[TerAlelmlor]

The moderate type is what backyard peddlers are calling apbt x ambully now, at least here anyways, and they are becoming quite popular since they aren't overdone but are much larger than the apbt. They are normally called rednose/blue nose, game bully, old school new schools, moderates, medium sized, and there are a few more. These are just a few of the names I've seen on ads posted on telephone poles and on the metro newspaper.

[Guloqkcm]

but if youre going to say that, you might as well call any bull breed a pit bull, they all stemmed off eachother in one way or another..

In 1970 American Bulldog was first registered as American Pit Bulldog with the NKC, but it was later renamed American bulldog to avoid confusion with the American Pit Bull Terrier. My point is.. just through "registery or papers" like a registered UKC APBT is not your typical gamebreed but it's still listed as APBT. You can say papers are hung or whatever.. it's been recognized so it have the right to be called one but under a different sub-type when classified.

[mXr8icOB]

In 1970 American Bulldog was first registered as American Pit Bulldog with the NKC, but it was later renamed American bulldog to avoid confusion with the American Pit Bull Terrier. My point is.. just through "registery or papers" like a registered UKC APBT is not your typical gamebreed but it's still listed as APBT. You can say papers are hung or whatever.. it's been recognized so it have the right to be called one but under a different sub-type when classified.

just because a registry calls it something doesnt make it that though.

[TerAlelmlor]

just because a registry calls it something doesnt make it that though.

Definitely true. I can register a lab or even a mix as a purebred apbt. All I have to do is paper hang, hell all these bully breeders did and so did the weight pull line dogs such as dagger and camelot. However, it still doesn't make the dog an apbt. However, I would also like to add that there should be two types of apbt, now that I think about it. You have yourself the conformation type dog and then you have your working dog. The difference in the two is that the conformation dog may look better than the show dog, but the show dog has more strength, speed, stamina, and above all else, heart.

[Guloqkcm]

just because a registry calls it something doesnt make it that though.

I understand that.. but why people here when presented with a dog without papers.. we all call it mutt? Then when it's papered even though it comes from a bully line (which we call mix) we still brand it as AmBully because the papers says so?

If that is the case.. then we shouldn't register all of our dogs because papers means shit, right?

So let me ask you, do you have a registered dog?

[TerAlelmlor]

I understand that.. but why people here when presented with a dog without papers.. we all call it mutt?

Because half the time, the people that posts the pics also posts something along the lines of "what do you think he/she is." Now don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with mutts. I've had the opportunity to work a few blackmouth cur x apbts and they make good catchdogs. However, most of us say mutt since without papers, you really can't tell. Hell, even with papers you can't tell. I'll bet you money I can register an apbt mastiff mix and falsify the ped. Then I can register the dog into the adba and they'll accept it because I have the $$$. I'll bet you any amount you want to bet, in fact, it has already been done. Look at the camelot and the dagger dogs.

[Guloqkcm]

Because half the time, the people that posts the pics also posts something along the lines of "what do you think he/she is." Now don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with mutts. I've had the opportunity to work a few blackmouth cur x apbts and they make good catchdogs. However, most of us say mutt since without papers, you really can't tell. Hell, even with papers you can't tell. I'll bet you money I can register an apbt mastiff mix and falsify the ped. Then I can register the dog into the adba and they'll accept it because I have the $$$. I'll bet you any amount you want to bet, in fact, it has already been done. Look at the camelot and the dagger dogs.

I know it's been done.. because we've done it. This is one reason I really quit my alibi to show dogs. It ain't worth it. In show all it matters is the pedigree based on paper works then if the other dogs knows the judge they already get a big plus in winning (since there is a huge percentage of human-intervention). I actually once give up the sport because of the implications and police raids in conventions but the politics and crap in showdogs is really not something I can't take for long. So I went back in the sport.

I really tried to venture out all there is about pitbull, dogshows, weightpulling, and []. If there is something I haven't tried, I'd say it's your thing.. catchwork, we don't have enough spots for that and they are already protected by the government. I even have a pitbull and an Am Bulldog for weight pulling before, but I still go back to where my heart is.. inside the box. I prefer to let my dogs do the talking.

[SigNeewfoew]

*Disclaimer I don't live in US and I don't promote dog fighting, we already closed the circle for years*

[Guloqkcm]

That's the purpose of my sig

[TerAlelmlor]

I know it's been done.. because we've done it.

LOL, why did you hang your dogs ped? Btw, I know what you mean since hte philipinnes have their wildlife protected. I think you guys have like 5-6 feet monitor lizards though that I'm sure your dogs can hunt, it is still catchwork LOL.

[Guloqkcm]

We've hanged it because I heard my friend's Am Bulldog who was just a house pet managed to get into the kennel of the bitch that we breed.

Yea there are 5-6 feet monitor lizards there, but If I got it.. I'll just sell it! Haha! And it's no thrill for my dogs, they can kill it without any thrill.

[TerAlelmlor]

We've hanged it because I heard my friend's Am Bulldog who was just a house pet managed to get into the kennel of the bitch that we breed.

Yea there are 5-6 feet monitor lizards there, but If I got it.. I'll just sell it! Haha! And it's no thrill for my dogs, they can kill it without any thrill.

Ah I see, well an ambulldog x apbt won't be doing much of anything in the pit except jumping it. You could perhaps place the dog in weight pull. LOL, how much do those lizards run for? They are popular pets here.

[Guloqkcm]

Ah I see, well an ambulldog x apbt won't be doing much of anything in the pit except jumping it. You could perhaps place the dog in weight pull. LOL, how much do those lizards run for? They are popular pets here.

There's a current bust lately about wildlife trafficing. I've been on that place before it's really our wildlife sanctuary. There are alot of eagles being sold, wildcats, Hammerhead sharks, etc. I once got an eagle bought there.. actually just a gift. I put it in a box like it was fruits! Haha!

[TerAlelmlor]

There's a current bust lately about wildlife trafficing. I've been on that place before it's really our wildlife sanctuary. There are alot of eagles being sold, wildcats, Hammerhead sharks, etc. I once got an eagle bought there.. actually just a gift. I put it in a box like it was fruits! Haha!

LOL, the philipines is pretty much a black market. I'll probably visit next year just to check out what the place has to offer.

[movlabk]

Some of the guys in the Philippines have some real honest dogs. A few of the more experienced guys here have been over and helped them with a few of their practices.

[insoneeri]

like everywhere else where the sport is legal ( well reasonably ) the quality of dogs continues to grow.....as dogmen in these countries gain more understanding it shows in their dogs.....east european countries of former soviet union 15 years ago had plenty of dogs but little quality....now they have some of the best dogs worldwide.....the dogs are the same as before its their understanding that has improved !

still though i think if i was in the market for livestock from the philippines it would have to be their placats not their dogs

[mXr8icOB]

I understand that.. but why people here when presented with a dog without papers.. we all call it mutt? Then when it's papered even though it comes from a bully line (which we call mix) we still brand it as AmBully because the papers says so?

If that is the case.. then we shouldn't register all of our dogs because papers means shit, right?

So let me ask you, do you have a registered dog?

i dont register my dogs. my GSD was already registered, my pit bulls papers were put in a file folder hand written. ive never gone by what a registry calls it, i call it what the breeding states it is.

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Because half the time, the people that posts the pics also posts something along the lines of "what do you think he/she is." Now don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with mutts. I've had the opportunity to work a few blackmouth cur x apbts and they make good catchdogs. However, most of us say mutt since without papers, you really can't tell. Hell, even with papers you can't tell. I'll bet you money I can register an apbt mastiff mix and falsify the ped. Then I can register the dog into the adba and they'll accept it because I have the $$$. I'll bet you any amount you want to bet, in fact, it has already been done. Look at the camelot and the dagger dogs.

and in that note, if it works for the person who owns the dog, thats awesome for them.

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Definitely true. I can register a lab or even a mix as a purebred apbt. All I have to do is paper hang, hell all these bully breeders did and so did the weight pull line dogs such as dagger and camelot. However, it still doesn't make the dog an apbt. However, I would also like to add that there should be two types of apbt, now that I think about it. You have yourself the conformation type dog and then you have your working dog. The difference in the two is that the conformation dog may look better than the show dog, but the show dog has more strength, speed, stamina, and above all else, heart.

most would call that a cur.. lol

[TerAlelmlor]

i dont register my dogs. my GSD was already registered, my pit bulls papers were put in a file folder hand written. ive never gone by what a registry calls it, i call it what the breeding states it is.

That's the way they did it back in the good old days and in my opinion, that is the best way to do it.
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and in that note, if it works for the person who owns the dog, thats awesome for them.

Awesome for them, but not for those that have brought dogs off of them thinking they have an apbt. In my opinion, that is nothing more than puppy peddling and a hustle. I frown upon dishonesty.

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most would call that a cur.. lol
LOL well then I guess it'll fit right in since there are more curs registered as apbts now than apbts themselves. Look at the dagger, camelot, razor's edge, gotti, etc. All of them supposedly have papers that states 100% apbt. However, how do you go from 55 # gamedog to suddenly 90# and over in one generation? LOL

Very well said Brindle