[Hedkffiz]

Hey Has anyone heard of the Sit Means Sit program? It's a Dog training program and I was seeeing if anyone heard of them and if so if your pitbull has done it?

[10traistintarry]

I've heard bad things - that they are abusive and use shock collars.

[xyznicks]

Sorry I haven't heard anything about them. Maybe do a goodle search and see if you can find any information and reviews of the program

[arcalmanard]

I've heard nothing but bad about that program.

[tobia]

I know the guy who does it locally. If you want to have to depend on an e-collar for everything go right ahead....

There are better ways to train your dog. Far better ways.

[xyznicks]

I just looked it up and I am reading some negative things, on top of the methods people are saying the price is rediculous.


Seriously Google it and just sort though the reviews. And then decide

[arcalmanard]

Have you guys seen some of the classroom videos out there? Half the dogs look afraid to do anything for fear of a shock.

[tobia]

I haven't, but I'm not surprised. One guy who brings his dobe out for PP went through the class with his dog prior. His dog minds.... when the collar is on. Needless to say he's learning how to teach him more positively now. He's a sweet dog and sure doesn't need it.

[payowlirriply]

Fred Hassen, I think he's the founder is a huge e-collar pusher. He had a seminar, 5 years or more ago that I went to and even then, before I was as educated as I am now about more positive methods, I was apalled. The woman that informed me of the clinic, who I went with, uses e-collars in all her training and while I didn't agree I dismissed it because she does field trialling with her dogs and it seems to be very commonly accepted there.

I'm not anti- e-collar's, but I am anti- excessive force when not necessary. Shock collars on 6 month old puppies is unnecessary force in my honest opinion, especially when they're used for literally every command taught.

A video of Fred and one of his students and his dear Mali puppy was posted on another dog forum where they were attempting to demonstrate the use of an e-collar as a reward marker... I don't believe that e-collars when used properly are necessarily painful to dogs, but I think if you're to use an e-collar, you have to be honest with yourself, knowing that e-collars are very useful tools because the dog does not like the feeling, it is an aversive. That video put the nail in the coffin if you will about my opinion of Fred/Sit Means Sit. Making propaganda videos that portray e-collars as a happy, lollipop and rainbows tool that dogs just love is crossing a line IMO. (ETA - Because I've seen people spout off about how much their dog loves their e-collar, they get so excited etc. Some people will actually watch that video, buy an e-collar and use it as a reward marker. Just barbaric if you ask me)

[pE71J5Sw]

I'm not anti- e-collar's, but I am anti- excessive force when not necessary.

This.

I've heard nothing but bad things about that program and there are a lot of easier more fun ways to teach your dog something as simple as the basic commands

[drgshmcm]

If Sit Means Sit were the only trainers in town...I'd get some books and figure it out myself.