[rootoronpunty]

You know what? I would have done the same fucking thing to that Mal. What would you have done? And had it been MY Own dog it would have gone all the way to the bridge.


I didn't watch the 1st video yet.

Ok I watched the 1st one. Mostly what I saw was a light kick to redirect. So I do not agree that his methods are ALL bad. I do believe that the Genial public does not need to see and try this at home...

[wmcelesta]

MsAcer, I have to respectfully disagree with you. (IMO)The dog was reactive and clearly through his body language he was escalating and beyond his threshold. I do not fault the dog for biting at Cesar. How would you react if someone was strangling you and you could not breath? It is a survival instinct. This situation with this dog in the video could have been handled in a less violent more productive way.

[anenselog]

I don't agree with Cesar Milan's methods but really, those are not kicks, they are bumps please I have bumped the dogs before to get attention..... if you are going to kick something you cock back and let fly. IMO

[ecosportpol_ru]

There is very little that Caesar does that anyone can actually get any good out of.. He would crap his pants with a real bulldog going after another dog. I have owned them for going on 30 yrs.

[anderriter]

MsAcer, I have to respectfully disagree with you. (IMO)The dog was reactive and clearly through his body language he was escalating and beyond his threshold. I do not fault the dog for biting at Cesar. How would you react if someone was strangling you and you could not breath? It is a survival instinct. This situation with this dog in the video could have been handled in a less violent more productive way.

Agreed....

You know what? I would have done the same fucking thing to that Mal. What would you have done? And had it been MY Own dog it would have gone all the way to the bridge.
Well, had it been me and I was trying to distract a dog I would not have kicked him in the growing. The dog is calmly walking at his side, he stops to talk to the lady and the only thing the dog did was perk his ears, he never took a step just perked his ears then he got kicked in the growing and admittedly responded to the pain then he is chocked to the point to he is gasping for air and his tongue is blue. Had that been my dog I would have taken the lead and kicked Cesar in the nuts and let him see how it feels and then I would have chocked him to submit....



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[viepedorlella]

That dog in the second video SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN PUT IN THAT SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! Flooding does not work!!! That poor animal was waaaaaay over threshold! That poor animal... I wish he could have just killed Caesar and saved all the dogs of the world a lot of pain...

In a real behavior adjustment training program that dog would have been worked waaaay under threshold gradually building up stimulus as he could handle it properly.
This was posted by someone else in a training thread... shows excellent comparisons between that nutcase and actual good positive behavior modification training: http://drsophiayin.com/philosophy/dominance/

Btw, thats not a mal. It might have some Malamute or Sibe in it, but its either mixed breed or a hybrid. Honestly I think it looks like an actual hybrid. Which you can't manhandle a hybrid like a dog... it'll f'ing kill your dumb ass. As ruined as that animal has been it would probably be more at peace in a sanctuary for hybrids or kindly pts. Poor thing. So disgusting to see that abuse.

I would get myself thrown in jail if some asshat ever did that shit to my girls.

And I'm sorry, you can call it bumping or kicking... there are MUCH better ways to get the point across to the dog. All those dogs are so f'ing terrified of him. It honestly make my gorge rise.

He wouldn't know what to do with real bulldogs. Hell the average person doesn't know what to do with am bully cur... as evidenced that I had to break that damn dog that attacked Lily off myself. Jeebus my dog would be dead if I didn't know and love bulldogs and I don't even own one. Waaaaaaay too many people should not get bulldogs, shepherds, northern breeds, and mixes thereof as pets. I wish Caesar would stop "advocating". Ugh, barf.

[rootoronpunty]

They called it a mal so I did. Who knows what it is ...
The first time the dog goes for the arm is when he looks at the other dog(the other dog in the family who he attacks) and Mr M uses his foot to get his "attention". I believe the dog would have kept biting the handler even if he was not choked up, as long as the handler told him he couldn't do something. I'm going to find that whole session, I bet that dog has bitten his people tons. and I bet they were not choking or even really correcting the dog.
I would LOVE to see that same dog with a behaviorist. But I have seen the same type of behavior only ~just barley managed~ by behaviorist's time and time again. Where the dog is a touch better, but still going take your arm off if pushed.

[anderriter]

They called it a mal so I did. Who knows what it is ...
The first time the dog goes for the arm is when he looks at the other dog(the other dog in the family who he attacks) and Mr M uses his foot to get his "attention". I believe the dog would have kept biting the handler even if he was not choked up, as long as the handler told him he couldn't do something. I'm going to find that whole session, I bet that dog has bitten his people tons. and I bet they were not choking or even really correcting the dog.
I would LOVE to see that same dog with a behaviorist. But I have seen the same type of behavior only ~just barley managed~ by behaviorist's time and time again. Where the dog is a touch better, but still going take your arm off if pushed.

Are we watching the same video, because the dog NEVER bit him until AFTER the kick ...please tell me the time on the video where the dog bit at the handler before being kicked in the growing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq62P...ayer_embedded#!

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at 19 seconds into the video the dog gets kicked at 20 seconds the idiot that did the kick got what he deserved. Until that point the dog was walking calm and never once went for the arm until after the kick.

[rootoronpunty]

The "mal" is calm to start with because no one has told him "no" yet. He attacks the other family dog all the time. He was not just pricking his ears. He was Targeting. I never said he bit before the kick. Read it again. He bit because he wanted to attack the other dog and someone said "no" with a foot. That was not a kick, I've kicked dogs. But you can think that's a kick if you want. The spoiled dog wants to attack the other dog yet again( a dog in it's own family). Ceazer redirects with a foot(you want to call it a kick) and the dog goes "Fuck you muther fucker" and uses his teeth. I could bet money that this dog has trained the human family that "if you tell me no in any way I'll bite you bad" and has on many occasions. The dog is unsound or some hybrid thing.
I do not think a behaviorist would help that dog. The dog would still bite people who said no.