[leflyCode]

Ive been thinking a lot about breeding Cleo. I really want one of her daughters. And i just want the experience of having her little pups running around and for her to be a mother at least once. One of the reasons i would not want to do it is because i dont want the pups ending up in shelters and used for fighting. My dad used to breed Blackmouth Curs and he said he'd help find a stud and with the birth. But Cleo's my little baby, and i dont want any complications with the breeding or birth. I already have a handful of relatives who want one of her pups if she has them, so they would go to wonderful homes and i would be able to see them whenever i wanted. I would like to know everyones opinions on this. It would help a lot!

[lomonel]

Code of Ethics For (REPUTABLE) Breeders of American Pit Bull Terriers/American Staffordshire Terriers

Section I: Introduction & Mission Statement

Introduction: This Code of Ethics is being presented by the Pit Bull Owners Alliance (PBOA). The material presented herein is to serve as a guide for breeders and reference tool for potential buyers seeking out breeders. The goal in presenting this Code of Ethics is not to promote Pit Bull breeding, but rather to discourage indiscriminate breeding, poor breeding practices, and support of unethical breeders. PBOA supports and encourages rescue above and beyond breeding or purchasing Pit Bulls.

Mission Statement: The ethical breeder of American Pit Bull Terriers and/or American Staffordshire Terriers ("Pit Bulls") shall always hold paramount the future of the breed. A desire for betterment and preservation of the Pit Bull breed should be the sole driving force behind a breeder's choice to produce puppies.

1) The breed's future: because of a) anti-Pit Bull legislation, b) irresponsible ownership, c) criminal animal abuse, and d) a surplus of dogs, the future of the Pit Bull is in jeopardy. Prior to planning a litter, a breeder should ask himself/herself if the litter will jeopardize the future of the breed by contributing in any way to a, b, c, and/or d above.

2) Betterment of the breed: the goal of the ethical Pit Bull breeder should always be, first and foremost, to better the breed through the production of puppies that are as good as or superior to the previous generation. Production of Pit Bulls that ideally represent the United Kennel Club (UKC), American Dog Breeders Association (ADBA), and/or American Kennel Club (AKC) Standard(s) should be considered the pinnacle of a Pit Bull breeding program.

3) Preservation of the breed: ethical breeders should work to preserve, through legal and humane means, the Pit Bull breed as it was, is and should be. Means to achieve this goal include: protecting the integrity of the breed through adherence to the Standards; careful culling (via sterilization, and/or humane euthanasia when necessary) of sub-standard stock; meticulous record-keeping, DNA profiling, microchipping, and pedigree research; studying to achieve a scholarly knowledge of breed history, temperament, health, structure, and genetics.

Section II: Actions of the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder

Note 1: For simplicity’s sake, "dog" will apply to both sexes. “Breeding stock” will apply to any dog or dogs that the Ethical Pit Bull breeder will breed, allow to be bred, or pay for the breeding services of.

Note 2: The pedigrees (previous generations) of all breeding stock should be considered as important as the breeding stock itself.

Note 3: Proper care, management and training are beyond the scope of this document. However an Ethical Pit Bull Breeder keeps their dogs well trained, in good health, in clean quarters, provides daily exercise and mental stimulation, and does not keep more dogs than can adequately be provided for.

The Ethical Pit Bull Breeder chooses breeding stock based on several criteria:

a) correctness of temperament (see #2 and Item 2)
b) health and vitality of the individual dogs (see #3, Item 3, and Note 3)
c) conformity to the applicable breed standard of the recognized Pit Bull registry (see # 5)
d) qualities the individual dogs may offer to future generations
e) qualities the pedigrees of the individual dogs may offer to future generations

The Ethical Pit Bull Breeder holds “A” and “B” above paramount above all other considerations when choosing breeding stock.

The Ethical Pit Bull Breeder:

1) has an extensive knowledge of Pit Bulls (their history, genetics, the Standards, care, training), as well as a strong understanding of breeding practices, canine health, and dog behavior/training

2) chooses breeding stock that is temperamentally sound and representative of the Standards. In addition, the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder does not breed any Pit Bull that is human-aggressive, fearful, exhibits behavior typically seen in breeds of the protection/guardian group, nor any Pit Bull that is not “temperament correct” (see item 3 below).

Item 2: The temperament correct Pit Bull: seeks out human interaction; is responsive, biddable and eager to please; may be genetically predisposed to aggression towards other dogs or animals; is appropriately submissive; is well balanced and optimistic; enjoys handling; presents good eye contact; is able to be calm in the presence of other dogs on leash or - if initially leash reactive - can learn how to tolerate their presence; is willing to connect with handler during high arousal; can be handled safely even in times of high arousal; accepts a reasonable amount of confinement; drops arousal levels quickly when removed from a stressful situation; is social with people of all types; is responsive and good natured; is never aggressive towards humans.


3) health tests all breeding stock prior to breeding, and certifies health of breeding stock prior to breeding where such certifications are available. Tests and certifications shall be conducted and processed prior to any dog being bred. Required health tests and certifications include: hips, elbows, thyroid, and heart (evaluated and certified by organizations such as Orthopedic Foundation for Animals [OFA] for hips, elbows, thyroid, and heart, or PennHip for hips). Dogs should test negative for Brucellosis and von Willebrand's Disease. Additional testing may be conducted for the following health abnormalties: Spinocerebellar/Hereditary Ataxia (specifically on American Staffordshire Terriers), and Progressive Retinal Atrophy (PRA) with subsequent registration with Canine Eye Registry Foundation (CERF) encouraged for dogs free of PRA. Results and certifications of any and all tests will be made readily available to potential buyers if tested and certified dogs will be bred. In addition, immediately prior to each breeding, all breeding stock should pass a basic veterinary health examination and be determined to be in good health.

Item 3: No dog with unsatisfactory health tests and/or certification results shall ever be bred. Unsatisfactory results would be (among others):

a) OFA hip ratings below fair
b) OFA elbow ratings that indicated elbow dysplasia
c) PennHip ratings that show abnormal joint laxity
d) thyroids that do not test normal; thyroids that test TgAA positive
e) hearts that are not found to be clear of murmurs or other abnormalities upon examination with a Doppler (ultrasound) exam by a Board Certified Cardiologist
f) positive tests for Spincerebellar/Hereditary Ataxia
g) positive tests for PRA
h) positive tests for any other hereditary/congenital/genetic disease

Note 3) No dog that has ever been diagnosed with a hereditary/congenital skin disease (including demodectic mange) shall ever be bred. A dog with chronic health problems (such as skin allergies) and/or weaknesses, and/or immune weakness shall never be bred. A dog that has torn anterior cruxiate cigaments (ACL) shall never be bred unless the torn ligaments were damaged because of conceivable stress and/or injury which indicate normal environmental causes and not hereditary/congenital/genetic weakness.

5) chooses breeding stock that conforms to the Standard(s) of the applicable recognized Pit Bull registry.

6) registers breeding stock and produced litters with a recognized Pit Bull registry.
Item 1: For the sake of this Code of Ethics, recognized Pit Bull registries will be considered the United Kennel Club and the American Dog Breeders Association (for American Pit Bull Terriers and American Staffordshire Terriers being registered as American Pit Bull Terriers), and the American Kennel Club (for American Staffordshire Terriers). These organizations are the oldest and hold breed standards that are most sought after and followed.

7) only breeds mature (over 2 years of age) dogs. Does not breed elderly bitches, nor does the Ethical Pit Bull breeder breed any one bitch more than once every 24 months.

8) seeks validation of quality of breeding stock through competition in organized dog sports and subsequent achievement of titles and certifications such as:

a) UKC, ADBA, and AKC conformation, obedience, agility, and performance titles
b) certifications such as the AKC’s Canine Good Citizen (CGC), American Temperament
Test Society’s Temperament Tested (TT), Therapy Dogs International’s Therapy Dog International (TDI), and other similar, valid certifications.
c) events, titles, and certifications offered by other valid organizations.

9) breeds less than 3 litters every year. Should ideally breed no more than 1 litter a year.

10) breeds when there is a specific demand for the puppies, and owners for puppies have been predetermined before birth.

Section III: Puppies, Placement, and Care

Note 5: Section III also applies to adolescent dogs and/or adult dogs any breeder may have in their care and potentially place.

1) chooses homes based on ability to properly care for and handle a Pit Bull, and acts as match maker between puppy/dog and potential owner to ensure compatibility.

Item 4: The quality of the home any puppy or dog is placed into should be of great importance. The Ethical Pit Bull Breeder only considers a potential owner that:

a) has already done good breed research. Asks good questions. Shows willingness to learn more
b) is realistic about breed challenges (dog-aggression, high energy levels, strong and pushy, breed specific legislation, rental and home owners insurance issues, bad reputation of breed, etc.)
c) shows a stable, mature, open-minded personality
d) is happy to be interviewed and receive a home inspection
e) is physically capable of handling a strong dog
f) wants an indoor pet as a companion animal/family member
g) has had some dog experience and knowledge of basic training.
h) has a reasonably active lifestyle and is prepared to satisfy dog's daily exercise needs
i) owns a home or has a secure rental that will allow a Pit Bull (should provide proof in lease)
j) can provide safe containment: tall, secure fences if yard is present and working latches on gates.
k) lives in a household (includes roommates, children, seniors) that is involved in the decision to bring a Pit Bull into the family and is able to help manage a dog
l) has other pets in the home that are a good match and understands that Pit Bull must be separated from other pets when not supervised

12) socializes and conducts basic training with all puppies before sending them to their new homes.

13) microchips all puppies prior to sending them to their new homes.

14) does not place puppies under 8 weeks of age.

15) does not place puppies in areas where breed specific legislation that would endanger the puppy’s life or quality of life exists.

16) provides legally-binding, non-expiring contracts upon purchase that protect buyer as well as puppy. Contract certifies health (congenital, genetic, hereditary) and temperamental soundness of puppy. Assures puppy is disease-free prior to placement through records detailing proper veterinary and health care. Contract includes clause that requires new owner to relocate with the dog, or return the dog to the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder in the event that breed specific legislation that would endanger the puppy’s life or quality of life is enacted in the new owner’s city/state.

17) takes responsibility for any puppy produced, during any point in the lifetime of that puppy, should the original home become unable to care for the puppy or grown adult dog.

18) sends puppies home with papers from the recognized Pit Bull registry to allow the new owner to register the puppy in his/her name; unless the puppy is pet stock and is not spayed or neutered prior to going to new home, in which case, the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder will withhold papers until the new owner can provide proof of spay/neuter. It is strongly advised, however, that the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder spays/neuters all pet stock prior to placement in new homes.

Item 5: “Pet stock” is any puppy that is not or would not potentially be bred by an Ethical Pit Bull Breeder, and/or any puppy that will not potentially be shown in conformation events.

19) after sending puppy home, offers support indefinitely to new owner by way of breed counseling, training/behavior advice, health care information, referrals, etc.

20) recognizes that breeding is not a money making venture, a business, nor a means to bring in extra money. Stud fees and sale prices of puppies should reflect the costs of ethical breeding. The ethical breeder does not see a profit at the end of the year, but may actually see a loss.

(C) 2005 Mary Harwelik & Pit Bull Owners Alliance

[DP5Ups8o]

I am not educated on breeding but MY major concern would be this.....everyone THINKS they want a puppy until they get it home and it goes potty in the house one to many times or they dont have the time for it they thought they did etc etc (to see a complete list of excuses to get rid of their puppy/dog look at craigslist)

I think we have ALOT of dogs running around right now and unless you are breeding for specific purposes I think you are making a mistake. Dogs dont need the experience of having puppies. Its not something they even think about. Instinct drives animals to breed to preserve the species not because they lay awake at night thinking about having a baby.

It would be my thought that every baby you are giving away is a dog/puppy who could have been rescued from a shelter/rescue center

[U2DnBGFE]

Your wanting to breed for every wrong reason there is. Please do an in-depth search on this topic and get your dog spayed as soon as you can.

[Ornamiviant]

Just one word: NO!

[lomonel]

i'm sorry, but my answer is NOT TO BREED
Breeder Code of Ethics
health testing... Doesn't mean just a yearly vet check - health nutritional care
free and low-cost spay/neuter database - health nutritional care
points to consider before breeding your dog - general dog discussions
recognizing an unethical breeder - health nutritional care
are you a backyard breeder?
so, you want to breed your female?
what you don't see at the pound
warning: Very sad and true! A must watch for anyone who wants to breed.
:'( heartbreaking letter from a man who works at a highkill shelter

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Dog in labor

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What do I need to do before I breed my bitch?_
http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=49976

[sportlife]

Just get her spayed and enjoy her. We don't need anymore pups brought into this world. If you're so afraid of the pups ending up in shelters it's simple please do not breed her.

Here's a sticky you should check out and it will make you think. Good luck!
So you want to breed your female ..

[Wrasialat]

Ive been thinking a lot about breeding Cleo. I really want one of her daughters. And i just want the experience of having her little pups running around and for her to be a mother at least once. One of the reasons i would not want to do it is because i dont want the pups ending up in shelters and used for fighting. My dad used to breed Blackmouth Curs and he said he'd help find a stud and with the birth. But Cleo's my little baby, and i dont want any complications with the breeding or birth. I already have a handful of relatives who want one of her pups if she has them, so they would go to wonderful homes and i would be able to see them whenever i wanted. I would like to know everyones opinions on this. It would help a lot!

yeah that would be great huh,put more dogs out into the system,all because you want your dog to be a mother,that is the most ridiculous irresponsible thing i have ever heard.

[lomonel]

i agree that we DON'T NEED anymore puppies brought into this world. because there are thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and millions of puppies & dogs getting PTS, every day. NOT everyone can be saved. please we don't need anymore :'( :'( because you can't SAVE THEM ALL :'(

[Tusethede]

I bred for the same reason you want to, and trust me, it's not worth it. Do yourself and your dog a favor and get her spayed.

Read this if you need to understand where I am coming from.
http://www.pitbull-chat.com/blog.php?b=198

[leflyCode]

Yeah i just knew most of yall would be against it. I just wanted your opinions more than anything. I doubt ill do it. It was just a thought. I was against breeding them too. But i just couldnt help but thinking what it would be like to have little pups around. It was such a joy and a great experience when i was a little girl.

[AriaDesser]

Ive been thinking a lot about breeding Cleo. I really want one of her daughters.

wrong reason IMO...

And i just want the experience of having her little pups running around

again, wrong reason

and for her to be a mother at least once.

wrong reason yet again...

One of the reasons i would not want to do it is because i dont want the pups ending up in shelters

if you breed, there is allways a chance that they end up in sheltres, unless you state that every buyer must return any unwanted pup to you so you can find other families, keep the pup(s) yourself, or have them euthed.
but the real question is: are you prepared for that?

and used for fighting.

lolz... I don't want to sound like a smartass or anything, but I really doubt those dogs will be any good as fighting dogs thus I highly doubt someone will use them for such purposes...

My dad used to breed Blackmouth Curs and he said he'd help find a stud and with the birth.

finding a stud for a Blackmouth Cur and for a "pit bull" is a whole other issue... you need MUCH knowledge on the breed (any breed you consider breeding) before even thinking of breeding.

But Cleo's my little baby, and i dont want any complications with the breeding or birth.

there's allways a chance for complications...
are you ready to deal with the eventual costs of a C-section? they are pretty expensive... or any other medical costs for that matter...
speaking of medical care and stuff... is your dog health tested? are her parents and grandparents health tested?
and I don't mean a yearly vet check and UPD on shots
those tests are expensive...

I already have a handful of relatives who want one of her pups if she has them, so they would go to wonderful homes and i would be able to see them whenever i wanted.

yes, everyone has allready a handfull of people wanting pups, untill they hit the ground... think about that, can you afford 6 to 10 pups + mamma dog?

I would like to know everyones opinions on this. It would help a lot!


my opinion is: don't breed.

good reasons to breed would be to improve the breed.

knowing everything about breed history, having a damn good mentor and knowing everything damn there is to know about your dog and the stud dog and their peds, plus showing or working your dog.

without all that, breeding to better the breed is something IMO impossible to accomplish.

reply's in bold

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Yeah i just knew most of yall would be against it. I just wanted your opinions more than anything. I doubt ill do it. It was just a thought. I was against breeding them too. But i just couldnt help but thinking what it would be like to have little pups around. It was such a joy and a great experience when i was a little girl.

of course it's great to have little pups running around, really, who wouldn't want that?!

but it is possible, but it takes time...

you seem to have an ambully (going by your avatar) you could become the next (and one of the rare!) responsible ambully breeders lol ^^
if you are truely interested in breeding, take your time, don't jump in to quickly or you will regret it

[leflyCode]

good reasons to breed would be to improve the breed.

knowing everything about breed history, having a damn good mentor and knowing everything damn there is to know about your dog and the stud dog and their peds, plus showing or working your dog.

without all that, breeding to better the breed is something IMO impossible to accomplish.

reply's in bold

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of course it's great to have little pups running around, really, who wouldn't want that?!

but it is possible, but it takes time...

you seem to have an ambully (going by your avatar) you could become the next (and one of the rare!) responsible ambully breeders lol ^^
if you are truely interested in breeding, take your time, don't jump in to quickly or you will regret it

Thank you very much for your input on this

If i did get into breeding, id really like to bring back the classic Bullies, like RE Throwin Knuckles.

Although i doubt ill ever breed. Again, it was just an idea

[GinaIsWild]

My/ first thought after reading your post was exactly what mia already said.
You want to breed for all the wrong reasons. If you want another pup like cleo, get on the waiting list for the next litter whelped by her dam. Then you will be able to have one that is similar, minus the good intention gone bad. Every byb breeeds for those exact reasons.

If you think you can contribute to the breed, get some conformation titles and athletic titles on her. Then get a mentor and learn, learn learn!! Then you will know exactly what dog you want to breed and why, and you would already have a full waiting list from people at shows meeting her.

[newpiknicker]

Do not breed her it will only cause you more stress. You will end up constantly worrying about the puppies and if the puppies go to family you may end up pissed off at a family member because they will not be taken care of the way you believe they should be if they go to a friend you may lose a friendship for the same reason. Lots of great dogs in Shelters looking for a home and you will never get a dog like the one you have now even if its one of her pups. also like already mentioned go back and get a pup from the same line.

[VEGLAS - SPB]

Something no-one has mentioned is you say you want to experience little pups running around. I think you think you want little pups running around. Something you will have to trust me on, puppies are a pain in the backside and within a few days of them getting into everything you will be tearing your hair out.

[downtowndude]

Go for it! The world needs more "classic bulies" like Razors Edge lines around. I'm being sarcastic. Don't do it. The APBT world will thank you.

[huntbytnkbel]

I wouldn't breed her for the reasons you posted.Not enough there IMHO,to risk the breeding.If she has issues you could LOSE HER,to your desire to have a mini-cleo.
Enjoy her uniqueness,love her to bits,spoil her while she is with you,and spay her while your at it.She (and all of the dogs at the shelter) will thank you for it.

[kabelshik]

Although i doubt ill ever breed. Again, it was just an idea Glad to hear it.

[GinaIsWild]

Something no-one has mentioned is you say you want to experience little pups running around. I think you think you want little pups running around. Something you will have to trust me on, puppies are a pain in the backside and within a few days of them getting into everything you will be tearing your hair out.

if you want little puppies running around, foster a mother and a litter, or some young pups. it's way fun, and you'll be able to do something good for the dogs.