[User-Luser]

As a reply to the crate comment, She is crate trained She loves her kennel, and will sleep in it at night if it is to busy ( I have a 7 and 4 yr old) It is only when we leave and kennel her that she will relieve herself. I have been using the puppy training placing her in then coming back praising ect. And I do know and understand that she may have some separation anxiety. I am working on both issues, It doesnt seem to be getting better. We have been at it for months. I am just curious if anyone has come accross this and how long did it take to re train? I am a stay at home mom for the moment( Maternity Leave) and have all the time in the world to work on this problem with her.
And with the peanut butter thing... Yeah we have tried a peanut butter reward for going outside to potty, But she is a weird one and doesn't like it.. Thanks for all of your support and am looking forward to starting at square one!!! Time and effort that I know will pay off and help her grow into a better dog than she is today and she is a great dog!!!!

[Herimoisige]

I agree with the rest of the posters. If crate trained a dog won't relieve themselves in the crate. So start over and work on the crate training and the separation issues.

[Sillaycheg]

Start at point zero with the crate traiining, pretend she has never been in one Patience is truly a virture, and I know that you appear to be willing to invest in that and the time needed to accomplish the goal.

Just to on the safe side, I do agree that I would have her vet rule out UTI or IBD issues.

[appabessy]

Angel, my 2 1/2 yr old pit, has seperation anxiety. What helps alot is flower essence. Might be something to consider!

[reachmanxx]

I But she will literally act out revenge...

I just need to address this here real quick.

Animals do not do anything out of "revenge", or spite, or anything like that.

She is not doing these things to "get back at you".

You said you have been trying to work with these issues for months. Don't take this the wrong way, but one has to know exactly how to work with these issues in order to be succesful.

I really suggest you do some research on seperation anxiety, and learn about how dogs actually work (how they think and learn). Improper training can very easily just make things worse. And a lack of understanding of how dogs really operate leads to many, many mistakes.

The fact that you attribute your dog's behavior to spite shows that you don't have the skills and knowledge neccesary to handle this problem sucesfully on your own...at least at this time.

That's not an insult. It's totally normal. Very few dog owners really understand their dogs. That's why so many dogs have all kinds of behavioral problems.

I suggest you do some reading, and if you have the ability, contact a licensed behaviorist. Not a dog trainer. Very generally speaking, behaviorists deal with dogs with issues and work with owners on a plan to solve them, where as trainers either train your dog to do particular tasks, or train you to train your dog to do particular tasks.

Amazon.com has tons of good books that you can buy new (or used...at very good prices) and are shipped right to your door. You can probably find these at your library as well, I would think. (I havn't used a library in years...lol)

A few I would suggest to you to help you better understand the behavior and mentality of dogs are:

The Culture Clash: A Revolutionary New Way to Understanding the Relationship Between Humans and Domestic Dogs by Jean Donaldson

Don't Shoot The Dog! The New Art of Teaching and Training by Karen Pryor

When Pigs Fly! Training Success With Impossible Dogs by Jane Killion

The Other End of The Leash:Why We Do What We Do Around Dogs By Patricia McConnell


Here's a decent article on sepration anxiety

[Xcqjwarl]

I have nothing to add...I honestly didn't even read the OP
But every time I see the title "Need a lil help with an ongoing problem with Kia getting EVEN!" I think heyyyy I don't have a problem with wanting to get even lol

Just had to share.....Continue

[fabrizioitwloch]

Sounds like typical separation anxiety. Which just takes some time and effort to convince the dog that it is totally fine to be left alone. Just don't make coming home a big deal to her, or leaving for that matter. Also confining her, either in a kennel or room (Most prefer laundry rooms or kitchens). Over all just re-working her. Ive also heard people medicating there dogs, especially during the training aspect to help make things more smooth. Talk to your vet and a local trainer.

[User-Luser]

I have had my dog since march 2009. A little background on her. KIA was 8 months when I adopted her. she is a Rescued pit from a pit sting here, used as a breeder early in life, Not housebroken, not good with men, underweight and nervous, Your basic neglected dog. Since getting her she has been housebroken learned to love men knows TONS of commands, is great with children walking on and off leash( if we are hunting or hiking). But lately over the last 6 months has been going to the bathroom in the house if left home. Now, normally she goes with me whenever I leave but there are times when I do have appointments ( Daughters school, medical appointments) or it is just to cold out to take her or place her on her lead in the yard( I live in alaska) But she will literally act out revenge... She will pee or poo on our clothes rip apart our bed kill my kids stuffies... And she only does it when we are gone from 15-45 minutes. And she goes out to relieve herself before I leave her home. She has HER toys, and the cat she loves with her I just dont know what I may be doing wrong, or another tactic I can try... I have tried kenneling which she loves, But if left in there she will go potty in there too which I think has something to do with her past. Any help would be great!

[MightyMasc]

She needs to be crate trained. If she can't be supervised, put her in the crate. Pit bulls are notorious for eating stuff they shouldn't resulting in expensive surgery. Housetraining is so much easier when you use the crate method:
http://www.pbrc.net/training_crate.html
Crate Training by Huskylove - Training Behavior

[User-Luser]

Kia is crate trained Unfortunately, She cannot be left in it for 5 minutes as she freaks out and relieves herself in there too... I as well as her vet agree that because of her past and how little I know about it that something could have happened whenever she was in her crate that made her uncomfortable, I was thinking about trying one of the Anti stress plug ins that they sell at the pet stores, But my husband and I are kind of at our ends, We would in no way get rid of her because of her issues it is just something that we want to work with her on.. But thank you for the suggestion, Maybe I will try to work on it with her little by little, Hopefully she will stop relieving herself in the house AND Crate!

[Deseassaugs]

Kia is crate trained Unfortunately, She cannot be left in it for 5 minutes as she freaks out and relieves herself in there too...

Then she's not crate trained....... You need to start from the beginning, check out those links posted above.
Also, dogs are not spiteful or vindictive. She is having some sort of separation anxiety. I would take her to the vet to rule out health issues (IBD, UTI, etc.) then I would consult a trainer if you're not having luck crate training her.

[crestosssa]

If you can't leave her in her crate for more than 5 minutes, then I don't think she's crate trained. You need to slowly work up to more and more time where she can be left in her create. Have you tried giving her a toy stuffed with peanut butter or something to distract her? You can freeze it to make it harder to get the goodies out.

Leave her for 2 minutes, and then come back inside and reward and praise her if she's calm. Then work your way up to 5, etc.

Unless she has serious separation anxiety, in which case you might need to talk to a behaviorist.

[ViagraPriceBuying]

Just curious, do you ever crate her while you remain in the room ? I do that w/ mine to try to avoid 'separation anxiety' when I've got to leave them alone.
Although they are crate trained, I still give them treats and praise for going in, and occasionally feed them in their crates.

[jPNy2BP5]

I understand the issue you are dealing with on the crate. I have seen this a number of times with rescues. Particularly ones who came from puppy mills and environments where they were left to relieve themselves in their crates. The had no other choice. It also can happen to dogs who are kept in a shelter or kennel situation for too long if they are not let out on a regular basis. Although dogs usually will not go in their dens, some have been put into situations where they have no choice and ultimately get used to this behavior. This may be what you are dealing with.

You really need to start from ground zero on crate training. Treat her as though she is only 8 weeks old. Do the whole routine feeding, short times in and then right out to potty. It's unfortunate that sometimes we have to undo these things, but it comes with having a rescue.

In the meantime, is there a kitchen, laundry room or some place you can pen her in if you have to be gone for an extended time, while to work on this crate situation?