[spoddersedpn]

Am I crazy for thinking human aggressive dogs should be euthanized? I keep seeing more and more rescues that want to "rehabilitate" them or send them to sanctuaries. This is new to me. When I started in rescue, it was common practice to euthanize dogs that were aggressive towards people. Rescues didn't want the liability of adopting out a dog that could bite somebody. I have a hard time justifying rescuing an unstable, human aggressive dog when there are hundreds of stable, loving, happy dogs that are being euthanized. For the most part we are a no kill shelter, but it's our policy to euthanize any dog that is human aggressive or unstable.

[mikelangr]

I do not think so I completely agree cant save all the dogs so why waist the time money and space on a HA dog does not matter what breed it is

[BrodiKennedy]

To me a ha dog shouldn't be able to be adopted.simpley because they can cause harm to little kids and other people.personally,I have a ha dog and I make sure when other people are over he's put away when people come over.do I think about him attack and biting people?yes,I do but so far we have done well with controling him and keeping him awnay from strangers.he was a strAy so we have no idea what happend to him or how he got this way.personally,of he was at the shelter I would not adopt him because I would t want to risk it.why haven't I had him put to sleep?he gets along with people in the family and some of the people that comes on the house as long as they don't mess with him or raise their foot up.I think when he was in his old home they used to kick him and abuse him.as far as being reabilitated...I think some dogs have a chance.it really depends on how aggressive the dog is with people.

[HakTaisanip]

Am I crazy for thinking human aggressive dogs should be euthanized? I keep seeing more and more rescues that want to "rehabilitate" them or send them to sanctuaries. This is new to me. When I started in rescue, it was common practice to euthanize dogs that were aggressive towards people. Rescues didn't want the liability of adopting out a dog that could bite somebody. I have a hard time justifying rescuing an unstable, human aggressive dog when there are hundreds of stable, loving, happy dogs that are being euthanized. For the most part we are a no kill shelter, but it's our policy to euthanize any dog that is human aggressive or unstable.

If they had the time and money to determine if the dog was truly HA or not it would be different. They do not, they do not want to admit they do not, and the whole sanctuary idea is one that was cooked up by the idiots that think we humans shouldn't be able to have pets period.

I think if an individual owner who knows dogs, can handle dogs, and after taking the proper precautions wants to attempt it while ensuring the dog cannot harm anyone then so be it.

Once the dog is in an owners hands I think we get a little to quick with HA assessment, but at the shelter/foster level if it is a choice between keeping a really screwed up dog (that MIGHT be able to be rehabilitated) or one that is showing no signs of needing any "special care" then given the time and money available I would think the choice is obvious.

This is one of the reasons I won't do rescue work. For too many of the people doing it the choice isn't obvious and I don't handle stupid very well.

[spoddersedpn]

I got this email from a girl:

Duke is a 2 1/2 year old American Staffordshire Terrier. He's such a loving dog, but he does come from a hard backround. He was rescued from a police corp up in South Carolina by the commisioner because they were not being loving to him. He's not shy at all, but you need to let him sniff around you and get to know you before you cuddle or pet him. Once he knows you, he's your best friend FOREVER!!!! He is potty trained and walks very well on a leash. He loves to swim but he needs a doggy life jacket (which will be provided) because he is a little clumsy. I wouldn't recommend a family with little one's or female dogs. He is neuterd and updated on all of his shots!!! He was spoiled rotton with me and ate the best dog food, the hills. He needs to keep his muzzle on while meeting new people just until he gets to know them. Some things can take him back to his past. I would love to have Duke, but my apt complex will not let me because he nipped at someone in the neighborhood, but didn't even draw blood. I hope he finds a good home because I don't want to see him put down, or in a shelter. He gets out of quarentine on Tuesday. Please Help!!! My advice was to have him euthanized and I told her I didn't feel comfortable adopting him out. But other rescues are now helping her to place him.

[mikelangr]

I would put the dog to sleep to many dogs needing help but thats my opinion

[BrodiKennedy]

To me it depends on how ha the dog is.if the dog is only ha with strangers I'd try my beat to either keep him away from strangers and keep him in a safe encloser.Now when it comes to a dog seeing anyone and going after them in attack mood.sadly,thAt dog would have to be put to sleep no matter the breed,size,or color.

[HakTaisanip]

My advice was to have him euthanized and I told her I didn't feel comfortable adopting him out. But other rescues are now helping her to place him.

We (meaning myself, and friends I have had over the years) have only had to muzzle one dog. A Rott. some old roommates of mine had.

He was out walking the dog, some construction was going on and the guys had the pneumatic nail guns with the safety disabled so they could shoot nails in the air and whatnot.

One of the workers was doing just that and the dog got wound up. My roommate asks him "Please don't do that, he thinks it's a real gun and he doesn't like guns."

The guy laughs and keeps doing it.

Well, for not listening he ended up in the hospital for a punctured testicle and we ended up building an escape proof kennel for when the dog needed to be outside, and having to muzzle him everywhere.

If this dog needs to be muzzled to meet people AND it is not a PP dog in training then I wouldn't take him either.

[mikelangr]

To me it depends on how ha the dog is.if the dog is only ha with strangers I'd try my beat to either keep him away from strangers and keep him in a safe encloser.Now when it comes to a dog seeing anyone and going after them in attack mood.sadly,thAt dog would have to be put to sleep no matter the breed,size,or color.

This dog is needing a home and is going to have to go with strangers so any HA is a bad thing. And HA in any Bully breed is just another nail to add to the coffin that is trying to be built by the Anti-pitbul groups

[spoddersedpn]

This dog is needing a home and is going to have to go with strangers so any HA is a bad thing. And HA in any Bully breed is just another nail to add to the coffin that is trying to be built by the Anti-pitbul groups

My thoughts exactly, adopting out human aggressive dogs is taking a huge risk that something could happen that would add to the push for BSL. And what kind of adopter is goig to want to adopt a human aggressive dog? The dog ends just getting pass around to fosters or kept in boarding adding to the dog's issues.

[BrodiKennedy]

This dog is needing a home and is going to have to go with strangers so any HA is a bad thing. And HA in any Bully breed is just another nail to add to the coffin that is trying to be built by the Anti-pitbul groups

okay I thought she meant dogs in general bring ha.well yes the dog could pose as a threat to the public than yes it should be put to sleep

[mikelangr]

My thoughts exactly, adopting out human aggressive dogs is taking a huge risk that something could happen that would add to the push for BSL. And what kind of adopter is goig to want to adopt a human aggressive dog? The dog ends just getting pass around to fosters or kept in boarding adding to the dog's issues.

I think we are on the same Page here South Atlanta Bullies
You also have idiots that want human aggressive Bully breeds because they think its cool. I have met some people that are up to illegal stuff that want the HA bully for that reason as well

Also I sent you a PM South Atlanta Bullies did you receive it ??

[spoddersedpn]

Also I sent you a PM South Atlanta Bullies did you receive it ??

Yes, we do consider out of state adoptions if the application reflects they are very breed savvy. We prefer local adoptions, but if it's for a dog that's having a hard time getting a forever home, we will consider an out of state adoption if it's the right home for the dog

[mikelangr]

cool maybe by the time I am ready you will consider me breed Savvy it will be a few years

[boffincash]

Just like those who don't believe in culling shouldn't breed dogs, those that don't believe in culling shouldn't be involved in rescue.

[lrUyiva1]

(From the e-mail "Some things can take him back to his past."

Do we actually know what that means? And for what it's worth...this is the dog I was speaking about last night. A friend of mine who posts PBs on Craigslist from PBRC.net's listings also received the same e-mail...per one of her CL postings' anonymous e-mail addresses. I wonder how many random CL'ers "looking for a pit" received this e-mail? Scares me.

I feel bad for this dog. Nipping at people, requires a muzzle to meet people, quarantined, etc. sounds like it would be no life for a dog.

[glamourcitys]

I got this email from a girl:



My advice was to have him euthanized and I told her I didn't feel comfortable adopting him out. But other rescues are now helping her to place him.

Reading the email it sounds like the dog was simply not trained. The phrases "spoiled rotten" and "nipped" make me think that maybe this dog is not HA but an untrained little monster.

However, if a behaviorist or other qualified evaluator said the lil bugger was HA or the owner toned things down in the letter and I met the dog and he was HA then I would have him at the vet for euthanasia so fast he wouldn't know what happened.

I absolutely HATE resuce that try to rehab HA dogs and they have no credibility in my eyes.

[Nashhlkq]

To me it depends on how ha the dog is.if the dog is only ha with strangers I'd try my beat to either keep him away from strangers and keep him in a safe encloser.Now when it comes to a dog seeing anyone and going after them in attack mood.sadly,thAt dog would have to be put to sleep no matter the breed,size,or color.

I agree with this post 100%.

[glamourcitys]

To me it depends on how ha the dog is.if the dog is only ha with strangers I'd try my beat to either keep him away from strangers and keep him in a safe encloser.Now when it comes to a dog seeing anyone and going after them in attack mood.sadly,thAt dog would have to be put to sleep no matter the breed,size,or color.

For a personal dog maybe. But here we are talking about an owner who can no longer keep her dog because it "nipped" at someone and her apartment complex says he has to go. So, he is going into rescue to presumably be adopted out later. If the adoptive family makes one mistake the dog makes headline news and someone could be seriously hurt.

[lrUyiva1]

Reading the email it sounds like the dog was simply not trained. The phrases "spoiled rotten" and "nipped" make me think that maybe this dog is not HA but an untrained little monster.

We don't know the exact age in which this person took ownership of the dog either since it said he was taken from his original owners for "not loving him."

Generally a "nip" doesn't warrant a dog being in quarantine though, and I still don't like, "some things can take him back to his past."

As I've said before, it was difficult finding a Veterinarian who would euthanize our truly, as-evaluated HA pit bull. Their mentality: "unless he comes in here showing his teeth and going after us, we won't put him down. If he comes in here normal and wagging his tail, we won't put him down." It didn't matter that we had documentation, etc.