[mitiaycatq]

A really sad (and disturbing) thing going on near me. Someone I know (I will omit certain information), has a litter of 6 puppies from the dog she loves.... and the dog she doesn't like, had a litter of 7 puppies under the house, which is not insulated and open to the cold night air. Anyway, she called to tell me that the "other dog" came up missing, and she had to dig the pups out from under the house. One died, and she is having to bottle feed the 6, but instead of bottle feeding, she is syringe feeding them kitten milk.

She couldn't get her other dog to take them on to nurse, but she refused. I went over to take her some newspapers to line the cage, and the "liked" dog jumped up on the couch. I started petting and sweet talking her, and slowly put a puppy up to her over filled nipples. The pup started nursing immediately, and I slowly added another then another pup, until I had all 6 pups nursing of her. She laid down and started snoring, LOL. She is going to call the Humane Society to see if she can take them over there because it's so much trouble taking care of them and feeding them. I told her they should start eating soft food in about a week (they are 3 weeks now), but she insists on getting rid of them to the HS.

I offered to see if I could get her some low cost spay/neuter gift certificates, but she wasn't interested. She didn't say no, but I could tell, she wasn't interested at all in getting her dogs fixed, because she has "pure bred" Boston Terriers and she can sell those pups for good money, but the other dogs pups are Lab mix. They are cute pups, but mutts... probably not far behind the BT's, who I am sure haven't earned the right to be bred.

There is really not a lot I can do at this point, other than be completely ticked off because she seems to just not care about the fact that she is putting more dogs out there. I told her that foster homes are full up because there are way more dogs than there are homes for them... it didn't seem to register.

I get so frustrated with people who seem oblivious to the over population of dogs in our area.... and they just keep adding to the problem. This is not her first litter of BT's, and she has 2 females, so both of them have had previous litters. Now she thinks her Lab that is tied up outside is pregnant because she came in heat and her male pit bull got off his chain to get to her because, wouldn't you know it, he's not neutered. That will be yet another litter of puppies, 3 litters of puppies in less than six months from this one person alone.

It just really drives me nuts, yet I cannot get through to her or get her to realize that these cute little puppies will end up at shelters just like all the other puppies that someone thought was adorable, until they started peeing on the carpet, or chewing on shoes, or ripping up the carpet or who knows what else.... like most puppies that end up at shelters because they outgrew their cuteness.

They are Lab mutts, she said the mother of the lab was a pit bull,... but the mother of the pups looked like a Lab to me. She would never let me touch her but she was small.. well, maybe 50 lbs, all her dogs are underfed, so I'm not sure how much she weighed... I'd say 40-60 lbs... adorable pups, 2 black, 2 chocolates, and and 2 chocolate spotted.... all females. Sometimes humans really drive me bonkers!

[veizKinquiz]

I am sorry..this is such a tough situation. Some people shouldn't have animals.

[xtc2d6u8]

I really dislike that lady right now,

[fotodemujerahldesnugdo]

just wow...that is just so aggravating! can you just slap her till she gets her mutts fixed (as in ALL her dogs hehe) that is just beyond stupid

[lXvtm0ox]

Do you value this friendship? If not, chew her out to make yourself feel better and maybe penetrate her thick skull. If she decided to no longer speak to you, would that be a real loss?

If you want to maintain the friendship you could try again on the speuter certificates and if that fails, maybe have someone from AC or the HS come out to her place. Have them check on the underfed dogs and see if they can convince her to speuter. Not trying to get her into trouble or anything, but having a professional chat with her about the overpopulation problem and the reality of what happens to mutt pups might wake her up.

[tobia]

Ugh I'm sorry. I do not like morons either. Its so hard to watch that kind of thing and have your hands tied. But you can't kill yourself trying to help everything either.

[maxfreemann]

I'm sorry that you had to deal with this. People are stupid that's all it comes down to. Sadly I'm afraid you have done pretty much all you can do. At this point all you can do is hope that she does the right thing. However if she allowed that dog to escape and she isn't fond of that dog and doesn't want to help the pups. Maybe the pups all should go to the shelter. Heck maybe urge her to send the Momma too. Atleast they'd have a better chance at a better life than staying with her. Though convincing her to give up the momma might be tough. Atleast if they go to the humane society all the pups will be spayed/neutered before adoption. And puppies go fast, they will most likely all get homes.

Some people just shouldn't own pets

[seervezex]

That is aweful and so sad, and I'm so sorry..

[rNr5Di3S]

The next time you see her, put half the puppies on one side of the room and half the puppies on the other side and make sure you split up the ones she maybe think are cute or she's attached to. Say ok, now choose? Statistics say that half of the puppies that go into shelters end up dying. So choose, group A or group B?

That is the choice she is making by her irresponsible breeding. Think back to all the ones she's already shipped off to a shelter and unfortunately, the future litters as well.

[mitiaycatq]

I have the pups with me today at work

Hopefully, Woot has fixed me up with a rescue that is doing transport in my area today. She was going to be in town at 8, but apparently had some kind of delay. I am still waiting for her to call so I can let her take them.

They are fine, but when they get hungry, they are LOUD!! Especially if you are in an office and NOT supposed to have dogs here.... everyone already doesn't want me bringing dogs up here because I have brought my vicious pit bulls Mollie and Bella up here.

My daughter was off work today (thank God!) and came with me to work. I have a meeting at 1:00 (still hasn't started though), and if the lady calls while I'm in the meeting, I would be screwed. So she has gone to Walmart, with my phone, and I'm about to go into the meeting.

We fed them around 10:30, and they ALL started freaking out and screaming!!! I gave up on trying to feed them one at a time with that stinking syringe. I poked their little heads in the milk and they started lapping it right up! I was glad too because that way I could feed 3, then the other 3. It was a lot easier than trying to feed hungry pups one at a time, but they were still loud, and took forever to settle down and fall asleep after they ate. They kept squirming and grunting... it would have been adorable if not for the fact that I was AT WORK!!

Anyway, they are all asleep now, and when someone comes in my office to tell me something, I am like "SHHHH!!!!" just like if I had a baby in here! I don't know what to do about getting them to potty. I am sure they will all need to when they wake up, but really, I don't see the point in taking them outside to potty, they don't even have their eyes open all the way. I haven't raised a litter of puppies since I was 18, and I'm a long way from that now... plus, I'm more responsible now than I was then. So, any suggestions would be appreciated.

[purchasviagra]

Yay for saving the puppies! I have no practical advice on how to care for them. I have no experience there...but I'm glad you got them. I also seriously doubt you can do anything more with the woman you took them from. We can cross our fingers and hope she learned a lesson from this, but odds are good she didn't.

[veizKinquiz]

I am so glad you took them. You rock.

[rNr5Di3S]

Nana - you are awesome! I'd take one if I could, but you are well aware of my situation! Good luck and snuggle them puppies while you can! How can you even concentrate on work? I'd be too busy playing with the pups!

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And I want puppy pics!

[lXvtm0ox]

I think you're supposed to stimulate potty with a warm, wet, rag wiped along their bottoms a few times because the mother would normally lick them to get them to go, but I don't know how long that's necessary before they go on their own.

[Brutton]

I'd either "defriend" the lady, or tell her that she and and I can't talk about dogs (animals) anymore. I couldn't be as level headed about the situation as you're being...and helpful too. Good on you!

You'll have to do the warm rag thing if they don't go on their own...and to be honest I'd probably do it just incase...rather do that then have them get backed up.

[cholleyhomeob]

I'd have brought her over a bucket full of water and told her to save the HS some time and take care of the problem herself. But I'm not a very nice person.

[mitiaycatq]

YAY for saving the puppies! I have no practical advice on how to care for them. I have no experience there...but I'm glad you got them. I also seriously doubt you can do anything more with the woman you took them from. We can cross our fingers and hope she learned a lesson from this, but odds are good she didn't.

I can guarantee you she learned NOTHING from it. This isn't her first litter of mutt pups, and it won't be her last. She thinks her other Lab that is chained up is pregnant. She came in heat and her sons (beautiful) pit bull who is unaltered, broke his chain to get to her. I spent $20 on swivel hooks and heavy duty clamps for his chain (all 6 feet of it that he has), and didn't ask her to reimburse me because I know she doesn't have the money. I just wanted him to not get his chain kinked up and have at least a little room to move.

When she was on vacation this summer, I went over with bleach and cleaned all of her dogs green water buckets so they had actual FRESH water... they are green again. She is smart, has some kind of medical degree... but common sense, she has none. She's very poor, way too poor to have as many dogs as she has.... 13, if you don't count the 6 puppies I took, and the mother that came up missing.. that would make 20 dogs total before the mother came up missing and I took the puppies off her hands. Plus she had 2 pet rabbits, that one of the dogs got and killed this past week. I think it was the now missing mama dog that got the rabbits... (which makes me wonder if that dog actually came up missing or not), and about 3 cats that I know of, maybe more.

Oh, and she has a horse that someone GAVE her (probably because they couldn't afford it, not that she can). When I went over to feed them while she was out of town, I took pictures of the horse. I know nothing about horses, my late sister was the horse expert, but I knew enough to know that horse was WAY under weight. I said something to her about it, she blamed it on the previous owner (which could have been true, I have no idea). But now, the horse looks a little better, she just has no shelter or stall.

Anyway, I have talked to her till I am blue in the face, and it never does any good. I'm way out in the country, so we have few neighbors, and I don't want to make any enemies.... we already have one enemy as it is, simply because the new people that moved in had a 17 yr old grandson living with them (bad situation with mom and dad, but dad lives with them now too). Anyway, grand dad died this past March from cancer, and grand mom is very mean to the kid (I have witnessed it). Dad stays drunk and can't keep a job (I know all this because the 17 yr old told me ). Anyway, he was helping me with my garden this past spring, tilled it up and helped me get it ready to plant... he fixed my wheel barrel and also cut up a tree that had fallen and hauled it to the woods for me. I paid the kid $100 for helping me because I had planned for him to help me all summer. I would have been paying him a little more as the summer went on, but that money was to get started and all. Grand mom threw a fit because I paid him that much. They had a knock down drag out fight 2 days later over something, and grand mom and dad told him to get out and never come back. This was at 10pm. They locked him out of the house, so he comes over and asks us if he can sleep in the truck outside. This was like June, and it was way too hot for him to sleep outside, so I let him come in and sleep in Meagan's room because she was out of town that weekend. They ended up calling the Sheriff and a big stink ensued. The guy from the sheriff dept met with us and told us there was a lot of problems in that house and we did the right thing by letting him come inside. End result, they hate us and won't let the boy even wave at us if he is outside.

Soooo.... I don't want to make another enemy with this girl across the road. She offered me a Boston Terrier pup for my troubles of feeding/watering them, and I told her I had more than I could afford to feed as it was (hint, hint!!). She plans to sell the pups, and I am sure one of the 2 females will be pregnant again before summer.

Now she may have another dog that is pregnant, the Lab. I have given her the gift certificates to fill out and send in to get her dogs spayed/neutered for $25 each. That's a good deal because around here it cost anywhere from $125-$150 or more to spay a dog. She never used them. My only option is to tell her I will pay to have each of her dogs spayed and take them/pick them up. I don't know if she will let me, and she for sure won't let me take the Lab for a spay/abort if she is pregnant.

I try to stay friendly, but not too friendly. I try to help her, give her tips and ideas and tell her things to do, like pumpkin when one of her dogs was sick. I even gave her a large can of pumpkin and told her how to feed it to them.... I doubt she ever did. She had a female pit bull with diarrhea that she couldn't afford to take to the vet, and then the dog was gone, so I don't know what happened to her.

I don't want to cut off that connection, because I feel like I can help her. God knows what would have happened to those pups if I hadn't been able to get them. She would just give them away to whoever would take them, or worse, keep them and let them breed.

Anyway, the pups are off to Middle TN. The girl from transport picked them up this afternoon and they are off to a much better future than they could have faced. I just hope and pray one day I will be able to get through to her and get her to spay her dang dogs.... but some how, I doubt that is going to happen.

[23InetrySypekek]

Only one clear option that is good for the dogs and the owner. Put them all to sleep. Less dogs in the world saves other dogs and this owner will not be breeding more dogs again. It's what is referred to as a win win solution.

[mitiaycatq]

Went over tonight to take her a tie out cable I had in my truck, because the possibly pregnant Lab broke her tie out. I was wrong about the number of dogs.. she has 5 BT's, so she had a total of 21 dogs.... and a friend of hers is giving her a donkey. I just cannot do anything to get through to her. I give up on trying to educate her, I just try to help if she goes out of town by feeding the dogs. I feel sorry for them.... none of them get any attention, especially the dogs that outside on tie outs. I'm not even sure they get fed every day. It breaks my heart, but there is nothing I can do. I have 5 dogs and 2 cats and that's way too many animals.... I never planned to have that many dogs, and I won't have that many in the future, but at least I can rest easy knowing that I have given 5 dogs better lives than they may have had otherwise. But this girl??? I swear, I don't think there is any hope for her, and most of you that know me, know that I never say anything like that, but with her, it's true.

[Alexeryy]

Sounds like you're doing all you can. You can't help someone who doesn't want help,and as much as we know you want to help;sometimes all you can do is just walk away and save yourself the heartache.