[Guloqkcm]

Where's that thread at about someones vet going to a city council meeting about BSL, and the vet stood up and rattled off the list of dogs to ban that were related in some way to pit bulls (like labs, newfies, etc., basically every dog breed)?

[Qutlsilh]

I don't have time to look this up so can someone help me find concrete stats regarding dog bites and pit bulls? There is a God awful thread on the city data forum regarding pit bulls and I would like to present stats to the people talking shit.

If any of you can help, I would greatly appreciate it.

[seperalem]

i dont think that statistic will do you any good. too many dogs labeled as "pitbulls" biting folks, but the canine tempermant test results could be usefull

[KuznehikVasaN]

atts.org gives you the passing percentage of APBTs v.s. other breeds.

[unatkot]

Honestly I don't think you will find any. Not all bites get reported, not all 'pit bulls' are even bull dogs. Even atts.org test site is skewed because they don't have each breed with the same number of dogs.

[KuznehikVasaN]

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dog-bites/

[seperalem]

i agree, its not the most efficient testing method done, it is a nice little bit of info to throw in a haters face. the average moron is gonna have a tough time intelligently arguing numbers if you have a % of Labs vs APBTs that pass right under their nose. thats the only reason i suggested it, i didnt say it was perfect

[KuznehikVasaN]

Honestly I don't think you will find any. Not all bites get reported, not all 'pit bulls' are even bull dogs. Even atts.org test site is skewed because they don't have each breed with the same number of dogs.

You don't need the same number of dogs to be able to do a comparison. You just need a sample that is large enough to be representative of the breed (for example, 50 isn't enough but 500 is pretty good) and then compare a pass/fail percentages and do statistical analysis to see if there is a significant difference.

They give you the percentages but you have to do the analysis. It's been a year since I took statistics and it has kind of left my brain but I know you can do it.

[seperalem]

You don't need the same number of dogs to be able to do a comparison. You just need a sample that is large enough to be representative of the breed (for example, 50 isn't enough but 500 is pretty good) and then compare a pass/fail percentages and do statistical analysis to see if there is a significant difference.

They give you the percentages but you have to do the analysis. It's been a year since I took statistics and it has kind of left my brain but I know you can do it.

its been 19 years since i took it

[VladFal]

The CDC stopped keeping track of breeds involved in bites - I do not know of any sources which accurately keep track of that type of information. Of course, there is a never ending supply of info out on the web about dog bites, etc. I find this article to be a good (and credible) one but it does not give breed stats so most likely not helpful to what you are wanting.

http://www.avma.org/public_health/dogbite/dogbite.pdf

[Qutlsilh]

I tried that and it didn't work. The ignorant people are still resting on the laurels of media and propaganda and firmly believe pit bulls are vicious, dangerous, animals.

[KuznehikVasaN]

its been 19 years since i took it

And you probably reember just as much as I do I'm graduating in two weeks so it hasn't been that long for me. It was a major requirement but interesting none the less.

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I tried that and it didn't work. The ignorant people are still resting on the laurels of media and propaganda and firmly believe pit bulls are vicious, dangerous, animals.

There was a break down on here about last years DBFs broken down. Let me see if I can find it.

This isn't it, but also useful:


Then which are the pit bulls that get into trouble? “The ones that the legislation is geared toward have aggressive tendencies that are either bred in by the breeder, trained in by the trainer, or reinforced in by the owner,” Herkstroeter says. A mean pit bull is a dog that has been turned mean, by selective breeding, by being cross-bred with a bigger, human-aggressive breed like German shepherds or Rottweilers, or by being conditioned in such a way that it begins to express hostility to human beings. A pit bull is dangerous to people, then, not to the extent that it expresses its essential pit bullness but to the extent that it deviates from it. A pit-bull ban is a generalization about a generalization about a trait that is not, in fact, general. That’s a category problem.

And this:

When we have more problems with pit bulls, it’s not necessarily a sign that pit bulls are more dangerous than other dogs. It could just be a sign that pit bulls have become more numerous.

The dogs that bite people are, in many cases, socially isolated because their owners are socially isolated, and they are vicious because they have owners who want a vicious dog. The junk-yard German shepherd—which looks as if it would rip your throat out—and the German-shepherd guide dog are the same breed. But they are not the same dog, because they have owners with different intentions.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/02/06/060206fa_fact?currentPage=3

This is the 2009 dog bite fatality report that I was thinking of:
http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2010/01/2009-dog-bite-fatalities-final-report.html

It shows that most fatalities because of human error and there are a wide variety of breeds that are responsible and shows the edias bias reporting.

[unatkot]

Well with a little math you can get accurate percentage with one breed vs another even with different dog count I just meant people look at those results like they are law when statistically statistics don't generally mean much. If I had an HA dog I probably wouldn't be testing it for TT.

[Qutlsilh]

Here are the two threads that have my blood boiling:

How to defeat a pit bull using your bare hands (stats, death) - Politics and Other Controversies -Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - City-Data Forum

News, Baby mauled by two pit bulls. (death, states, 2010) - Politics and Other Controversies -Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - City-Data Forum

[KuznehikVasaN]

Well with a little math you can get accurate percentage with one breed vs another even with different dog count I just meant people look at those results like they are law when statistically statistics don't generally mean much. If I had an HA dog I probably wouldn't be testing it for TT.

Very true

[Ifroham4]

Based on the threads provided, no amount of statistics, factual information, or anything of the sort will get through to them. They go into detail about "ripping [a pit bull] from stem to stern with a blade," etc.

[unatkot]

Based on the threads provided, no amount of statistics, factual information, or anything of the sort will get through to them. They go into detail about "ripping [a pit bull] from stem to stern with a blade," etc.

Well that's nice...

[Qutlsilh]

Thank you for the information. Everything helps even though it may be futile.

[seperalem]

yeah, i went thru about 6 pages of the child attacked thread, and it was a lost cause. theres no fixin stubborn stupid

[kranfid]

Dog bite statistics are tricky because of several different reasons:

1. There is NO governing body that accurately collects dog bite information.
2. Many, many dog bites go unreported whether it be because the victim did not require and/or get medical attention or because medical personnel did not report the bite to the appropriate authorities or because there was/is not authority to whom the bite can be reported.
3. Breed misidentification occurs a lot. Most people are ignorant about the different dog breeds and mutts get labeled as something just for the sake of giving it a name.
4. Some people just lie whether done to protect their own dog that actually did the biting or because they want 15 minutes of fame.

I'm sure there are many more reasons, but those are the immediate ones off the top of my head. When you combine all that, you've basically got one big mess that then encourages officials to make up their own statsitics to further whatever agenda they have.