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**selayeffethy** · 01-07-2010, 03:11 PM

Most people around here don't walk their dogs or let them out of the yard even. Those dogs go spastic when we walk by and I always worry one will bump open a door or something. There are the few people who have dogs that get out due to owner stupidity and I avoid them by walking during working hours when the dogs are locked safely in the house or late at night for the same reason. I o walk mine at the city park sometimes because there are often other dog walkers with their dogs on leash and I want mine to learn to walk nicely past them without trying to play with both dogs and owner.

My real worry is the bunnies and squirrels. For the burbs we have a lot of them. Last time my two saw a bunny they dragged me about a block trying to catch it because i wasn't prepared.

**Inconykic** · 01-07-2010, 04:40 PM

Most people around here don't walk their dogs or let them out of the yard even. Those dogs go spastic when we walk by and I always worry one will bump open a door or something. There are the few people who have dogs that get out due to owner stupidity and I avoid them by walking during working hours when the dogs are locked safely in the house or late at night for the same reason. I o walk mine at the city park sometimes because there are often other dog walkers with their dogs on leash and I want mine to learn to walk nicely past them without trying to play with both dogs and owner.

My real worry is the bunnies and squirrels. For the burbs we have a lot of them. Last time my two saw a bunny they dragged me about a block trying to catch it because i wasn't prepared.

I usually walk Buddy at these times also, from 6;30 to 8;30 everbody and their brother is out walking their dogs. Buddy doesn't bark or growl when he sees other dogs unless they start losing their minds first. He ignores big dogs almost toally, it's the little dogs he get excited over. He's a sneak too. He shows excitement over them but no real aggression. The only time I let him near a little dog he was all tail wagging and play bowing untill he got close enough. He lunged as soon as he thought he was close enough. That was the last of that.

Whats weird is he doesn't have a huge pray drive. He could care less about small animals, and plays well with my moms cats. He does want to eat the woodchuck that lives in the yard.

**JulietOreira** · 01-07-2010, 04:55 PM

I had a lady grab Buddy by the face (she asked if she could pet him, I said yes and just..) pull it right up to her's and in baby talk go "your not so tough are you, no your not."

Why would you do that to ANY dog?

Never underestimate the stupidity of some people.

Although we had trust in Trudi's good nature, we never allowed any stranger to put their hands on her in public. You just never know how or where they might grab the dog and if that dog bites, guess who is at fault.

In my opinion, not worth the risk.

**Dominick Yo** · 01-07-2010, 05:32 PM

Yes, and honestly it has gotten to the point to where I dread walking my dogs. I do the right thing with my animals. It's not difficult and I don't understand why other people can't do the right thing, too, and keep their animals secure. I guess they think Fluffy is no threat to anyone, but what they don't understand is that if Fluffy comes running up to my pitbull who is on a leash on a walk, all it's going to take is a second of being shaken and Fluffy is no more.

**Inconykic** · 01-07-2010, 06:11 PM

Never underestimate the stupidity of some people.

Although we had trust in Trudi's good nature, we never allowed any stranger to put their hands on her in public. You just never know how or where they might grab the dog and if that dog bites, guess who is at fault.

In my opinion, not worth the risk.

You're absolutely right. I don't let anyone touch him anymore. People look at me like I'm a jerk, especially the kids when I say "no I'd rather you didn't." or they get scared because they think it's cause he's vicious. I don't explain it to them anymore, it's too tiring.

The other day I had a kid come up and go "Is that a red nose?" and I say "Well, he has a red nose, but he's a Amstaff mutt." and the kid goes "So he's red nose and Amstaff? You wanna breed it with my dog, she's a red nose too?" I just said no thank you and walked on.

Pure bred Red Nose LOL

**Gremlinn** · 01-07-2010, 06:14 PM

I guess they think Fluffy is no threat to anyone

Ah, in our case Sasha wants to play with Fluffy, I'm the one who hears the little yappy dogs that won't shut up and wants to boot them across the road like a kicker going for a field goal.

Little yappy dogs that won't shut up are a threat, a threat to our sanity

**selayeffethy** · 02-07-2010, 04:30 PM

Even if your bully dog won't grab and shake Fluffy these dogs play hard! I can't understand why people w small dogs want my dogs to play with them. Not too long ago on one of my forums an American Bulldog owner was talking about how his/her dog had a doxie friend and broke the poor lil things back just playing with it.

**Gremlinn** · 02-07-2010, 04:58 PM

Even if your bully dog won't grab and shake Fluffy these dogs play hard! I can't understand why people w small dogs want my dogs to play with them. Not too long ago on one of my forums an American Bulldog owner was talking about how his/her dog had a doxie friend and broke the poor lil things back just playing with it.

Yep, which is why I don't let her play with small dogs, she hasn't figured out the size difference yet. She even wants to play with cats they way she plays with another dog. Can you see a close to 70 lb dog body slamming a 10 lb cat?

**ovH9wfSJ** · 02-07-2010, 05:04 PM

I went as far as to walk different routes alone first, then at different times of the day/night. I chose the safest route at the safest time of day/night and always go staying attentive and prepared. I do this because no matter how careful you are, you can not prevent irresponsibility on the part of others.

**JulietOreira** · 02-07-2010, 05:20 PM

People look at me like I'm a jerk, especially the kids when I say "no I'd rather you didn't." or they get scared because they think it's cause he's vicious.

I was the same way once upon a time. I honestly believed that since Trudi was very friendly toward strangers in public, allowing a pet or two could do no harm. If fact I thought it may even help the breed overcome the 'vicious dog' image.

However, after learning more about the breed and public opinion of them I realized that my well intended, naive thinking was setting my dog up for disaster. Just one mistake, one nip and my dog would make front page local news, end up being hauled away to be destroyed and another black mark would be added against the breed.

And it would be all my fault.

When I joined this site and read posts by experienced Pit owners I realized that these fears were not paranoia, but justifiable and legitimate concerns.

We now have Meia, a wiggly little puppy who wants to make friends with everyone. We are taking her out in public to get her use to being around other people and dogs, but at a distance. We have had several people already who have asked if they can pet her or even pick her up. The answer is now "No"!

Yes, you do get looks like you are a jerk or anti-social. So what. And if you get pressed for a reason such as "Why is he vicious?", tell them you are not protecting them from your dog, but rather protecting your dog from them.

**selayeffethy** · 03-07-2010, 04:40 PM

And this is my eternal debate. Ike and Rita both really, really like people and I want to keep it that way. I also like getting out there in the world and maybe changing a mind or two. I don't want to say "Don't pet my dogs." because that can easily leave the wrong impression and people are often too stupid to see how I could be protecting my dog from them. I also don't ever want to be resposible for an incident.

What I have been doing is letting people who ask pet them and just closely watching both the dogs reactions and the human actions. Anyone I don't like the look or vibe of i just keep going with an excuse like "Sorry, no time today!"

**GrileVege** · 03-07-2010, 04:49 PM

And this is my eternal debate. Ike and Rita both really, really like people and I want to keep it that way. I also like getting out there in the world and maybe changing a mind or two. I don't want to say "Don't pet my dogs." because that can easily leave the wrong impression and people are often too stupid to see how I could be protecting my dog from them. I also don't ever want to be resposible for an incident.

What I have been doing is letting people who ask pet them and just closely watching both the dogs reactions and the human actions. Anyone I don't like the look or vibe of i just keep going with an excuse like "Sorry, no time today!"

You can always say, "she's in training right now to ignore distractions". That's what I do with Lily, and most of the time I'm not lying.
As for other dogs, if I had a nickel for every off leash dog I see on a walk on a daily basis, I'd be rich. After a couple encounters and some help from PBC peeps, Lily and I are more equipped to deal with a bad situation.
I can only walk Liberty at night, when I'm more sure there aren't loose dogs, because she does not have the training that Lily does, and if a dog charged her, well, that would be it for that dog.

**JulietOreira** · 03-07-2010, 06:24 PM

The problem is many people simply do not know how to approach a strange dog to pet it. As buddys dad said, the woman grabbed his dog by the face.

This is a big no no regardless if the dog is a Pit or a Peek.

Most of us know how our dogs may react in certain situations with strangers, what we never know is how the next stranger is going to act.

My feeling are this puts us and our dogs at a disadvantage.

**Inconykic** · 06-30-2010, 09:00 PM

I live in a middle size town in Michigan about 20 min. from Ann Arbor where I work. There's a far amount of dogs, especially on the road I live on that are out walking everyday all day. It's a nice town and I take Buddy walking every evening for about an hour, hour and a half. Some days I put the kids in the wagon, pull them behind me and have buddy on the leash. It's pretty funny seeing the reactions.

Anyways is it just me or does it seem like when your out walking with your dog your eyes are constantly pealed for people walking there dogs? I'm constantly looking ahead down the sidewalk, making sure I can see around corners, etc. Especially if I'm in town sitting on the bench or the kids are playing. Instead of enjoying everything, I'm constantly looking around to advert any flare ups.

Buddys not completely DA just selectively and it's not so much I'm worried about him, it's making sure other people don't catch me making a mistake or risking looking like I'm not in control of my dog. I'm not complaining, I wouldn't have Buddy any other way. Just curious if others do this too.

**Nwxffgke** · 06-30-2010, 09:05 PM

I walk mine in the Country, and yeah, I am always looking for loose dogs, or anything like that.

**wmtravelservice** · 06-30-2010, 09:06 PM

yea I do the same thing, I hate being surprised, as my post about being charged by a dog yesterday can kinda tell. I watch everywhere when I am walking, the only things that really surprise me are fenced dogs if I don't see them in the fence. I hate looking like I am not in control so I train train train, but that can only get me so far, so I am very vigilant when I walk, its a reason I use a prong and 3 foot lead.

**karkinadze** · 06-30-2010, 09:11 PM

I'm always on the look-out for idiots, whether or not I've got a dog with me. They are in abundance lately.

**Inconykic** · 06-30-2010, 09:12 PM

Yeah, Buddys very well trained and always on a short leash. I just hate being surprised also. Little old ladys with dogs on stretchy leashes get me. I have to pull over, put buddy in a sit stay and wait for grandma to meander past, watching it wrap itself around trees and be baby talked to. (not that I don't baby talk to Buddy).

Theres two Datsons who are one the street I always walk that get me every time in their fence. We'll be walking along and BAM! they hit the fence yipping scaring the sh*t out of Buddy and me. LOL

**wmtravelservice** · 06-30-2010, 09:46 PM

lol yea I know what ya mean, the old ladies seem to be scared of any 70 lb dog (I guess he looks more like 50...as a few people have asked and are shocked at his weight but either way haha) they run back inside most of the time, but yea no matter what one dog seems to always have to startle me on my walk its like your half way past the fence and BAM dog going nuts haha, then I have to turn Goren around because he got startled too, and I don't feel like dealing with fence aggression from dog's I don't know.

**Inconykic** · 06-30-2010, 09:57 PM

It's kinda weird here. It's a mid size city but there aren't a lot of pit bull/bully breed/whatever you want to call them owners around. I don't think theres been a case of an attack. I know the media hypes things but people around here tend to not care so much about my dog, or the couple others I know of. They try to get there dogs to play with mine. Just let there dog wander wherever on a 70ft leash. I had a lady grab Buddy by the face (she asked if she could pet him, I said yes and just..) pull it right up to her's and in baby talk go "your not so tough are you, no your not."

Why would you do that to ANY dog?

01-07-2010, 03:11 PM	#1
selayeffethy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 473 Senior Member	Most people around here don't walk their dogs or let them out of the yard even. Those dogs go spastic when we walk by and I always worry one will bump open a door or something. There are the few people who have dogs that get out due to owner stupidity and I avoid them by walking during working hours when the dogs are locked safely in the house or late at night for the same reason. I o walk mine at the city park sometimes because there are often other dog walkers with their dogs on leash and I want mine to learn to walk nicely past them without trying to play with both dogs and owner. My real worry is the bunnies and squirrels. For the burbs we have a lot of them. Last time my two saw a bunny they dragged me about a block trying to catch it because i wasn't prepared. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-07-2010, 04:40 PM	#2
Inconykic Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 369 Senior Member	Most people around here don't walk their dogs or let them out of the yard even. Those dogs go spastic when we walk by and I always worry one will bump open a door or something. There are the few people who have dogs that get out due to owner stupidity and I avoid them by walking during working hours when the dogs are locked safely in the house or late at night for the same reason. I o walk mine at the city park sometimes because there are often other dog walkers with their dogs on leash and I want mine to learn to walk nicely past them without trying to play with both dogs and owner. My real worry is the bunnies and squirrels. For the burbs we have a lot of them. Last time my two saw a bunny they dragged me about a block trying to catch it because i wasn't prepared. I usually walk Buddy at these times also, from 6;30 to 8;30 everbody and their brother is out walking their dogs. Buddy doesn't bark or growl when he sees other dogs unless they start losing their minds first. He ignores big dogs almost toally, it's the little dogs he get excited over. He's a sneak too. He shows excitement over them but no real aggression. The only time I let him near a little dog he was all tail wagging and play bowing untill he got close enough. He lunged as soon as he thought he was close enough. That was the last of that. Whats weird is he doesn't have a huge pray drive. He could care less about small animals, and plays well with my moms cats. He does want to eat the woodchuck that lives in the yard. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-07-2010, 04:55 PM	#3
JulietOreira Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 584 Senior Member	I had a lady grab Buddy by the face (she asked if she could pet him, I said yes and just..) pull it right up to her's and in baby talk go "your not so tough are you, no your not." Why would you do that to ANY dog? Never underestimate the stupidity of some people. Although we had trust in Trudi's good nature, we never allowed any stranger to put their hands on her in public. You just never know how or where they might grab the dog and if that dog bites, guess who is at fault. In my opinion, not worth the risk. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-07-2010, 05:32 PM	#4
Dominick Yo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 485 Senior Member	Yes, and honestly it has gotten to the point to where I dread walking my dogs. I do the right thing with my animals. It's not difficult and I don't understand why other people can't do the right thing, too, and keep their animals secure. I guess they think Fluffy is no threat to anyone, but what they don't understand is that if Fluffy comes running up to my pitbull who is on a leash on a walk, all it's going to take is a second of being shaken and Fluffy is no more. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Inconykic Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 369 Senior Member	Never underestimate the stupidity of some people. Although we had trust in Trudi's good nature, we never allowed any stranger to put their hands on her in public. You just never know how or where they might grab the dog and if that dog bites, guess who is at fault. In my opinion, not worth the risk. You're absolutely right. I don't let anyone touch him anymore. People look at me like I'm a jerk, especially the kids when I say "no I'd rather you didn't." or they get scared because they think it's cause he's vicious. I don't explain it to them anymore, it's too tiring. The other day I had a kid come up and go "Is that a red nose?" and I say "Well, he has a red nose, but he's a Amstaff mutt." and the kid goes "So he's red nose and Amstaff? You wanna breed it with my dog, she's a red nose too?" I just said no thank you and walked on. Pure bred Red Nose LOL Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-07-2010, 06:14 PM	#6
Gremlinn Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 536 Senior Member	I guess they think Fluffy is no threat to anyone Ah, in our case Sasha wants to play with Fluffy, I'm the one who hears the little yappy dogs that won't shut up and wants to boot them across the road like a kicker going for a field goal. Little yappy dogs that won't shut up are a threat, a threat to our sanity Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-07-2010, 04:30 PM	#7
selayeffethy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 473 Senior Member	Even if your bully dog won't grab and shake Fluffy these dogs play hard! I can't understand why people w small dogs want my dogs to play with them. Not too long ago on one of my forums an American Bulldog owner was talking about how his/her dog had a doxie friend and broke the poor lil things back just playing with it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-07-2010, 04:58 PM	#8
Gremlinn Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 536 Senior Member	Even if your bully dog won't grab and shake Fluffy these dogs play hard! I can't understand why people w small dogs want my dogs to play with them. Not too long ago on one of my forums an American Bulldog owner was talking about how his/her dog had a doxie friend and broke the poor lil things back just playing with it. Yep, which is why I don't let her play with small dogs, she hasn't figured out the size difference yet. She even wants to play with cats they way she plays with another dog. Can you see a close to 70 lb dog body slamming a 10 lb cat? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-07-2010, 05:04 PM	#9
ovH9wfSJ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 514 Senior Member	I went as far as to walk different routes alone first, then at different times of the day/night. I chose the safest route at the safest time of day/night and always go staying attentive and prepared. I do this because no matter how careful you are, you can not prevent irresponsibility on the part of others. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-07-2010, 05:20 PM	#10
JulietOreira Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 584 Senior Member	People look at me like I'm a jerk, especially the kids when I say "no I'd rather you didn't." or they get scared because they think it's cause he's vicious. I was the same way once upon a time. I honestly believed that since Trudi was very friendly toward strangers in public, allowing a pet or two could do no harm. If fact I thought it may even help the breed overcome the 'vicious dog' image. However, after learning more about the breed and public opinion of them I realized that my well intended, naive thinking was setting my dog up for disaster. Just one mistake, one nip and my dog would make front page local news, end up being hauled away to be destroyed and another black mark would be added against the breed. And it would be all my fault. When I joined this site and read posts by experienced Pit owners I realized that these fears were not paranoia, but justifiable and legitimate concerns. We now have Meia, a wiggly little puppy who wants to make friends with everyone. We are taking her out in public to get her use to being around other people and dogs, but at a distance. We have had several people already who have asked if they can pet her or even pick her up. The answer is now "No"! Yes, you do get looks like you are a jerk or anti-social. So what. And if you get pressed for a reason such as "Why is he vicious?", tell them you are not protecting them from your dog, but rather protecting your dog from them. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-07-2010, 04:40 PM	#11
selayeffethy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 473 Senior Member	And this is my eternal debate. Ike and Rita both really, really like people and I want to keep it that way. I also like getting out there in the world and maybe changing a mind or two. I don't want to say "Don't pet my dogs." because that can easily leave the wrong impression and people are often too stupid to see how I could be protecting my dog from them. I also don't ever want to be resposible for an incident. What I have been doing is letting people who ask pet them and just closely watching both the dogs reactions and the human actions. Anyone I don't like the look or vibe of i just keep going with an excuse like "Sorry, no time today!" Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-07-2010, 04:49 PM	#12
GrileVege Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 629 Senior Member	And this is my eternal debate. Ike and Rita both really, really like people and I want to keep it that way. I also like getting out there in the world and maybe changing a mind or two. I don't want to say "Don't pet my dogs." because that can easily leave the wrong impression and people are often too stupid to see how I could be protecting my dog from them. I also don't ever want to be resposible for an incident. What I have been doing is letting people who ask pet them and just closely watching both the dogs reactions and the human actions. Anyone I don't like the look or vibe of i just keep going with an excuse like "Sorry, no time today!" You can always say, "she's in training right now to ignore distractions". That's what I do with Lily, and most of the time I'm not lying. As for other dogs, if I had a nickel for every off leash dog I see on a walk on a daily basis, I'd be rich. After a couple encounters and some help from PBC peeps, Lily and I are more equipped to deal with a bad situation. I can only walk Liberty at night, when I'm more sure there aren't loose dogs, because she does not have the training that Lily does, and if a dog charged her, well, that would be it for that dog. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-07-2010, 06:24 PM	#13
JulietOreira Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 584 Senior Member	The problem is many people simply do not know how to approach a strange dog to pet it. As buddys dad said, the woman grabbed his dog by the face. This is a big no no regardless if the dog is a Pit or a Peek. Most of us know how our dogs may react in certain situations with strangers, what we never know is how the next stranger is going to act. My feeling are this puts us and our dogs at a disadvantage. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-30-2010, 09:00 PM	#14
Inconykic Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 369 Senior Member	No rest I live in a middle size town in Michigan about 20 min. from Ann Arbor where I work. There's a far amount of dogs, especially on the road I live on that are out walking everyday all day. It's a nice town and I take Buddy walking every evening for about an hour, hour and a half. Some days I put the kids in the wagon, pull them behind me and have buddy on the leash. It's pretty funny seeing the reactions. Anyways is it just me or does it seem like when your out walking with your dog your eyes are constantly pealed for people walking there dogs? I'm constantly looking ahead down the sidewalk, making sure I can see around corners, etc. Especially if I'm in town sitting on the bench or the kids are playing. Instead of enjoying everything, I'm constantly looking around to advert any flare ups. Buddys not completely DA just selectively and it's not so much I'm worried about him, it's making sure other people don't catch me making a mistake or risking looking like I'm not in control of my dog. I'm not complaining, I wouldn't have Buddy any other way. Just curious if others do this too. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-30-2010, 09:05 PM	#15
Nwxffgke Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 550 Senior Member	I walk mine in the Country, and yeah, I am always looking for loose dogs, or anything like that. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-30-2010, 09:06 PM	#16
wmtravelservice Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 604 Senior Member	yea I do the same thing, I hate being surprised, as my post about being charged by a dog yesterday can kinda tell. I watch everywhere when I am walking, the only things that really surprise me are fenced dogs if I don't see them in the fence. I hate looking like I am not in control so I train train train, but that can only get me so far, so I am very vigilant when I walk, its a reason I use a prong and 3 foot lead. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-30-2010, 09:11 PM	#17
karkinadze Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 425 Senior Member	I'm always on the look-out for idiots, whether or not I've got a dog with me. They are in abundance lately. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-30-2010, 09:12 PM	#18
Inconykic Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 369 Senior Member	Yeah, Buddys very well trained and always on a short leash. I just hate being surprised also. Little old ladys with dogs on stretchy leashes get me. I have to pull over, put buddy in a sit stay and wait for grandma to meander past, watching it wrap itself around trees and be baby talked to. (not that I don't baby talk to Buddy). Theres two Datsons who are one the street I always walk that get me every time in their fence. We'll be walking along and BAM! they hit the fence yipping scaring the sh*t out of Buddy and me. LOL Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-30-2010, 09:46 PM	#19
wmtravelservice Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 604 Senior Member	lol yea I know what ya mean, the old ladies seem to be scared of any 70 lb dog (I guess he looks more like 50...as a few people have asked and are shocked at his weight but either way haha) they run back inside most of the time, but yea no matter what one dog seems to always have to startle me on my walk its like your half way past the fence and BAM dog going nuts haha, then I have to turn Goren around because he got startled too, and I don't feel like dealing with fence aggression from dog's I don't know. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-30-2010, 09:57 PM	#20
Inconykic Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 369 Senior Member	It's kinda weird here. It's a mid size city but there aren't a lot of pit bull/bully breed/whatever you want to call them owners around. I don't think theres been a case of an attack. I know the media hypes things but people around here tend to not care so much about my dog, or the couple others I know of. They try to get there dogs to play with mine. Just let there dog wander wherever on a 70ft leash. I had a lady grab Buddy by the face (she asked if she could pet him, I said yes and just..) pull it right up to her's and in baby talk go "your not so tough are you, no your not." Why would you do that to ANY dog? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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