[casinobonusnolimit]

So while cur is used in a negative sense it could be used to describe a pitbull who will quit fighting? Is that really a bad thing?

erm well....i guess if you bought a greyhound from a breeder,and it couldnt or wouldnt run you may want your money refunded.....no ?

then again maybe not.....and there lies the problem !

[DoctoBuntonTen]

...but the word cur just sounds plain ole mean.

[Falik]

Ok I think I get it. I wanted to know why that term was being used in another thread. I did try to do a search with the term CUR in the forums and for some reason nothing came up, even this thread. Maybe Im not doing the search feature right.

So basically a cur is a dog that does not do what it was bred to do. So if a golden retriever does not retrieve, it is a cur as well right? So if an apbt does not fight to the death it is a cur? A greyhound that doesnt run is a cur. A hound that doesnt use his nose to track, is a cur.

But then a cur can describe an unruly mongrel of a dog as well. Wikipedia mentioned something about a mixed breed growling dog. To me that sounds like a fear aggressive type of dog.

And then there is dogs whose breed name includes cur, hunting dogs.

The other thread was talking about lunging dog aggressive dogs, and one member was calling dogs that do this curs and nervy. The argument was that in apbt genetics, they are dog aggressive.

[casinobonusnolimit]

do you own an apbt or related breed ?...if so im astonished you have no understanding of such a basic term.....

in my opinion when it comes to animals its always best to learn about them BEFORE you get them instead of after

[spklnraz]

Dog Fighting is illegal in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, and the federal Animal Welfare Act prohibits the interstate transportation of dogs for fighting purposes.

Forty-nine states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands have made dogfighting a felony offense. Forty-five states, the District of Columbia, and the Virgin Islands prohibit the possession of dogs for fighting. And 48 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands prohibit being a spectator at a dogfight.

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[Falik]

mr clueless, thanks for the wonderful advice. You are right, but many people do not know you should do tons of research before adopting an unwanted pet from their neighbor. Honestly I didnt want anything to do with dogs for the longest time. I tried owning 3 other dogs before Cruz. 1 pitbull and 2 labs. My hillbilly husband kept the dogs outside, never trained them and I couldnt stand being around them. Grew up with cats. Ive always been intrigued but cautious around apbt dogs. I love their strength but at the same time had the normal fears a lot of other people had.

My neighbor got a puppy over the summer. While his wife was away on vacation he asked if me and my son could help him out with taking care of Cruz. We kept him overnight a couple times and over at our house during the day a few times as well as my son going over and letting the pup out to pee.

Cruz was an unintentional mating. The owner of the pregnant mother wanted to spay her when she was full term and destroy the pups. The vet techs rather, delivered the pups and took them home to nurse them. Cruz stayed with the vet tech till 6 weeks. Cruz had no socialization with his litter, but other dogs and cats. Then my neighbor adopted him and kept him another 6-8 weeks. After all the research I have done about this, I might not have adopted Cruz if I knew better. I was told there shouldnt be any issues with not being with the mother and litter. We spent the last 5 months battling his mouthing problems and finally seem to have it under control.

My neighbor had been saying that having a pup was too much for him and his older female apbt was starting to mimick some of Cruz bad behavior (digging while being kenneled outside) One day he called me and asked if I wanted Cruz. Because I had already been around him, loved his energy I jumped and said yes. By the time I got home from work, Cruz was already my dog.

I never thought I would get another dog (especially a male), nor ever thought I could get attached. I was wrong. I jumped in, made some mistakes and have been working hard to turn things around for my pup. Ive had him 5 months. Ive been on this site a short while but am very active. Im still learning. I posed this question to get a better understanding of why someone would use that term to describe a dog aggressive dog.

And Mr. clueless, YOU ARE SO RIGHT. But I honestly dont think if I did years of normal research about apbt's the term CUR would have come up. Should I have lurked this forum for years before getting a pitbull?

Cruz was presented to me as a pitbull. The people who gave him to me, think there is a breed called pitbull. They think their other dog is a pitbull and not a terrier type. From my research the best guess I have is that their other dog might be more like american bully. She is a monster of a dog 85 lb female. Cruz more than likely has some other breed in his mix. He is quite big for 8 months at 60 lbs, has fully pricked ears, very blondish type of fawn coloring with a black and white mask. Not very common from what I have seen. I see fawn all the time, but it is more beige looking, not yellowish. my dog regardless definately has bully characteristics, but a little more independance than what I see other people describe with their dogs.

So since I screwed up and didnt research my dog before getting him... I spend a lot of time every day researching behavior, nutrition, health, training, and the breed also working with my dog. While it is fun to tell someone they should have researched a breed before getting one, it doesnt help anyone after the fact.

Basically I rescued my pup from owners who would have never taken him for walks (they dont walk their other dog) never let him meet and greet new people at the house (keep him unsocialized) kennel him in a 6x6 dog run outside in the summer, and punch him and hit him for going to the bathroom in the house and other behavior issues, and alpha roll him and scare the shit out of him.

Cruz also has severe hip dysplasia, which I know they never would have done anything about. I will be providing him surgery. I neutered him right away (which is a good thing, you dont want to breed dysplastic animals) and have provided all the necessary vaccinations. The previous owner has lost dogs to parvo and probably would have lost Cruz too.

[PaulRyansew]

Amy Hatcher, you are doing just fine. This website exists to help educate people, regardless of where they are when they get here. You are not the only one to get a dog w/out researching - I honestly think most people get dogs w/out researching (my bf did). Having a dog seems to be a part of American tradition; most people don't realize that there is so much to learn about dogs.

I think you've probably spent most of your time here so far in the training & health sections (nothing wrong w/ that!). There are also 2 Debate sections - Dog Debates in the General section & Heated & Controversial Debates is another section that you have to purposely opt into. If you want to, you can go into these sections & read the countless debates about the APBT breed. While this board does not condone dog fighting, individual members are allowed to post their opinions on it. We can go round & round about if it's good or bad, right or wrong, but the fact is that dog fighting is a part of the APBT breed's history.

[casinobonusnolimit]

And Mr. clueless, YOU ARE SO RIGHT. But I honestly dont think if I did years of normal research about apbt's the term CUR would have come up.

i disagree.....where can you read about the history of the breed without at least some kind of reference to dog matching !...and with dog matching comes the words game/cur.... dont you know what the word " game " means either.

[nAKMzyBN]

LOL... amyhatcher that was the longest burn i have ever seen! Well played!

[scewDeasp]

I thought this site does not condone the use of apbt in fighting (game dog) If that is so, why are there people on this site using that language for a apbt.

Why do you care?But for a little history lesson for you,a curr is simply a dog that isn't game,a quitter whatever you'd like to call it.Also there are breeds called cur,mountain cur,blackmouth cur etc. I don't consider hounds that don't hunt,greyhounds that don't run or any of the other examples a curr.Just dogs that need shot.But in the bulldog world the word curr is bad,accept it and go on.Why do you even care?Do you want the word banned?What I find offensive is people who choose to own these dogs and can't get over the past,it is what it is.Anybody who don't like the way these dogs are bred or the language used to describe them has the right to not own one.

[Gaxiciverfere]

lol at this thread. a cur is what 90% of the pits are today. unless you got a dog from a well known APBT breeder that breeds from gamelines, or does testing, you probably got a cur. dont think too much of it though. you dont need to know what a cur is to get an APBT though, i actually think stuff like that comes after you own a pit TBH

[GEAntonio]

You hit the nail on the head

lol at this thread. a cur is what 90% of the pits are today. unless you got a dog from a well known APBT breeder that breeds from gamelines, or does testing, you probably got a cur. dont think too much of it though. you dont need to know what a cur is to get an APBT though, i actually think stuff like that comes after you own a pit TBH

[Falik]

I just wanted to know what people were referring to when using that language. I honestly dont care to know the details of what the apbt history is, I mean so much that I need to know the thug sounding language. So anyways, i love my cur and he makes a great pet. Dogs are pets these days, or at least should be. So here is this lovely term coming up after I decided to own a pitbull. I think my life will be so different now! ha ha

[moohassinny]

amyhatcher, I commend you for what you are doing with Cruz. Thanks for being part of the PBC community. Thanks for educating yourself! Pay no mind to those who rather jump your case for your acknowledged mistakes and for asking a question. This Forum is here to educate not ridicule others. There's no such thing as a stupid question and shame on the ones who'd rather ridicule others instead of respectfully helping educate others. You're doing so much now by being here and looking for education than so many "Pit Bull" owners.

There are no perfect humans walking this world, not even the ones who claim to have never made a mistake with the APBT. Lord knows, I've made my share of mistakes. I learn from my mistakes and move on and apparently you do too. Cruz is lucky to have an owner such as yourself.

and just so you know... All 5 of my dogs are curs

[Gaxiciverfere]

thats why i said to not think too much about it. 90% of people with pits have curs and they are wonderful dogs anyways. mine is also a cur. the only ones who should care about that are people who TRULY want game dogs for w/e reasons. i personal would like 1, i like their will to succeed..not that curs dont have the will, they just dont have as much as the game bred obviously.

[nAKMzyBN]

i like their will to succeed..not that curs dont have the will, they just dont have as much as the game bred obviously. Here's a rattlesnake. The only time a game dog is going to be any different to another dog is going to be if its getting wailed upon by another dog. Who needs that in a dog unless thats why they have it? People want some gamebred thing thinking its going to be the holy grail but unless you are throwing them in the situation to prove their gameness, which can only be truely proven in combat, you will never have anything better than the next guy down the road.

[Falik]

Thanks Debo and pitbullhappenings! From all this I am doing more research on GAME DOGS just so I can be fully informed. I guess now that my pup is much better behaved I have more time to dabble in more things besides training and behavior. I am here to learn whether I dont agree or do with others opinions. And to share what Ive learned. My dog is now my hobby, at least the training part of it. For years people have been telling me I need a hobby (while I dabble in learning about different things) this is the least extreme of them and will also allow me to meet new people and dog owners.

[GEAntonio]

I disagree. Sure if you take a dog whose parents are both fighting champions and he curs out and you end up with him as a pet. He would be the best pet in the world even though he is a cur. Say you decide to breed him to your female cur. Now you just took a step backwards. You didn't improve the line. Now those pups turn out to be curs and you breed them to another cur. Now you get even more curs. Fast forward this 15 or 20 years from now. What you will have is a more human aggressive, mean, and dangerous dog that can really hurt someone. The reason the APBT is such a great dog is because of all the years of breeding great fighters to other great fighters. They bred human aggression out of the dog and they are more dog aggressive. Their temperment is second to none because of their great fighting ability. This is why you need to really research who your buying a dog from. If you buy pups from people who breed curs then you could be buying a time bomb. If you buy a pup from game bred dogs, you will get a dog that has a more stable temperment and will be a much more loyal friend

Here's a rattlesnake. The only time a game dog is going to be any different to another dog is going to be if its getting wailed upon by another dog. Who needs that in a dog unless thats why they have it? People want some gamebred thing thinking its going to be the holy grail but unless you are throwing them in the situation to prove their gameness, which can only be truely proven in combat, you will never have anything better than the next guy down the road.

[huylibizonoff]

Ok I think I get it. I wanted to know why that term was being used in another thread. I did try to do a search with the term CUR in the forums and for some reason nothing came up, even this thread. Maybe Im not doing the search feature right.

So basically a cur is a dog that does not do what it was bred to do. So if a golden retriever does not retrieve, it is a cur as well right? So if an apbt does not fight to the death it is a cur? A greyhound that doesnt run is a cur. A hound that doesnt use his nose to track, is a cur.

But then a cur can describe an unruly mongrel of a dog as well. Wikipedia mentioned something about a mixed breed growling dog. To me that sounds like a fear aggressive type of dog.

And then there is dogs whose breed name includes cur, hunting dogs.

The other thread was talking about lunging dog aggressive dogs, and one member was calling dogs that do this curs and nervy. The argument was that in apbt genetics, they are dog aggressive.

Who said it was to the death? And I the only one that caught that? LMAO Please stick around. Lots to learn. And that is the purpose of this site.

Around here it is either a Black Mouth Cur, or a mixed bulldog breed, or as in a APBT will not do what it is bred to do.

[Falik]

Yep Cynthia it was a test to see if I would get corrected... and I didnt!

Who said it was to the death? And I the only one that caught that? LMAO Please stick around. Lots to learn. And that is the purpose of this site.

Around here it is either a Black Mouth Cur, or a mixed bulldog breed, or as in a APBT will not do what it is bred to do.