[agildeta]

... Etc etc etc. and all. Do I thin Mj should be illegal, no. But do I think it is totally harmless and totally non-addictive and on top of that god's gift to everything good and pure, koom-bay-ahhh. HELL fucking no.

ALL of my best friends and half of my immediate family would disagree, but that is only because they are stupid pot heads.

Is it worse than alcohol, no. Is it the devil weed, no. But does it make people stooopid, and are people addicted to it, sorry but DUH of course.

I would think you people wouldn't just believe everything you here in the media since you all have to deal with all negative stigma of owning a pitbull and seeing all the lies the media and government officials make about our dogs. It's shocking to me just how brainwashed people are.

Hey BILLBKLYN maybe you should try responding with "facts" that come from studies that aren't financed by the Government or maybe just something factual at all. The Gov. doesn't allow almost any of the pot studies to be done in this country unless the study involves trying to prove its negative effects. Otherwise they will not allow the study to be done in the US and they will not supply the study with gov. pot to do the study. Which is the only way it's legal to do a marijuana study in this country. That is why the the majority of marijuana studies are done in other countries like Israel and Spain. That's why the scientist who discovered and named THC is from Israel.

There are many fascinating studies coming from those countries that show amazing medical results. One study I remember reading about that was done in Spain involved shrinking cancerous tumors by injecting THC directly into the tumors on rats. Other studies have shown how THC does this by going after the VEGF receptors. It has to do with cutting off blood flow and the growth of new blood vessels to the tumors but not to the healthy parts of your body . Pharmaceutical companies are now studying this and currently trying to create a drug they can patent to do the same thing. Other studies show marijuana can fight cancer by apoptosis(programed cell death). This is similar to what chemo or radiation do except they kill all cells in your body while marijuana only goes after(free radicals) the damaged or cancerous cells. There are studies going on all over the world proving marijuana's medical worth but many people are just to brainwashed and ignorant to care because "pot is bad, mmk".

You guys/girls need to do your homework and get your facts straight on Pot! Pot has been being used since the beginning of mankind as medicine and has never killed anyone. While at least 625,000 individuals in the Americas die each year from tobacco use, according to the Pan American Health Organization.

[M_Marked]

Its only illegal to hunt deer with dogs here,but you can use dogs to hunt anything else.
I dont see a problem with hunting with dogs or matching dogs with CR.
As far as the pot issue,it should be legalized,studies have proven it is not as harmful as tobacco,and it does help with alot of things,such as slowing alzhiemers,helping cancer patients eat,etc.etc.. The only thing harmful about pot is the smoke,inhaling any smoke is harmful,but if you use a vaporizor it takes the smoke away and you get your THC,whihc is alot better and your not inhaling smoke.

[softy54534]

One of the reasons is probably some of the other things that go hand-in-hand with dogfighting versus hunting (money, drugs, crime, etc.)

Great point i will have to conquer...

[shodulsilfeli]

... Etc etc etc. and all. Do I thin Mj should be illegal, no. But do I think it is totally harmless and totally non-addictive and on top of that god's gift to everything good and pure, koom-bay-ahhh. HELL fucking no.

ALL of my best friends and half of my immediate family would disagree, but that is only because they are stupid pot heads.

Is it worse than alcohol, no. Is it the devil weed, no. But does it make people stooopid, and are people addicted to it, sorry but DUH of course.

Of course it's not totally harmless; nothing is totally harmless. You can kill yourself drinking too much water.

Pot doesn't make you stupid. Being born stupid and being too closed minded to learn about new things is what makes you stupid.

Some of the smartest and wealthiest people I know smoke daily. I know someone very well who retired in his mid 30's with several hundred million dollars and is a genius who smokes. He has an MBA from Wharton school of business and was asked to be the dean of Duke Univ. school of business. He was also recently asked by our Gov. to create and head a committee to try and reform the financial system. I can't talk about the bigger and more impressive things he's done because if I did someone would possibly be able to figure out who he is. I know several other very well off people that smoke. Those type of people don't just come out and say it though. More people than you think do it but since it's illegal and they have a lot to lose they have to be very very careful about keeping it a secret.

There are also idiots that do it but half the world seems like idiots so that proves nothing.

People are addicted to coffee; everything is addicting.

Maybe you should try listening to "ALL of your best friends and half of your immediate family". Maybe they know something that you are too closed minded to learn about.

You call ALL your best friends and half your family stupid yet you make a post with nothing but stupid and condescending remarks about something you obviously know nothing about.

Brainwashed much?

[agildeta]

I know plenty about pot; I personally was addicted to it for my early adult life. My dad was addicted for decades. My best friend is addicted now.

What else do you call it when someone "needs" a substance to get them through work and/or chores and can not feel like they are having a good time unless they are on it; who fall into depression if they run out; who will do anything including dealing and driving 300 miles in an ice storm to avoid running out, etc. etc.

Brainwashing works both ways, smokie. People who claim that pot is harmless as water are just as brainwashed as the "reefer madness" type who claim pot is evil.

The truth is where you will almost always find it, somewhere in between. I have lived this thing and still see it every day. A lot of people can handle their weed; a lot of people can't. From my experience most people who like it a lot go overboard and turn it into a must-have several times a day thing.

Of course it's not totally harmless; nothing is totally harmless. You can kill yourself drinking too much water.

Pot doesn't make you stupid. Being born stupid and being too closed minded to learn about new things is what makes you stupid.

Some of the smartest and wealthiest people I know smoke daily. I know someone very well who retired in his mid 30's with several hundred million dollars and is a genius who smokes. He has an MBA from Wharton school of business and was asked to be the dean of Duke Univ. school of business. He was also recently asked by our Gov. to create and head a committee to try and reform the financial system. I can't talk about the bigger and more impressive things he's done because if I did someone would possibly be able to figure out who he is. I know several other very well off people that smoke. Those type of people don't just come out and say it though. More people than you think do it but since it's illegal and they have a lot to lose they have to be very very careful about keeping it a secret.

There are also idiots that do it but half the world seems like idiots so that proves nothing.

People are addicted to coffee; everything is addicting.

Maybe you should try listening to "ALL of your best friends and half of your immediate family". Maybe they know something that you are too closed minded to learn about.

You call ALL your best friends and half your family stupid yet you make a post with nothing but stupid and condescending remarks about something you obviously know nothing about.

Brainwashed much?

[shodulsilfeli]

buddysmom My screen name is smokedog because that was the name of my old roommates Ambully; which was one of the most amazing dogs I've been around. Her name was smokey because she was grayish colored. Way to read into things.

I never said "Pot is as harmless as water". I said, "Of course it's not totally harmless; nothing is totally harmless. You can kill yourself drinking too much water."

You see the difference? Moderation is key to life; to much of anything good becomes bad. That was the point I was trying to make. Talk about a misquote.

It sounds like you and these people who are, "driving 300 miles in an ice storm to avoid running out" have addictive personalities and the issue has less to do with pot and more to do with personality type. Or maybe these people were also born "Stooopid".

I totally agree when you say, "The truth is where you will almost always find it, somewhere in between. And A lot of people can handle their weed; a lot of people can't."

But that doesn't mean, "it makes people stooopid". That is what irritates me; people need to generalize less. You think someone with a Pitbull would get that because many people generalize pitbull owners as criminals or low lifes.

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I was just thinking about you mentioning you knowing people, "driving 300 miles in an ice storm to avoid running out" because it just sounded insane to me.

If they drove 300 miles going 50 mph the entire time it would take 6 hours one way or 12 hours total. Since it was in an ice storm they probably weren't going 50mph for more than a minute or two. If they drove 25 mph the entire time it would've taken them 12 hours one way and 24 hours both ways; which is still impossible because there are probably other cars on the road and traffic lights. My point is that it's a "stooopid" statement. You sure they aren't smoking crack or on H?

[Xxedxevh]

Dog fighting a lot of the times leads to drugs and other illegal activities. As far as using dogs to hunt coyotes in Wyoming if your dog is caught chasing any wildlife be it a goose or a coyote you get a HUGE fine.

haha i'd be broke

[Ikrleprl]

I'm sure if the AR movement has their way, hunting with dogs in any capacity will be illegal soon enough.

Hell, why not just humanize them as much as possible breed the dog right out of them then there won't ever be a problem of a dog acting like a dog anymore.

[agildeta]

buddysmom My screen name is smokedog because that was the name of my old roommates Ambully; which was one of the most amazing dogs I've been around. Her name was smokey because she was grayish colored. Way to read into things.

Sorry I always shorten people's handles; as will will notice this is a common practice (lots of people get a kick out of referring to me as BM for example, lol). I did not mean anything by it.

I am also sorry my "stoopid" comment had you so rattled. It was a bit tongue-in-cheek and you are right, an overgeneralization that even I do not believe -- yeah there is some truth to that statement but it should not be used as a blanket statement.

The more elaborate story is, MJ use can affect cognitive function in many cases, making users feel "dull" or lethargic (or to put it more positively, relaxed.) On the flip side marijuana can also stimulate energy and creativity. That probably depends on a lot of things. The individual, the situation, the type and potency of the herb, etc.

I personally miss being a "pot head" but many years ago found that I could not handle the generally high potency of what is available today. It makes my blood pressure go up which makes me feel anxious.

The ice storm, that was me many years ago trying to get to a relative's to score. 300 was the round trip total and I spent the night there, plus it was not ice storm conditions in the AM only on the way down so I guess if you want to call me on an exaggeration there ya go, have a bone

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haha i'd be broke

Yeah me too on the dogs not pestering wildlife law; MANY years ago my dog sneaked out of the car in Rocky Mountain National Park when we stopped to take a picture of the largest herd of elk I'd ever seen. My dog scattered them all into the hills. Luckily for me there were no witnesses; it would have been thousands of dollars in fines.

[vekiuytyh]

Hell, why not just humanize them as much as possible breed the dog right out of them then there won't ever be a problem of a dog acting like a dog anymore.

I'm pretty sure that IS the goal of many people. If not breed it out PSSST it out.

[shodulsilfeli]

Sorry for being a d!ck. Maybe I should have "dulled" myself instead of getting pissy.

Back in high school and college I never smoked before school and did average unless I took my adderall; which my stupid doctor prescribed me to. Talk about a horrible drug that way to many kids are prescribed to. That stuff is legal meth and we're giving it to little kids in high doses. I was able to apply myself like never before but it also made me feel like a true crackhead. If any of you give that cr*p to your kids, I would strongly recommend you try taking 20mg's for a week(if you can even handle it) and see how strong that speed is. Some of my friends were prescribed to 60mg's a day and now they have stuff that lasts 12 hours; that's insane!

Anyway, back to my story. One semester in college and one semester only; my one buddy and I had a ritual where we smoked a blunt before class for the entire semester. That semester I got straight A's and one B. Everyone reacts differently to it. I have noticed that it does something very similar to adderall for me but doesn't make me feel like a crackhead speed freak. It kind of puts me in a slight zone and allows me to really think deeply about things and see things from other perspectives. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do but there are a lot of people that give their kids with ADD and ADHD medical marijuana instead of adderall. They have to keep it on the down low; I can only imagine what people would do or think of them. Child protective services would probably be knocking and take their kids. It can't be any worse than adderall because like I said before that stuff is legal meth and we're giving it to our children in ridiculously high doses.

[agildeta]

Hecks no you're totally fine; you made some great points and thanks for sharing your story

Thanks everyone else too for putting up with our OT side chatter

Sorry for being a d!ck. Maybe I should have "dulled" myself instead of getting pissy.

Back in high school and college I never smoked before school and did average unless I took my adderall; which my stupid doctor prescribed me to. Talk about a horrible drug that way to many kids are prescribed to. That stuff is legal meth and we're giving it to little kids in high doses. I was able to apply myself like never before but it also made me feel like a true crackhead. If any of you give that cr*p to your kids, I would strongly recommend you try taking 20mg's for a week(if you can even handle it) and see how strong that speed is. Some of my friends were prescribed to 60mg's a day and now they have stuff that lasts 12 hours; that's insane!

Anyway, back to my story. One semester in college and one semester only; my one buddy and I had a ritual where we smoked a blunt before class for the entire semester. That semester I got straight A's and one B. Everyone reacts differently to it. I have noticed that it does something very similar to adderall for me but doesn't make me feel like a crackhead speed freak. It kind of puts me in a slight zone and allows me to really think deeply about things and see things from other perspectives. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do but there are a lot of people that give their kids with ADD and ADHD medical marijuana instead of adderall. They have to keep it on the down low; I can only imagine what people would do or think of them. Child protective services would probably be knocking and take their kids. It can't be any worse than adderall because like I said before that stuff is legal meth and we're giving it to our children in ridiculously high doses.

[doolarsva]

OK I'm back. My weed comment abiut it being more harmful than tobacco was meant if the weed was smoked, and used as frequently as tobacco. I never compared it to alcohol. I think in general alcohol is more harmful than weed if used heavily. I do, however, think that it's used as a placebo and a pshycosamatic crutch for lots of people and it can sap the drive out of many people too. I also think it's rediculous that a plant that naturally grows out of the ground could be outlawed in any way.

[shodulsilfeli]

Hi Billbkylyn, I agree with your last post except when you say, "My weed comment abiut it being more harmful than tobacco was meant if the weed was smoked, and used as frequently as tobacco."

That is not an accurate statement.

"The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years."
"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."
Doctor Tashkin also says, "My own feeling is that marijuana smokers probably will not develop emphysema as a consequence of smoking marijuana. It may be that the THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) in marijuana could have different effects on inflammatory cells, which may mediate injury in the lung."

Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection - washingtonpost.com

Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer

There are some studies that show opposite results but they all seem to be done in petri dishes and don't involve real living people as the test subject.

I have personally asked a very well thought of pulmonary doctor what his view was on smoking marijuana. He told me that it's not as big a deal as everyone makes it out to be and doesn't have the same cancerous effect that tobacco smoke has. He said I shouldn't worry about it too much and mentioned his brother has been smoking pot his whole life and his lungs are still in very good condition.

Remember approximately 60 of the chemicals in cigarettes are known to cause cancer. A Spanish study has revealed that tobacco smoke is 60 times more toxic than traffic fumes.

I read a shocking study a few years ago that involved 5 groups of people. Cigarette smokers, pot smokers, people that smoked both cigs & pot and people that smoked nothing.

The people with the shortest life spans were the cigarette smokers, followed by the people that smoked both cigs and pot, shockingly the people that smoked nothing had the 2nd highest life span and the people that just smoked pot lived the longest. Pretty weird.

However I realize inhaling smoke into your lungs can't be healthy but that's why there's vaporizers.

[agildeta]

Well 'cause it's more fun to talk about weed than coyote hunting ...

It is not the possible health, or psychoactive effects that concern me.

What rattles me is when people claim pot is not addictive.

The physical versus psychological dependency is no matter; the latter is just as powerful (if not more so) than the former.

[shodulsilfeli]

buddysmom I totally agree with everything you just mentioned. It's definitely addictive.

However almost anything and everything I can think of can become addictive. Most of the people I know can't function unless they get their morning coffee. Society generally doesn't look down on the people that go to Starbucks everyday and spend $ 10 on mocha latte crappuccino; somehow they are role model citizens living the good life. Why aren't they considered coffee addicts?

[xtrupoke]

buddysmom I totally agree with everything you just mentioned. It's definitely addictive.

However almost anything and everything I can think of can become addictive. Most of the people I know can't function unless they get their morning coffee. Society generally doesn't look down on the people that go to Starbucks everyday and spend $ 10 on mocha latte crappuccino; somehow they are role model citizens living the good life. Why aren't they considered coffee addicts?

Im addicted to Dr.pepper...

I really can't stop

[ordercigsnick]

When I was 11 yrs old I saw dog fighting Im 58 now it is the most vile thing how any one could be so simple minded for money? play cards ,bet on horse races, arm wrestle put your moma too work there are too many other avenues.

[reachmanxx]

Sorry for being a d!ck. Maybe I should have "dulled" myself instead of getting pissy.

Back in high school and college I never smoked before school and did average unless I took my adderall; which my stupid doctor prescribed me to. Talk about a horrible drug that way to many kids are prescribed to. That stuff is legal meth and we're giving it to little kids in high doses. I was able to apply myself like never before but it also made me feel like a true crackhead. If any of you give that cr*p to your kids, I would strongly recommend you try taking 20mg's for a week(if you can even handle it) and see how strong that speed is. Some of my friends were prescribed to 60mg's a day and now they have stuff that lasts 12 hours; that's insane!

Anyway, back to my story. One semester in college and one semester only; my one buddy and I had a ritual where we smoked a blunt before class for the entire semester. That semester I got straight A's and one B. Everyone reacts differently to it. I have noticed that it does something very similar to adderall for me but doesn't make me feel like a crackhead speed freak. It kind of puts me in a slight zone and allows me to really think deeply about things and see things from other perspectives. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do but there are a lot of people that give their kids with ADD and ADHD medical marijuana instead of adderall. They have to keep it on the down low; I can only imagine what people would do or think of them. Child protective services would probably be knocking and take their kids. It can't be any worse than adderall because like I said before that stuff is legal meth and we're giving it to our children in ridiculously high doses.

You know...I was thinking about this recently. I also have ADHD, and when I smoked...it affected me differently then it effects the stereotypical pot head.

I could focus on something for longer than 15 minutes. I could sit through, and really enjoy a movie, or play a video game. I could write like a whirlwind.

Basicaly...it made me better able to focus on any single task, instead of jumping all over the place and generally accomplishing nothing because I lose interest in a matter of minutes.

However...these effects only worked when I was actually high, so I don't really think this can (at this time) be practicaly applied to children with ADHD...because it really can have some interesting effects on short term memory (which is crucial for success in school with the way our country educates).

But people forget that ADHD kids grow up to become ADHD adults. And here is where I see a more practical application.

And yeah, too much of anything is bad. Most non pot smokers seem to think of all pot smokers as the stereotypical Dazed & Confused type.

And some are...

But the majority of US pot smokers...hell, anywhere you go...look around. I can almost gauruntee at least 1 out of every 20 people you see smokes pot on a semi regular basis.

The people who turn into useless potheads...it's not the pot that did it too them...it was in there nature to be lazy and useless in the first place. You're not gonna take a person with a good head on their shoulders, good priorities and drive to succeed, and turn him into a worthless bum who lives in his mother's basement JUST by giving him pot (or letting him get addicted to it for that matter).

Different people respond to pretty much anything in vastly different ways.

You can't use a blanket statement like "pot is bad" or "pot is good" because it's different to different people.

For someone who has to fight against his own laziness everyday to avoid calling in to work...pot would be a bad thing, because he does not have any willpower.

For someone like me, who can't focus on anything for very long unless I'm VERY interested in it, pot has proven in the past to be good in that regard.

But then again, I also have the sense of personal responsibility not to do stupid things like drive while under the influence of anything...but that's not really a pot issue.

[agildeta]

buddysmom I totally agree with everything you just mentioned. It's definitely addictive.

However almost anything and everything I can think of can become addictive. Most of the people I know can't function unless they get their morning coffee. Society generally doesn't look down on the people that go to Starbucks everyday and spend $ 10 on mocha latte crappuccino; somehow they are role model citizens living the good life. Why aren't they considered coffee addicts?

Because they are more likely sugar addicts ... that's what Starbucks packs the most of, not caffeine - and *I* laugh at them plenty though society as a whole may not.

Anyway beck to becoming addicted to pot, agreed not everyone who uses it becomes addicted and furthermore among those who are addicted maybe for ALL it is not such an awful thing anyhow ...

The fact that all the pot users I know are addicted; maybe that just means I tend to run with -- and was born into a family of -- people who are predisposed to addiction in general.

Anyhow being addicted to pot can be harmful in many ways; for example it being expensive and in most cases illegal (though thank goodness at least the latter situation is changing in many areas).

Point is, if someone chooses to use it just realize it is NOT soda pop; there are a lot of things to consider and it is a substance that must be respected and handled with care if one chooses to go there at all.