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Old 01-13-2010, 04:24 PM   #1
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It may dwindle to the point of extinction in America.... but right now in China its like the 1950s and such were in the states... its very open its very big.... game dogs are out there they are just going to be harder and harder to get a hold of.
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Old 01-13-2010, 06:19 PM   #2
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too many people know how important the game dog is. Not sure about everywhere else but here, most of our dogs actually do work out in the yard. I know people who use their APBT for pest control. lol.
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Old 01-13-2010, 08:58 PM   #3
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I would say the circles will just close up and the dogs will be around, but no-one will know it. Only criminals will own them so anyone who doesn't want to be labelled as such will have to settle for a good healthy dog which is not game bred. They would hardly be losing in this case.
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Old 01-13-2010, 09:01 PM   #4
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game dogs are out there they are just going to be harder and harder to get a hold of.
As it should be, as it was meant to be.

An old dogman once told me that even private publications like Your Friend and Mine were too much to be out there...

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Old 01-13-2010, 11:52 PM   #5
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I guess the question for me is game vs gamebred. I have no doubt there are some true dogmen left regardless of what anyone thinks of the sport, but there are more thugs only after money and winners and the winner is not always the most game. So I think there will be much less game dogs but since most people can't handle a game dog this is not a bad thing at all
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:33 AM   #6
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most people can't handle a game dog Again assuming a game dog needs to be a psychotic menace, which I don't believe to be the case.
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:32 AM   #7
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Again assuming a game dog needs to be a psychotic menace, which I don't believe to be the case.
Is the comment alluding to the fact that the dog is a psychotic menace?

Not being sarcastic, seriously asking.

I always assumed when comments were made about APBT's and game dogs specifically, not being to be able to be handled by the average person - that the reference was in regard to the average person not understanding the need and not being willing to put the time and energy into securing the dog 24/7 because of the propensity for serious DA.
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:48 AM   #8
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Is the comment alluding to the fact that the dog is a psychotic menace?

Not being sarcastic, seriously asking.

I always assumed when comments were made about APBT's and game dogs specifically, not being to be able to be handled by the average person - that the reference was in regard to the average person not understanding the need and not being willing to put the time and energy into securing the dog 24/7 because of the propensity for serious DA.
Good assumption Jazzy, thats how i presume it to be aswell.

Gamedogs are not a menace, they are a handful. Most people can barely handle an average bred dog nevermind dealing with one that requires more attention to detail and exercise.
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Old 01-14-2010, 03:15 AM   #9
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Good assumption Jazzy, thats how i presume it to be aswell.

Gamedogs are not a menace, they are a handful. Most people can barely handle an average bred dog nevermind dealing with one that requires more attention to detail and exercise.
Most people cannot handle a toddler. If you look at the 2009 bite statistics, many of them involve free range roaming toddlers.

If people can't keep a 2 year old under lock and key; the prospects for managing a dog that requires supervision and containment don't look too good.
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:39 PM   #10
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the average person not understanding the need and not being willing to put the time and energy into securing the dog 24/7 because of the propensity for serious DA.
Exactly right! It's a very different experience from having a Lab, to say the least
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:55 PM   #11
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I think its only going to get harder for new comers to get their hands on game dogs. But I think the game APBT will live on for my life time.
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Old 01-16-2010, 12:00 PM   #12
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I had labs growing up and they can be very DA. my last female i had hated dogs lol. Granted all of them are country dogs and they usually seem to be more protective of their property.
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Old 01-16-2010, 02:40 PM   #13
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God I hope so! It mystifies me why people would want a dog who is dangerous to other animals. Dogs were domesticated to be companions and helpers, not agents of destruction. They just want to love us and humans have twisted that love and eagerness to please to create a breed who has inspired the world to enact BSL -- something that never used to exist.

Pits are terriers first, last and always. They will always have some level of aggression, as do all terriers. Most people who own a terrier can't handle it whether it's a Yorkie, an Airedale or a pit. Why keep a breed trait that is more than most people can handle -- it's only resulting in pits being killed by the thousands.

I have a game bred dog, straight out of the fighting ring. She lost so they beat her almost to death. After rehab she is safe with other dogs. Shouldn't making sure our dogs are safe around other dogs/animals be the ethical goal of anyone with pits?
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Old 01-16-2010, 03:40 PM   #14
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I have a game bred dog, straight out of the fighting ring. She lost so they beat her almost to death. After rehab she is safe with other dogs. Shouldn't making sure our dogs are safe around other dogs/animals be the ethical goal of anyone with pits?
Not for me and many others, our mission is to preserve the breed as we've known it. I want my dog to have the look, the heart and the drive of its ancestors, anything less is a diservice to any breed. None of the traditionalist that I know are going to breed more user-friendly dogs to suit the needs of those who have no business owning them in the first place. Not all APBT's are DA either, alot of them tend to be however, that is not going to slow any of us down nor do any of us see the need to cull that desire out of our dogs. If you cannot handle a DA dog then you have no business owning a terrier period. None of us are going to change our breeding practice just so YOU can have a dog, find another breed if these dogs are too much for you and leave them to us, the ones who accpet them as they are and know how to proper care for & handle them.


P.S. I've heard somewhere that goldfish make excellent pets.
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Old 01-16-2010, 04:35 PM   #15
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God I hope so! It mystifies me why people would want a dog who is dangerous to other animals. Dogs were domesticated to be companions and helpers, not agents of destruction. They just want to love us and humans have twisted that love and eagerness to please to create a breed who has inspired the world to enact BSL -- something that never used to exist.

Pits are terriers first, last and always. They will always have some level of aggression, as do all terriers. Most people who own a terrier can't handle it whether it's a Yorkie, an Airedale or a pit. Why keep a breed trait that is more than most people can handle -- it's only resulting in pits being killed by the thousands.

I have a game bred dog, straight out of the fighting ring. She lost so they beat her almost to death. After rehab she is safe with other dogs. Shouldn't making sure our dogs are safe around other dogs/animals be the ethical goal of anyone with pits?
WOW...

Where have I heard this line before...

So that's the new trick? Rehab?
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Old 01-16-2010, 06:18 PM   #16
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Not for me and many others, our mission is to preserve the breed as we've known it. I want my dog to have the look, the heart and the drive of its ancestors, anything less is a diservice to any breed. None of the traditionalist that I know are going to breed more user-friendly dogs to suit the needs of those who have no business owning them in the first place. Not all APBT's are DA either, alot of them tend to be however, that is not going to slow any of us down nor do any of us see the need to cull that desire out of our dogs. If you cannot handle a DA dog then you have no business owning a terrier period. None of us are going to change our breeding practice just so YOU can have a dog, find another breed if these dogs are too much for you and leave them to us, the ones who accpet them as they are and know how to proper care for & handle them.
When did dog aggression become a trait worth preserving?
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Old 01-16-2010, 06:42 PM   #17
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I think it became worth preserving way before any of us were born. The dog needed to be dog aggressive to get the job done. If you don't like it get a different type of dog in which DA is less prevalent.
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Old 01-16-2010, 07:11 PM   #18
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When did dog aggression become a trait worth preserving?
It is a common trait for terriers of all shapes and sizes to display DA/AA tendencies. They are bred to rid the earth of vermin, vermin comes in all shapes and sizes, if my terrier does not display the trait of eagerness to rid the earth of vermin then it is not a true working terrier. And if my terrier does not display terrier traits then that is a terrier I do not wish to own.
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Old 01-16-2010, 07:29 PM   #19
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When did dog aggression become a trait worth preserving?
do you know the history of your dog?
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Old 01-16-2010, 08:27 PM   #20
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I think it became worth preserving way before any of us were born. The dog needed to be dog aggressive to get the job done. If you don't like it get a different type of dog in which DA is less prevalent.
What job does your dog have? And how does dog aggressiveness play a part in it?

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It is a common trait for terriers of all shapes and sizes to display DA/AA tendencies. They are bred to rid the earth of vermin, vermin comes in all shapes and sizes, if my terrier does not display the trait of eagerness to rid the earth of vermin then it is not a true working terrier. And if my terrier does not display terrier traits then that is a terrier I do not wish to own.
I can understand your point if the APBT only went after small dogs and animals. But they also fight their own kind. Jack russels can tell the difference between Jacks and rabbits. Are you saying that the apbt cannot?

Dont get mad just trying to understand your point of view

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do you know the history of your dog?
Yes i do know the history of the breed and it is different depending on who you talk to. The only common trait is the history of dog fighting. But only ignorant people embrace only that trait.
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