[disappointment2]

Greetings all i have a few issues i want addressed. First of all i have a 8month old male lonzo/damien/ozzie stephens dog and i purchased a female watchdog/gotti/re how do i get them to get along????second i want to know the low down on my female shes doesnt look bully at all. Explain to me y they say shes not a apbt and shes adba registered. Thirdly what would be a good cross for my male ??? Please no personal views only knowledgeable responses ty. Future dogman

[Adimonnna]

They might not get along.Comes with the territory of owning the breed. I imagine you would want to get your male doing things before you think of breeding.

[disappointment2]

doing thing like what ???

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so do u think they can coexsist???

[Adimonnna]

Doing things to make the dog worthy of being bred. If they don't like each now my guess would be no they won't get along but you're the one who sees them everyday.

[Ruidselisse]

the person who sold you the female told you the truth, she is not an apbt, she is an ambully... the lines she comes from, the ones you mention, are ambully lines, congrats to your breeder for telling you the truth, many of them call their dogs apbt when they are not...
as to asking for only knowledgeable responses and not personal opinions, I am not sure how you separate those two.. knowledge gives you an opinion.....although, you can have an opinion without knowledge, which is what some folks have when they go into breeding .....
knowledge of not only the breeds, but of breeding, its pros and cons, will cause some folks to ask you why you are taking steps to breed dogs that at this point have accomplished nothing that shows them worthy of breeding, at least not for the betterment of the breed....
it takes more than having some dogs to be a dogman...the rest are just backyard breeders....

[scewDeasp]

i purchased a female watchdog/gotti/re how do i get them to get along????second i want to know the low down on my female shes doesnt look bully at all. Explain to me y they say shes not a apbt and shes adba registered.

Well, according to the "bully" owners and breeders, it does not matter WHAT your dog looks like -- it could look like a Greyhound and if it has that kind of pedigree, it's what's called an "American Bully".

...got a hint yet on what a scam the whole "Bullie" thing IS?

Carla

[Keyclenef]

Greetings all i have a few issues i want addressed. First of all i have a 8month old male lonzo/damien/ozzie stephens dog and i purchased a female watchdog/gotti/re how do i get them to get along????second i want to know the low down on my female shes doesnt look bully at all. Explain to me y they say shes not a apbt and shes adba registered. Thirdly what would be a good cross for my male ??? Please no personal views only knowledgeable responses ty. Future dogman

You should post the behavior question in out Training & Behavior Section. You will get more responses there.

[disappointment2]

so y does adba register these dogs as apbt???

[scewDeasp]

so y does adba register these dogs as apbt???

If your dog has ADBA papers, it can be registered with them.

Your dog may or may not be a good example of the breed, it may or may not win at ADBA shows, but it would still be registerable with the correct papers. It's up to you if you want to register with the "bully" registry and won't be hard as they accept about anything. Up to you.

The whole bully thing is confusing and really is more of a fad than anything else. They really aren't "recognized" by legitmate registries. Honestly, you shouldn't worry about it. Register your dog with ADBA and learn about the American Pit Bull Terrier and what makes a good one of those. If your dog has faults, learn about THOSE.

Carla

[disappointment2]

and to counter anyone who questions another mans desire to breed a dog he sees fit WHO is ANYBODY to question my intentions ,my purpose or my love for the breed.seeing that dogfighting is now illiegal what ways do u vets suggest??? i can make my dog fire up jump sit stay bark if someone comes to the door and protect my home is he not worthy of breeding?? would his offspring not make some other family proud apbt owners ??? whos to say he wont produce the next zebo???im sure in your day there was trial and error in order to get what u wanted to achieve so why the hell is it different when the next man with maybe less experience but the same love for the breed???

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both my dogs are adba registered and as ive seen here opinions are like a-holes everyone has one but i would like to know history and facts not what u feel think or heard

[scewDeasp]

both my dogs are adba registered and as ive seen here opinions are like a-holes everyone has one but i would like to know history and facts not what u feel think or heard

...then study the American Pit Bull Terrier and all it's aspects; and ignore the whole American Bully thing.

Do that for several years, get out and do things with your dogs, be sure you have your own home and a good job before you go any further with thinking about breeding. EVERYONE is breeding Pit Bulls these days. Dare to be different.

There are essentially no good homes for these dogs anymore. Love of the breed is not a good enough excuse for breeding.

Carla

[Ruidselisse]

and to counter anyone who questions another mans desire to breed a dog he sees fit WHO is ANYBODY to question my intentions ,my purpose or my love for the breed.
no one can question your right to do what you want with your property...
that was not what I was talking about....my questions or concerns have to do with the validity of your reasoning for doing such a thing...
1. There is no need for the animals you are considering breeding
2. by the questions you ask, and they are legitimate questions, you do not have the experience with the breed to undertake such a task
3. you must ask yourself, is your personal desire adequate reason to breed these dogs, when there are already too many of them out there... there are already more of these dogs than there are responsible homes for them to go to.
4. no personal disrespect to you intended, but maybe you should just stick to these dogs as pets.. until you have more experience with and knowledge of not only the breed, but what all breeding entails... the responsibility of breeding....
5. again no disrespect intended, but it seems you have hero worship and want to be like the dogmen of the past...when that day and the need for them is gone...




seeing that dogfighting is now illegal what ways do u vets suggest??? i can make my dog fire up jump sit stay bark if someone comes to the door and protect my home is he not worthy of breeding??
here again, these dogs are not suited for home and personal protection...
and if the dog you have does this, NO it does not make him/her worthy of breeding as it is not a breed standard....


would his offspring not make some other family proud apbt owners ???
there are already too many apbt dogs out there....no more are needed to provide all the dogs for the responsible owners out there...just check your want adds, and craigslist... they are listed by the hundreds every day...
there are already too many dogs out there now, no more breeders of pet quality dogs are needed... your breeding of your dogs may make you feel good, but will just add to the overall problem, which is why I said for you to ask yourself if your desire to breed dogs is really a good enough reason to do so... you will be affecting much more than just yourself...



whos to say he wont produce the next zebo???
do we really need any more zebo's?


im sure in your day there was trial and error in order to get what u wanted to achieve so why the hell is it different when the next man with maybe less experience but the same love for the breed???
times have changed...when I got my first apbt, they were still Americas dog... there was no such thing as BSL, nor was there an overpopulation of these dogs back then... if you truly loved the breed, then you would want to do nothing to hurt it... and indiscriminate breeding of un-needed pet quality dogs does just that .. it hurts the breed...
I have nothing against breeding quality dogs, dogs that have proved themselves in some way, champion dogs... their off spring alone would provide all the dogs we need in this day and time....and some of their offspring will be pet quality dogs... champion lines do not produce all champion dogs...


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both my dogs are adba registered and as ive seen here opinions are like a-holes everyone has one but i would like to know history and facts not what u feel think or heard

yep everyone has opinions, just like they have assholes...but when you have the facts.. like the ones I have mentioned above... it keeps your opinions from stinking....
there may come a time, that you have the knowledge and experience to consider breeding.. and when that time comes you may have access to dogs that are worthy of breeding... but from your statements and questions, that time has not yet come...

[CowextetleSix]

Do that for several years, get out and do things with your dogs, be sure you have your own home and a good job before you go any further with thinking about breeding. EVERYONE is breeding Pit Bulls these days. Dare to be different.

There are essentially no good homes for these dogs anymore. Love of the breed is not a good enough excuse for breeding.

Carla

Excellent post.

To the OP, I suggest you take a walk through some shelters here in the US. In my area, our shelters are packed to the BRIM with pit bull type dogs, from every age, every size, every color. So called "rare" colors show up in our shelters DAILY. They receive litters upon litters of pit bull type puppies weekly. It's a sad, sad thing. Pit bulls are also the #1 euthanized breed in kill shelters because there are so many of them, its crazy. Are you going to feel okay knowing by breeding your "good pet", you'll be contributing to this? To the euthanization of pit bull type dogs, from puppies to the older ones, every day? You cannot absolutely guarantee you will be able to find perfect, forever homes for your puppies.

In the words of our dear member South Atlanta Bullies,

"Look the hundreds of dogs that will most likely have to be euthanized in the eyes and try to explain why your dog deserves to be bred but they deserve to die."

[ViaplyVuple]

Excellent post.

To the OP, I suggest you take a walk through some shelters here in the US. In my area, our shelters are packed to the BRIM with pit bull type dogs, from every age, every size, every color. So called "rare" colors show up in our shelters DAILY. They receive litters upon litters of pit bull type puppies weekly. It's a sad, sad thing. Pit bulls are also the #1 euthanized breed in kill shelters because there are so many of them, its crazy. Are you going to feel okay knowing by breeding your "good pet", you'll be contributing to this? To the euthanization of pit bull type dogs, from puppies to the older ones, every day? You cannot absolutely guarantee you will be able to find perfect, forever homes for your puppies.

In the words of our dear member South Atlanta Bullies,

"Look the hundreds of dogs that will most likely have to be euthanized in the eyes and try to explain why your dog deserves to be bred but they deserve to die."

To the OP, I think you should read the story behind the above quote: Some people have to learn the hard way... - General Dog Discussions

[CowextetleSix]

oops. I quoted the wrong member, I apologize! i ALWAYS get your member names mixed up. I'm sorry!!

[weluvjessicaalba]

"produce the next Zebo" LMMFAO

heres some good advice, so pay attention...
get your dogs spayed/neutered. based on your posts its obvious you dont know squat about these dogs and by the time you do know enough to consider breeding the two you have now will be too old anyway.

[JesikaFclq]

and to counter anyone who questions another mans desire to breed a dog he sees fit WHO is ANYBODY to question my intentions ,my purpose or my love for the breed.seeing that dogfighting is now illiegal what ways do u vets suggest??? i can make my dog fire up jump sit stay bark if someone comes to the door and protect my home is he not worthy of breeding?? would his offspring not make some other family proud apbt owners ??? whos to say he wont produce the next zebo???im sure in your day there was trial and error in order to get what u wanted to achieve so why the hell is it different when the next man with maybe less experience but the same love for the breed???

Not everyone is cut out for an APBT, or even a pit bull mix or an Am Bully. Heck, most people can't even handle owning a cat or goldfish. I can count 6 people I know personally off the top of my head who got a pit bull after meeting mine, who pawned them off on some fool or rescue because they couldn't handle their energy, or how stubborn they can be, or dog aggression.

There are many competitions you can do through ADBA. Weight pull, conformation, any dog sport really. Just because dog fighting is illegal doesn't mean there are no ways to prove your dog is worthy of breeding aside from being a good house dog/pet.

Go to some ADBA shows, check out what's going on there, talk to people there who compete their dogs. You'll make some friends, and get some really good advice as to where to start.

[giftbestcom]

If you don't even know if your dogs are going to get along (or why APBT don't usually get along with other dogs) or how to properly introduce a new dog to your household, why do you think you're qualified to breed?

[disappointment2]

I want to thank u all for your well taken replys but no thanks to the people so full of themselves they cant see with time comes change and for the record i would like to know what is it that u self righteous sobs are doing so well to preserve the breed where were u vanguards when lonzo pratts whole yard was scattered across the world. Where were the vanguards when asshole old timers made it hott to even own a apbt.i think people here are more so trying to boost promote and perserve there own ego with there hearsay stories and feelings.like talking to a woman.(i feekl this , i feel that)not one person has talked facts history or even directed me to a source to learn, bit best believe im aware, im in tune and still learning.u all started from some point with a goal in mind y is it different for me ???? Fuck your feelings feed me facts history or a source that will.

[JesikaFclq]

Like I said, check the ADBA website, go to some shows and check everything out and talk to people who are involved. Sign up for your local clubs (you can google APBT clubs in your area I'm sure). There's a lot to learn that doesn't come from links or books, only from experience, like minded acquaintances and mentors.