other dogs, etc. They had food and shelter and it was best to leave them alone. They didn't realize they would be killed being pit bulls and hounds. They thought they would find better homes.

And don't get me started on kids in public. They have no sense whatsoever on how to approach dogs. I can't tell you how many times Casper has been literally attacked by children jumping on him. One occasion it really wasn't for lack of trying on the parents part,as the girl was autistic, but when she saw Casper she jerked from her mother, screaming her lungs out and literally tackled him to the ground. We were at the local collage for the Fall Festival. Casper seemed to sense she was no threat and he just let her do what she wanted, but after her Mother was done with her mini stroke and realized he wasn't going to hurt her, explained she had been bitten multiple times and they still had trouble controlling her when she saw a dog. She loved them so much, but she came on so strong, she frightened most dogs and they bit her to get away.
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