[fudelholf]

i think rescues and shelters need to euthanize much harder, and stop adopting dogs out that have aggression issues
(like food aggression, fear aggression, kennel aggression, etc)

[Pwy9egVW]

I agree APBTlover09. Shelters dont do shit for temperment tests.

[Rurcextedutty]

I advocate killing more dogs in shelters period.... not just "pit bulls" The shelters are over populated, living a life in a box isn't much of a life to me. I think less dogs period should be adopted out.

[Adimos]

Well, this still isn't the solution considering it would only be an endless cycle. I advocate euthanizing a lot more of the human population because we're the real problem and until humans get out of the equation nothing will get fixed or solved and anything around us will continue to suffer whether it's their image or physical self.

[pageup85]

I advocate killing more dogs in shelters period.... not just "pit bulls" The shelters are over populated, living a life in a box isn't much of a life to me. I think less dogs period should be adopted out. The good thing about most shelter type establishments is they wont place a dog unless it is desexed. If someone is going to get a dog then I think better they get one which can't perpetuate the population than not have the option and have to get one from someone who breeds and then not get around to getting them desexed and have another dozen puppies to deal with.

I really don't think rescues are a very big part of the problem. They could tidy their act up with a little more knowledge and then they would be presenting a favourable perspective for the breed.

I think there needs to be less emphasis on "responsible" breeders and "others". Who decides who is a responsible breeder? If you ask anyone who breeds they will almost always claim to be responsible. The fact is a breeder is a breeder and if the pups they breed end up in someone elses hands they have no control over how the dog is treated or the situations it finds itself in.

I think the real problem with image around these parts is not the dogs but the people who own them. The best way to cure the image here would be to take the dogs from everyone who owns them and not let them ever own another animal. I have heard it from so many people when I'm in the apbt community. An owner has one of their other dogs with a litter and they are really glad they "won't have to deal with these people (apbt patrons)".

Set up a gas chamber and announce a pitbull carnival for everyone interested in everything to do with the dogs. Overnight the problem would go away. It is owners who are the problem. Almost everyone here is an owner. It is surely wishful thinking if we think that we don't shoulder some responsibility for the situation.

[Pwy9egVW]

The good thing about most shelter type establishments is they wont place a dog unless it is desexed. If someone is going to get a dog then I think better they get one which can't perpetuate the population than not have the option and have to get one from someone who breeds and then not get around to getting them desexed and have another dozen puppies to deal with.

I really don't think rescues are a very big part of the problem. They could tidy their act up with a little more knowledge and then they would be presenting a favourable perspective for the breed.

I think there needs to be less emphasis on "responsible" breeders and "others". Who decides who is a responsible breeder? If you ask anyone who breeds they will almost always claim to be responsible. The fact is a breeder is a breeder and if the pups they breed end up in someone elses hands they have no control over how the dog is treated or the situations it finds itself in.

I think the real problem with image around these parts is not the dogs but the people who own them. The best way to cure the image here would be to take the dogs from everyone who owns them and not let them ever own another animal. I have heard it from so many people when I'm in the apbt community. An owner has one of their other dogs with a litter and they are really glad they "won't have to deal with these people (apbt patrons)".

Set up a gas chamber and announce a pitbull carnival for everyone interested in everything to do with the dogs. Overnight the problem would go away. It is owners who are the problem. Almost everyone here is an owner. It is surely wishful thinking if we think that we don't shoulder some responsibility for the situation.

Wat..... wow.... all of my dogs are altered and I would never breed.

[shinesw]

i agree wit wood about gettin the facts straight and calling your dog what it is and not what you think it is or want it to be.
i also agree with NC, i never thought of it like that but as terrible as it may sound to some it makes perfect sense.
keep the folks that want "a bad ass pit" AWAY FROM THE BREED!
keep the bleeding hearts that want to save em all and raise em right AWAY FROM THE BREED!!
KEEP EM OFF MAINSTREAM TV, all it does is give people the idea that THEY CAN HANDLE EM (hell if a midget can, why cant they right?) and before they kno they takem em back to the shelter a week later.

basically just keep them out of the publics eye, outta sight outta mind!

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oh yea and 87% of the problem is BYB's

[JNancy46]

people need to quit using this stupid f*cking term "PITBULL"

Help me out here. I have rescue that was labeled a dangerous breed, either because of his appearance, what his previous owner called him or perhaps he has paperwork somewhere that confirms what he is. We don't know that piece. He was scheduled for mandatory euthanasia before being transported into a community with no BSL. What should I call him? Bull dog mix? A mutt? He does show bull dog temperament of some DA. (He won't start anything, but he will finish.) By the way, I had no idea what breed he might be when I was initially matched with him as a volunteer exercise buddy. I've learned pretty much everything about bull dog types from the net and this forum. If I thought it would help, I'd pay for DNA testing, but I've been told that it probably won't give me any info I can use to label him appropriately or to save him from future "dangerous dog" issues.

...killing solely because of what a dog looks like makes you no better than the authorities in Denver...

Or the province of Ontario in Canada.

...stop adopting dogs out that have aggression issues (like food aggression, fear aggression, kennel aggression, etc)

What about dog aggression?

I think the real problem with image around these parts is not the dogs but the people who own them.

You'd never guess me to have a Pit Bull Type dog. I'm a geeky librarian. I don't own anything leather, I've never been on a motorcycle and I don't have a tattoo. I'm a mom and I'm a crazy cat lady. I am an experienced dog owner. I didn't search for my dog, somehow he found me when I felt called to volunteer for local dog rescue. I do believe in fate. And I'm here to learn all I can.

[TimoDassss]

Corky i would simply call your dog a mix breed, or heinz 57. no offense intended, but you honestly have no clue what he is, so it wouldnt be a lie. but i can assure you of this, if he bites someone, he will be labeled a "pitbull" cuz thats what sells papers. the media uses the term enough, lets not follow in their tracks. i guess in a roundabout way, thats my point.

[JNancy46]

"pitbull"...the media uses the term enough, lets not follow in their tracks.

Good point. Thank you. Any tips on having the city and the vet remove the term from a mutt dog's records?

[extessarere]

I'm not sure but if you ask your vet if he can 100% identify what mix it is he will most probably tell you 'no' as there are too many similar looking breeds. If he specifies that the dog is just a mutt(no offense, I have aswell) then you could go from there. If you have good relationship with the vet should be easy as pie.

[TimoDassss]

yep, id start with the vet, and if he/she agrees you have a mutt, you can at least take a crack at convincing the city the same.

[pageup85]

basically just keep them out of the publics eye, outta sight outta mind I pretty much disagree with this completely in terms of improving the image. It may stop some of the witch hunt, but people will still think they are their biggest fears.

People will only have their perceptions changed by first hand interaction with them. They will be too afraid to do this if the owners look undesirable or the dogs exhibit any sort of antisocial behaviour. If they can meet friendly dogs which challenge all the claims of them being bloodthirsty out of control monsters then they may begin to accept them. The problem with this option is so many of the "good" owners would rather bury their heads in the sand like dinosaurs rather than face the changing environment and adapt to continue to exist.

[NKUDirectory]

now i know there are plenty of responsible folks ON HERE that rescue, but id bet the amount that arent "out there" is astonishing. This is true...I am involved with rescue and some of the things that people out there in the rescue world try to do can be down right frightening at best. Many don't have the dogs best interest at heart at all but their own interest in what will make them feel better about themselves. It is sad and a large part of the problem. They don't even realize it and when you try to enlighten them they just scream at you and say that you are not a compassionate person and even the dogs that attack people deserve a second chance.....scary but that is an actual converstion I have had on more that one occassion with fellow rescue people.

[Ygd2qr8k]

I'll go back to my blog.... Kill more and rescue out less... too many bleeding hearts want to rescue a "pit bull" they want to rescue this "big bad dog" and show that its all how raise them....

If there are less of them out there, less of them in shelters, then the fewer people that shouldn't have them will have them...

Yes I believe that bybs are a huge problem... but they have a right to do with their property what they wish to do, and its impossible to past legislation against bybs and not have it effect responsible breeders too.... so I don't want to see those rights infringed on.

But as it was sad earlier... tell the WHOLE story when you talk about these dogs.

Yes I have an American Pit Bull Terrier... Yes they were bred for the purpose of dog fighting.... Yes they are more often than not dog aggressive... Yes yours WILL fight whether you believe it or not. Yes this is a breed that is not for everyone and should not be promoted as a breed to be owned by everyone. No it doesn't matter how much you love your dog, your dog may still want to kill every dog it sees.... and so forth and so on.

Spot on my friend.

The truth shall set you free !

Whenever I speak to anyone in regards to the breed I never ever sguar-coat it. It is what it is, anyone who has lived with a terrier at some point or another can relate. Our breed is no different than that of other working terriers, our is just more enhanced to be the ultimate game hunter.

[maxfreemann]

If byb's are a large part of the problem why don't we try to get laws that enforce ethical breeding standards. Even using it as a way to fight BSL

[NKUDirectory]

If byb's are a large part of the problem why don't we try to get laws that enforce ethical breeding standards. Even using it as a way to fight BSL

I personally feel that laws like these go hand in hand with BSL

[Rurcextedutty]

Because those laws are basically impossible to enforce.... I'd rather the police be spending more time trying to catch the serial rapist down in Fayetteville, NC than worrying about how many dogs my neighbor is breeding and whether or not they've been health tested.

If byb's are a large part of the problem why don't we try to get laws that enforce ethical breeding standards. Even using it as a way to fight BSL

[giturbewan]

i agree wit wood about gettin the facts straight and calling your dog what it is and not what you think it is or want it to be.
i also agree with NC, i never thought of it like that but as terrible as it may sound to some it makes perfect sense.
keep the folks that want "a bad ass pit" AWAY FROM THE BREED!
keep the bleeding hearts that want to save em all and raise em right AWAY FROM THE BREED!!
KEEP EM OFF MAINSTREAM TV, all it does is give people the idea that THEY CAN HANDLE EM (hell if a midget can, why cant they right?) and before they kno they takem em back to the shelter a week later.

basically just keep them out of the publics eye, outta sight outta mind!

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oh yea and 87% of the problem is BYB's

So why do you own the breed?

[grudabor]

LMMFAO! i agree on the rescue thing man. i know im gonna piss some folks off, but seriously, everyone bitches about overpopulation being such a problem. PUT SHELTER DOGS DOWN. ive heard to many bad results from em, and i believe they do not end up in the right hands anyway. seems plenty of folks put on a "nice guy" face, talks the talk, and walks home with a dog they were to cheap to buy from a reputable breeder in the first place. now i know there are plenty of responsible folks ON HERE that rescue, but id bet the amount that arent "out there" is astonishing. i know i sound cold, but i have the breeds best interest in mind, and like the old saying goes, ya gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.

Walk down bite case row at AC and 99.9% of the time it's not a dog from a shelter sitting in that cage. It's the product of some BYB that the people have owned since it was a pup or some stray.

I agree we need to be more specific when we are referring to APBTs.

Shelters/rescues need to stop trying to place HA dogs. I have advocated for the euthanasia of certain HA dogs that were later placed - the politics and PR need to be taken OUT of animal control. Animals shouldn't be allowed to be adopted out until they pass behavioral exams.

The public needs to be educated on where to get a dog from (BYB are a problem for all breeds) AND what to expect from an APBT. I think this begins in schools. It should continue with veterinarians advising customers. I wish more APBT owners would take their dogs to schools and educate on how to properly approach dogs, where you should go to get a dog and educate on breed characteristics (focusing on the 3 mentioned earlier).