[dolaBeetCeage]

A while back i had an argument with an ole boy up the street, we was talking bulldogs, and he had all his dogs with him. I said what are your dogs mixed with? he said what do you mean i got 3 pit bulls and a boxer, i said man you dont have pitbulls you have fat mutts! he was like man my dogs are game even my boxer, i was like your dogs are'nt game and they did use boxers for fighting back in the day but over the years they have changed and he kep on running his mouth! what im trying to get to, are boxers of today game dogs?

Gameness in APBT's is a canine virtue that is most akin to the human virtue of unflagging courage. It is a determination to master any situation and never back down out of fear. It was developed in pit bulls by many generations of selective breeding. It is what allows a pit bull to keep fighting non-stop for two or more hours, in spite of broken bones, torn muscles, blood loss, dehydration, and exhaustion. But it is also valued by APBT owners who would never think of fighting their dogs. It is manifested in the can-do attitude of pit bulls toward any type of challenge, whether agility competitions, climbing up trees, or protecting their family against an armed attacker, etc.

Generally speaking, a game dog is an emotionally stable, easy-going dog, especially good with kids. Gameness should not be confused with aggressiveness. There are plenty of aggressive dogs that are not game, and there are game pit bulls who are not aggressive toward other types of dogs. Aggressiveness will propell a dog into a fight but will only sustain him for the first few minutes. Gameness, on the other hand, will not necessarily make a dog fight-happy; but if the dog has no other choice but to fight, a game dog will fight until it wins or dies trying, and will keep going as long as necessary. Gameness is an inner quality of pit bulls. There is no way you can tell by looking at a pit bull whether it is deeply game or not. The only test--and for many years the main criterion for selecting a dog for breeding purposes--is actually fighting the dog to see how it stands up to other dogs that have likewise already proven their gameness in the pit. Dogs that are emotionally unstable, or that fear-bite human beings are generally not game. If you want a nice pit, you're generally better off getting one that has been game-bred. These dogs represent the truest exemplars of all the best qualities in the breed.

[zueqhbyhp]

[QUOTE=realrasta;1192424]Gameness in APBT's is a canine virtue that is most akin to the human virtue of unflagging courage. It is a determination to master any situation and never back down out of fear. It was developed in pit bulls by many generations of selective breeding. It is what allows a pit bull to keep fighting non-stop for two or more hours, in spite of broken bones, torn muscles, blood loss, dehydration, and exhaustion. But it is also valued by APBT owners who would never think of fighting their dogs. It is manifested in the can-do attitude of pit bulls toward any type of challenge, whether agility competitions, climbing up trees, or protecting their family against an armed attacker, etc.

Generally speaking, a game dog is an emotionally stable, easy-going dog, especially good with kids. Gameness should not be confused with aggressiveness. There are plenty of aggressive dogs that are not game, and there are game pit bulls who are not aggressive toward other types of dogs. Aggressiveness will propell a dog into a fight but will only sustain him for the first few minutes. Gameness, on the other hand, will not necessarily make a dog fight-happy; but if the dog has no other choice but to fight, a game dog will fight until it wins or dies trying, and will keep going as long as necessary. Gameness is an inner quality of pit bulls. There is no way you can tell by looking at a pit bull whether it is deeply game or not. The only test--and for many years the main criterion for selecting a dog for breeding purposes--is actually fighting the dog to see how it stands up to other dogs that have likewise already proven their gameness in the pit. Dogs that are emotionally unstable, or that fear-bite human beings are generally not game. If you want a nice pit, you're generally better off getting one that has been game-bred. These dogs represent the truest exemplars of all the best qualities in the breed

Thats exactly right! thank you realrasta!

[RildFiemodo]

i have to disagree with you! boxers were originally bred for dog fighting!

I think you need to do your homework....

Also, some people don't know what "Game" is. They think it's the same "game" that basketball players talk about, like "hey man, he got game!!" TOTALLY different ball game.

Gameness is a trait that's extremely hard to get, and even harder to keep. Even if you bred to game dogs together, (as in, two dogs PROVEN to be game, as in, fought for however long, and showed it will keep going no matter what) you'd still have a slim chance of even one of their puppies to wind up game as well. Even IF boxers were full on match dogs like APBTs long ago, the chances of a Boxer nowdays to turn up game, would be PHENOMINAL. As in, NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

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honey im not joking!

Developed in Germany in the 19th century, Boxers were originally used for dog fighting and to run down and hold large game such as wild boar and bison until the hunter could arrive. The breed is known for standing up on its hind legs and batting at its opponent, appearing to box with its front paws. Imported to America after World War I, they began to grow in popularity in the late 1930s

They may have been used for a SHORT period of time to fight other dogs, but they were used early on for guarding. Why? Maybe cause Boxers can't hold up in a fight....

[zueqhbyhp]

Im not gonna lie i do feel stupid! you were right and i was wrong but hell they did use them for fighting! i should have did my research before i started running my mouth. im gonna be a man about this, gatorpit i owe you a big apology! im sorry next time before i run my mouth i will back it up the right way and make sure i know what im talking about! sorry!!!!

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I was reading shit like this making me believe that boxers were bred for fighting!!

The Boxer was developed in Germany in the 19th century. The Boxer's ancestors were two German mastiff type dogs, the Bullenbeiszer and the Barenbeiszer. They were later crossed with the powerful ancestors of the Mastiff and Bulldog. Early Boxers were used for dog fighting, bull baiting, cart pulling, cattle dogs, to round up livestock and to catch and pin wild boar and bison until hunters could arrive. They later became popular theater and circus dogs. The first Boxer studbook was started in 1904. Up until then the dogs varied widely in looks and size. The Boxer is known for the way it uses its front legs to bat at its opponent, appearing to be boxing with the front paws, most likely giving the dog its name. Some of the Boxer's talents are watchdog, guarding, police work, military work, search & rescue, competitive obedience, schutzhund and performing tricks. Breeders are breeding two types of Boxers, the German Boxer and the American Boxer. The German Boxers have bigger heads and are generally more muscular than American Boxers.

[casinobonusa]

If it had anything to do with prey drive, Jolene would be the gamest dog on my yard

My Grandpa had a pack of Airdale things he used to hunt bears with that he called game. They would get a bear cornered and not stop unless someone was dead. So that might be game
My grandpa did not hunt for trophy's, he hunted to kill what he hunted.
~"Coward dogs only get you in trouble"~ Grandpa quote

I would consider that game. I should broaden my definition of it to "Any dog who continues on despite injury/risk of death", perhaps? lol

[zueqhbyhp]

You can't disagree with facts. Back up your statement with facts, or back out of this particular point of discussion. And "I heard from somewhere/someone" or "I read it somewhere" are not proof of facts.

i did back it up! cant you read!

[Beauseaccerce]

Here's some "facts" that disprove your ideas of boxers being originally bred as fighting dogs:

http://www.americanboxerclub.org/boxer_history.html

http://www.boxerburns.com/the-breed

http://www.ckboxerdogs.com/origin-of...oxer-breed.php

http://www.ncbr.org/ca/meet_boxer.php

Now...there is some confusion about origin of breed vs. purpose of breed. The AKC describes them as having been originally bred for fighting, but they are just as incorrect about this as they are about the Amstaff originally being used as a bull baiter. Boxers are *descended* from breeds that were used for dog on dog combat. However, the purpose of creating the breed was not dog fighting.

Kind of like how the APBT is *descended* from breeds that were used primarily as bull baiters, but the development of the APBT was for no other purpose than as a fighting dog.

Therefore, APBTs were NOT originally used as bull baiters, however some of the breeds that were used in their creation were. This is not to say that APBTs were never used as bull baiters/catch dogs, just that bull baiting is not the reason or purpose behind creating the breed.

Boxers are the same way...except the opposite. Some of the breeds used in the development of the boxer were used as fighting dogs, but the boxer itself was not bred for this purpose. That does not mean that they were never used for this purpose, it was just not the reason for the creation of the breed.

If you wanna get real technical about it, the boxer didn't really develop into a pure breed until the early 1900's, at which point it's developers refined it for one purpose only: the show ring.

[mpxricyNimb]

Calling people out for being smarter then you isnt going to get you far....

[zueqhbyhp]

A while back i had an argument with an ole boy up the street, we was talking bulldogs, and he had all his dogs with him. I said what are your dogs mixed with? he said what do you mean i got 3 pit bulls and a boxer, i said man you dont have pitbulls you have fat mutts! he was like man my dogs are game even my boxer, i was like your dogs are'nt game and they did use boxers for fighting back in the day but over the years they have changed and he kep on running his mouth! what im trying to get to, are boxers of today game dogs?

[dgdhgjjgj]

I agree with Teal.. As far as Im concerned a dog can only show how ¨game¨ it is by being put in a pit and letting it fight.

That being said, I in no way condone dog fighting, so I will never know whether my dogs are game or not. Although I would imagine Sam is, since she forces herself to keep playing, even when shes at the point of exhastion so I have to seperate her during puppy play time so shes forced to take a break lol

[Beauseaccerce]

That's how I see it.

[casinobonusa]

i have to disagree with you! boxers were originally bred for dog fighting!

You're joking right?

They were bred from bulldogs and an extinct German breed for, as david said, hunting and protection.

[casinobonusa]

That's how I see it.

Something we agree on!? Say it isn't so!

[zueqhbyhp]

the definition of game is.... alex123' brantly

[Unlinozistimi]

i always thought the term "gameness" stood for a dogs prey drive level?
probably since i have heard many trainers of working dogs use the phrase

but then again i hear tons of people call all bully breeds pitbulls too..

[casinobonusa]

"Game" is a debatable subject. I am on the side of the argument that the only way to test gameness is in the pit.

Boxers were never pit dogs.

Therefor.. no.

[casinobonusa]

I'm not your or anyone else's honey

Where is that "back up" from? Because it's wrong. Boxers are NOT a pit breed.

[mpxricyNimb]

Links to said facts?

we was talking bulldogs we were* talking about bulldogs

[casinobonusa]

Now, now Teal...you can't really blame people in general for trusting the AKC...it takes a lot of independent thought and intellectual curiosity to go further than the first link on the google search.

But seriously...most people just don't know that the AKC is really no authority on dog breed history (or anything else for that matter), most folks believe them to be the be-all and end-all of the dog world

Yes, I can.

[Beauseaccerce]

Im not gonna lie i do feel stupid! you were right and i was wrong but hell they did use them for fighting! i should have did my research before i started running my mouth. im gonna be a man about this, gatorpit i owe you a big apology! im sorry next time before i run my mouth i will back it up the right way and make sure i know what im talking about! sorry!!!!

It's okay. i didn't get mad because I was too busy laughing at the demotivational picture. lol