[Qxkmsxsx]

I ran into this breed a few years back and loved the look of them. They are truly a beautiful dog. But they are however a mutt. Yes they have made the bloodlines to be pure. As in they produce a Canis panther and not one of the breeds that were used to make it. So I just wanted to know your opinions on the breed.
In this breed for who does not know is the dobe, staffordshire , black lab and great dane. Here is a pic.

It's like a staff head and chest muscle on a dobe body. Beautiful dog.

[payowlirriply]

I really like the physical appearance of the Canis Panther and it's temperament has always interested me. They were a "breed" at the top of my list a few years ago, was in contact with a breeder, but I personally felt that this particular breeder was too focused on making great pets, whereas I'm looking for a dog that can work.

I like a dog with an edge so Dobermans have always been in my top 3 breeds. Staffordshire's have a tenacity, a well bred Dane can have quite an edgy/protective temperament and some lab to balance it all out. I think if you got the right puppy, it could be an excellent working dog, very well rounded, stable and with that edge that I love, but finding a breeder is hard. It was a few years back I was seriously looking and I only found 3 breeders, one of which was apparently a founder and the website was seriously outdated. They were pricey, the breeder I spoke to charges $3,500 a pup and I personally felt the application process, or lack thereof wasn't up to par with my standards.

Very interesting mix when it comes to temperament and appearance wise, stunning and regal in my opinion.

[Jannet.K]

I moved your post to the General Discussions Section of the forum. Hopefully you'll get more responses here.


I like the look of the Canis Panther, but I'm not sure I could personally handle one.

[lopezsokero]

Compared to people who have actually produced lines of working bandogs, (Lucero, Blockbuster, Manson, Donovan Pinscher), I don't think anyone's ever accomplished anything w/a canis panther, except some of their own made up titles. I'm surprised they're still around.

[Qxkmsxsx]

Compared to people who have actually produced lines of working bandogs, (Lucero, Blockbuster, Manson, Donovan Pinscher), I don't think anyone's ever accomplished anything w/a canis panther, except some of their own made up titles. I'm surprised they're still around.

What are the ones you listed made up of? I found the Donovan. Pretty dog, but again why mix the breeds.....

[desmond001]

What are the ones you listed made up of? I found the Donovan. Pretty dog, but again why mix the breeds.....

PM SilentDobe, she has a Donovan or two!

[lopezsokero]

What are the ones you listed made up of? I found the Donovan. Pretty dog, but again why mix the breeds.....

I consider the canis panther no more a breed than any other bandog that's a few generations deep. I think Manson dogs have a large American Bulldog (not American Bully) component. The Blockbuster dogs utilize neopolitan mastiff. Lucero is one of the founding lines of bandog.

[streMunford]

Bleh, didn't know they had Lab in them... They have a nice look but I'm not a fan. I don't like Danes much (I have a hard time liking breeds which have changed so much from their historical working origins) and I definitely don't like Labs.

[anolbom]

Its a nice looking dog, but with such a mix is the temperment solid?

[xyznicks]

Its a nice looking dog, but with such a mix is the temperment solid?

That's what I was wondering too. Its an awesome looking dog but what about the temperment?

[HassFks]

I think the physical appearance is striking and it's a beautifully sleek dog. I haven't heard of them before today, interesting mix, but why create more mutts instead of improve upon the breeds we already have. Was it just for looks or for a purpose?

[Qxkmsxsx]

They are a working dog. Like the donovans they are used in police force. I think the article I read said they were bred to be the ultimate guard dog. Also said had great temperaments and make great family pets.
I agree with you guys on the mixing of breeds. They are a beautiful dog but why?!?!? why mix so many breeds.

[investor]

The only people I've heard say they have great temperaments are the breeders.

I've also never actually heard of one being used in police work - it is what the breeders wanted, but like someone else said, the breed is not accomplishing much of anything in any reputable area.

The ones I have met were sketchy in temperament, to say the least. Very guardy, but without the proper mindset to know when to guard and when to chill out.

[KLhdfskja]

The only people I've heard say they have great temperaments are the breeders.

I've also never actually heard of one being used in police work - it is what the breeders wanted, but like someone else said, the breed is not accomplishing much of anything in any reputable area.

The ones I have met were sketchy in temperament, to say the least. Very guardy, but without the proper mindset to know when to guard and when to chill out.

I think they are beautiful, but have read this elsewhere when I was looking into them. I have never met one, so this is reading on websites.

[lopezsokero]

I'm eager to see evidence of any title or certification on any of them, even a CGC. I am excluding the made up Rock of Ages titles (which include titling yourself a "Master Trainer".

[payowlirriply]

Someone on another dog forum I'm on has two of them from Lori. They seem to be great pets. They don't have a hint of dog aggression, just all around good house dogs. I wouldn't know about working ability, but the person doesn't do anything with them.

With a rare hybrid/breed not having titles is not an immediate dismissal IMO. My friend is heavily involved in Shiloh Shepherds a breed that's been around since the 80's I believe, and her male was the first to ever earn a TD which she had to do through the NAMBR registry. If she decided to take a few hours one day to train she would also be the first to ever earn a Rally title. She wasn't even going to bother with the TD because she trains with an SAR team and she knew it would be a cake walk for her 10 month old dog. She went because it was something we did together.

That does not mean that Shilohs are not good working dogs, it just means that their owners are a) not competing for titles b) not interested in training for sporting events etc. I'm not saying I agree with those choices, just the bottom line being; just because a dog doesn't have a working title, does not mean that they are not a good working dog. Heck, our SAR mentor's Mal doesn't have any titles actually now that I think about it... Oh she might have her CD, but she doesn't have any "tracking titles". She is certified with our provincial police as well as an international SAR registry though.

I know an ACD breeder. I would have said she bred breed ring dogs until I saw a half dozen of her dogs at a herding instinct test. A good breeder is 100% capable of retaining critical breed characteristics to ensure working capability. I'm not saying that I know this is the case with the Canis Panther, but it does happen, I've seen it myself.

All breeds of dogs come from a mix of some sort, so to say that mixing a number of dogs is unacceptable take a look at the breeds we have around today. I personally don't think there's a need for "new breeds", we have enough, but in reality all of our dogs come from a mix, and if there's a breed standard, health testing is being done and the breed is breeding true at least there's an effort being made.

[pE71J5Sw]

I'm largely unimpressed. IMO it's a Doberman that was crossbred and still ended up a Doberman.

While unusual to see the breed has been around since the 1970's, which is more than enough time for kennels to be putting up a titled dog or solid examples of "working stock" actually working, which I really don't see. Personally if I wanted a dog for protection and/or work within those lines I'd go grab a breed already established to be good at it, like a Fila

[lopezsokero]

K9Love, I started seeing the shiloh's around in the 90's myself, when the only venue to show American Bulldogs was the Rare Breeds shows.

Around that same time period, rock of Ages (Gypsy and Lori) were more present on the internet, making many claims about how amazing the canis panthers were. However, these claims did not hold up under any kind of scrutiny. So, my skepticism is based on those long ago claims. And honestly, if you're going to state something like "Faced with this dilemma, the only solution was to create a dog, not just a dog, and the ultimate dog for personal protection." you should be able to prove it in some type of competitive venue.

I don't believe that titles make a dog. But I do believe that you're going to claim that a dog has, and produces, a working ability, you need to be able to prove it objectively.

[payowlirriply]

I agree Leslie. 100%.

I in no way think that a reputable, honest, breeder, that truly believed in their dogs' working ability would shy away from titling in recognized venues, or even more to train for said sports that their breed is supposed to excell in. In regards to the breeders of the Canis Panther I agree that if statements like that are going to be made, very specific statements there should be some kind of standard to prove those statements (recognized, standardized testing like SchH (which was created to assess the working ability of the GSD), Ring sports, PP etc), my post was more in regards to the mix itself. Not the lack of effort that's been put forth in getting those dogs out there and proving their worth, of which I do agree with you.

I personally see that a mix like that could produce an excellent all around dog, that generally would make a good house pet with little to no animal aggression but still with the edge, trainability and independence that a handler requires in a good working dog, perhaps without the manic energy and drives of a Belgian for instance. I love watching high energy, high drive dogs work, but my personal preference because of my training style is a dog that's more laid back, thinks and just overall has a quieter style.

So just to reiterate, my post was more directed towards the actual dogs themselves, and I agree completely that breeders have made quite bold statements with nothing much to back it up.