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**Avoireeideree** · 11-12-2009, 05:58 PM

I would like to have this pic of J I edited made into a warning sign for our yard:

But I wouldn't for a 'pit bull'.

I used a "Dog on Premises" at the old place simply for the reason that many people consider a "Beware of Dog" sign to be an admission that your dog is dangerous. Someone would have to be really screwed up for Sasha to have attacked them for coming in the yard. She used to greet the mailman at the front gate with a toy in her mouth. Definitely NOT a guardian breed.

**delnisfernan** · 11-12-2009, 06:24 PM

I know, that is such BS... Damned if you do, damned if you don't (have a sign that says beware).

Come to think of it we have small "Beware of Dog" signs on our fence... maybe I'll pretend I used my cash for Xmas gifts and just buy some new, less warning, signs...

**Anaedilla** · 11-12-2009, 06:56 PM

i hate them damn dogs!, lol i know its outta pocket but thats still my opinion lol

**h0ldem** · 11-12-2009, 07:27 PM

I think people are gonna believe in whatever stereo type they want too, you're not gonna change some of their minds. Others you might if they meet a well bred, good representation of the breed.

German Shepherd Dogs have been bred to the point it's sad. There are distinct differences between the Am. line, German Show line and the Working line. Personally I think the working line dogs are more stable in their tempermants, I have met a few Am. lines and Germans show lines and some are pretty fearful. I've met one good german Show line(what you see in the movies mainly), I'd take home and that's it.

These dogs were bred to guard things and their people, they are a territorial guardian as well as a handler guardian just depends on the training of what they become in the end. There is a difference between out and out aggression and being a Guardian. Judge is a good example of it, I encourage his guarding behaviors to the fullest as we train in different sports including bitework. If someone were to go in his kennel or our house uninvited, he'd stop them at the door as I expect him too, if they moved after he stopped them, he would bite them, no issues. This is appropiate behavior for a GSD. NOW, If I'm home and invite people in, he knows that they are friends and greets them as such. Give him a good reason(attacking his owner, entering his home maliciously etc.) to nail you and he will as a good GSD should.

That said, my one grandma is in a nursing home and Judge goes to visit her there all the time. He loves the residents and the people. He helps her with her wheelchair, pulling it and stuff. He enjoys people. He is a very friendly, social dog as any PP dog should be. What use is a vicious PP dog that can't go in public?? He goes into numerous stores and places and loves kids, loves people petting him etc. He does his job and does it well.

I have many people tell me he is intimidating, if you met him, he is such a goof ball, I mean GOOFY if you really know him. A ton of people ask me if he is a K9 and tell me "His eyes creep me out.".

Honestly, I'd rather that people be intimated or scared of him etc. rather than Red. Makes my life easier if they move to the other side of the street or avoid the aisle we're on. They also, if they met TRUE PROPER representations of the breed, probably wouldn't be scared of them.

Great post Courtney!
I have to say I love the intense eyes, its one of my favorite things about them.

That sign of J cracks me up!!

Also, the breed was originally bred for herding. Same as the Rottie. Now I personally think herding breeds make amazing protective companions while still being gregarious because well its what they had to be to work successfully. It may be a little OT, but it kind of annoys me that people either ignore completely or gloss over the original function of GSD's as being irrelevant.

If a car my dog knows pulls up to the house she is at the door tail wagging, but if its a stranger she barks to be like, um this is not normal and I am concerned. Its kinda handy.

**Ankeseiband** · 11-12-2009, 09:18 PM

In Toronto, if you own a pit bull you have to have a beware of dog sign. I have 3. My dog isn't dangerous, but all it takes is for him to jump up at the gate to say hello to someone standing there, and they claim hes dangerous and there was no sign. I'm not willing to take that chance.

**qikolax** · 11-12-2009, 09:30 PM

every time I think of a GSD in any type of movie even as a "visious" guard dog I cant help but also think of RinTinTin...I grew up on it...even though I am not that old...I think that it is not good for movies to have a the same dog repeated as a guard dog...throw another guardian breed less seen in there like an komondor dog or something...or a strait up mutt...I just think that the image of all breeds would be better served if they would rotate out the dogs used in movies for a "visious" dog sign with something less known, and keep changing it

**Nosmas** · 11-12-2009, 09:56 PM

The dangerous god seems to rotate from breed to breed. German Shepherds have been there, Dobermans have been there, St Bernards have had their moment in the spotlight. Everyone seems to jump up and down about pitbulls being victimised but so many have come and gone before us.

**CowextetleSix** · 11-13-2009, 02:26 AM

i hate them damn dogs!, lol i know its outta pocket but thats still my opinion lol

Your entitled to that opinion!!! lol I know a ton of people that don't like GSDs.

I personally have shirts that say.....

"German Shepherd Run Fast, Bite Hard!!"

And I have a few of these....

I love these shirts. They are awesome and great conversation starters.

Courtney

**qikolax** · 11-13-2009, 02:41 AM

wow Courtney I love those shirts lol if I ever get a GSD I would want them (I plan on one day being a K9 officer so it would be a even more appropriate lol)

**Anfester** · 11-13-2009, 03:08 AM

I'd much rather see them using a GSD than a pit bull. I'm always relieved when it's another breed. lol

Agree.....in most war games ie:Call Of Duty Modern Warfare 2
There are GSD in the game that are on patrol.....

I've owned and now have a GSD (mix).........I don't have problem

---------- Post added at 09:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:05 PM ----------

Next to my "Beware Of Dog" sign..I have a "Attack Cat On Premises"

**CibQueersejer** · 11-13-2009, 03:10 AM

I've never looked upon a GSD as intimidating, a doberman or a rottweiler, but for some reason I don't think a GSD is scary looking.

I have had a few friends who have owned them. Most were well trained. Has there recently been a surge in their population because I've seen a fair amount in the shelters? I felt sorry for them because they seemed so afraid. Like any breed some are well bred and others not so much I suppose. One did bite my dog on the neck in her obedience class, luckily Ellie was not DA at the time. The same dog also tried to bite the instructor of the class which really worried him because the owner also had a little girl, and he told the owner she needed to be concerned for the safety of the little girl.

I do have an observation on the GSD. I think it has a very strange "gait", if that is the correct term, or movement. That is the only thing I don't like about the breed, for me, their movement is very strange on the back end. Sorry if this does not make sense as I am not at all knowledgeable about the correct terminology.

**gSjQEEmq** · 11-13-2009, 03:19 AM

I will go up to a strange Pit Bull before I will a German Shepherd. Our Shepherd won't let anybody in the house unless they are invited.

It doesn't bother me seeing them in movies because they ARE awesome guard dogs with a big bark.

**Fouttysotlalf** · 11-13-2009, 05:27 AM

i believe they are portrayed like that because that is the main dog that the cops have that attack the bad guys lol

**CowextetleSix** · 11-13-2009, 06:01 AM

I do have an observation on the GSD. I think it has a very strange "gait", if that is the correct term, or movement. That is the only thing I don't like about the breed, for me, their movement is very strange on the back end. Sorry if this does not make sense as I am not at all knowledgeable about the correct terminology. A well bred GSD should not have a "funny" or "strange" gait at all. They should move without effort and seem to kind of flost across the ground when running. They have a gait that is called a "trot". I like the gait as long as it is not overdone like an Am. Line's gait usaully is. BUT I'm biast!

Courtney

**h0ldem** · 12-12-2009, 06:48 PM

I feel so bad for the overdone Am. Line dogs... they look retarded when they try to trot. No way they could actually work with that severe angulation.

Love those shirts!!

**delnisfernan** · 12-12-2009, 07:16 PM

The overdone showlines has a ridiculous hind end a lot of times... And their whole body is overdone... But any well bred dog, or most working line, do not have those problems. I wouldn't say J is well bred or of working lines, but when he gaits he looks like he's gliding over the ground, effortless.

A lot of these show dogs look roached... These type make me ill, but to each their own:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6JL16Exjzw"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6JL16Exjzw[/ame]

And working GSDs..
To show the different gait.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VyoBTCOkAU&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VyoBTCOkAU&feature=related[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu7bFODW7Nk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu7bFODW7Nk[/ame]

**illignocearia** · 12-12-2009, 07:59 PM

I like the gait as long as it is not overdone like an Am. Line's gait usaully is. BUT I'm biast!

Courtney

Same here.

**diemeareendup** · 12-12-2009, 08:59 PM

I do not like the angulation american show lines has put them at, some are so extreme, due to bad breeding
I agree the first vid there are quite few that looked like roached real bad, but I really looked and it seemed to be because the dogs were pulling on lead way ahead of the handler, which is bad, they were digging in and pulling making their backs roach, when they finally got a bit tired running around, they slowed a bit and stopped pulling so hard, but, the last dog looked a bit long haired and he was really roached almost looked bent in the middle before the legs started to angle down, I do hope that dog did not place...?
I enjoyed the second vid, good dog, but I think he did not climb the A frame returning to the guy? unless they said straight return since it's in russian or chek? I am not sure, but it was a really good sable
I could not see the third one
this can , I hope it shows up here, show you what it's suppose to look like, this is one of the better looks at the gait
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIFpKL0qRQ0"]YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]
one other note GSD's were targeted for BSL way back many many moons ago, it was due to bad breeding and the popularity of the breed, thanks in part to Rin Tin Tin and other movie dogs. Since europe and germany had restrictions on breeding, amercians did not, they pumped them out and the GSD's pretty much got changed (angle of rear, the floating gate etc) and it held by the GSD club of america, but bites and attacks unstable temperment got the radar on them for BSL, so I am hoping the APBT and other bully breeds can survive the craziness.

**CibQueersejer** · 12-12-2009, 09:14 PM

Thanks for posting the videos. Yes, that's exactly what I am talking about. I see the difference, the working type are beautiful, and a very sound looking animal. Big difference.

11-12-2009, 05:58 PM	#1
Avoireeideree Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	I would like to have this pic of J I edited made into a warning sign for our yard: But I wouldn't for a 'pit bull'. I used a "Dog on Premises" at the old place simply for the reason that many people consider a "Beware of Dog" sign to be an admission that your dog is dangerous. Someone would have to be really screwed up for Sasha to have attacked them for coming in the yard. She used to greet the mailman at the front gate with a toy in her mouth. Definitely NOT a guardian breed. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2009, 06:24 PM	#2
delnisfernan Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 544 Senior Member	I know, that is such BS... Damned if you do, damned if you don't (have a sign that says beware). Come to think of it we have small "Beware of Dog" signs on our fence... maybe I'll pretend I used my cash for Xmas gifts and just buy some new, less warning, signs... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2009, 06:56 PM	#3
Anaedilla Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 735 Senior Member	i hate them damn dogs!, lol i know its outta pocket but thats still my opinion lol Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2009, 07:27 PM	#4
h0ldem Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 645 Senior Member	I think people are gonna believe in whatever stereo type they want too, you're not gonna change some of their minds. Others you might if they meet a well bred, good representation of the breed. German Shepherd Dogs have been bred to the point it's sad. There are distinct differences between the Am. line, German Show line and the Working line. Personally I think the working line dogs are more stable in their tempermants, I have met a few Am. lines and Germans show lines and some are pretty fearful. I've met one good german Show line(what you see in the movies mainly), I'd take home and that's it. These dogs were bred to guard things and their people, they are a territorial guardian as well as a handler guardian just depends on the training of what they become in the end. There is a difference between out and out aggression and being a Guardian. Judge is a good example of it, I encourage his guarding behaviors to the fullest as we train in different sports including bitework. If someone were to go in his kennel or our house uninvited, he'd stop them at the door as I expect him too, if they moved after he stopped them, he would bite them, no issues. This is appropiate behavior for a GSD. NOW, If I'm home and invite people in, he knows that they are friends and greets them as such. Give him a good reason(attacking his owner, entering his home maliciously etc.) to nail you and he will as a good GSD should. That said, my one grandma is in a nursing home and Judge goes to visit her there all the time. He loves the residents and the people. He helps her with her wheelchair, pulling it and stuff. He enjoys people. He is a very friendly, social dog as any PP dog should be. What use is a vicious PP dog that can't go in public?? He goes into numerous stores and places and loves kids, loves people petting him etc. He does his job and does it well. I have many people tell me he is intimidating, if you met him, he is such a goof ball, I mean GOOFY if you really know him. A ton of people ask me if he is a K9 and tell me "His eyes creep me out.". Honestly, I'd rather that people be intimated or scared of him etc. rather than Red. Makes my life easier if they move to the other side of the street or avoid the aisle we're on. They also, if they met TRUE PROPER representations of the breed, probably wouldn't be scared of them. Great post Courtney! I have to say I love the intense eyes, its one of my favorite things about them. That sign of J cracks me up!! Also, the breed was originally bred for herding. Same as the Rottie. Now I personally think herding breeds make amazing protective companions while still being gregarious because well its what they had to be to work successfully. It may be a little OT, but it kind of annoys me that people either ignore completely or gloss over the original function of GSD's as being irrelevant. If a car my dog knows pulls up to the house she is at the door tail wagging, but if its a stranger she barks to be like, um this is not normal and I am concerned. Its kinda handy. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2009, 09:18 PM	#5
Ankeseiband Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 389 Senior Member	In Toronto, if you own a pit bull you have to have a beware of dog sign. I have 3. My dog isn't dangerous, but all it takes is for him to jump up at the gate to say hello to someone standing there, and they claim hes dangerous and there was no sign. I'm not willing to take that chance. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2009, 09:30 PM	#6
qikolax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 357 Senior Member	every time I think of a GSD in any type of movie even as a "visious" guard dog I cant help but also think of RinTinTin...I grew up on it...even though I am not that old...I think that it is not good for movies to have a the same dog repeated as a guard dog...throw another guardian breed less seen in there like an komondor dog or something...or a strait up mutt...I just think that the image of all breeds would be better served if they would rotate out the dogs used in movies for a "visious" dog sign with something less known, and keep changing it Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2009, 09:56 PM	#7
Nosmas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 544 Senior Member	The dangerous god seems to rotate from breed to breed. German Shepherds have been there, Dobermans have been there, St Bernards have had their moment in the spotlight. Everyone seems to jump up and down about pitbulls being victimised but so many have come and gone before us. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-13-2009, 02:26 AM	#8
CowextetleSix Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 473 Senior Member	i hate them damn dogs!, lol i know its outta pocket but thats still my opinion lol Your entitled to that opinion!!! lol I know a ton of people that don't like GSDs. I personally have shirts that say..... "German Shepherd Run Fast, Bite Hard!!" And I have a few of these.... I love these shirts. They are awesome and great conversation starters. Courtney Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-13-2009, 02:41 AM	#9
qikolax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 357 Senior Member	wow Courtney I love those shirts lol if I ever get a GSD I would want them (I plan on one day being a K9 officer so it would be a even more appropriate lol) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-13-2009, 03:08 AM	#10
Anfester Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 532 Senior Member	I'd much rather see them using a GSD than a pit bull. I'm always relieved when it's another breed. lol Agree.....in most war games ie:Call Of Duty Modern Warfare 2 There are GSD in the game that are on patrol..... I've owned and now have a GSD (mix).........I don't have problem ---------- Post added at 09:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:05 PM ---------- Next to my "Beware Of Dog" sign..I have a "Attack Cat On Premises" Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-13-2009, 03:10 AM	#11
CibQueersejer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	I've never looked upon a GSD as intimidating, a doberman or a rottweiler, but for some reason I don't think a GSD is scary looking. I have had a few friends who have owned them. Most were well trained. Has there recently been a surge in their population because I've seen a fair amount in the shelters? I felt sorry for them because they seemed so afraid. Like any breed some are well bred and others not so much I suppose. One did bite my dog on the neck in her obedience class, luckily Ellie was not DA at the time. The same dog also tried to bite the instructor of the class which really worried him because the owner also had a little girl, and he told the owner she needed to be concerned for the safety of the little girl. I do have an observation on the GSD. I think it has a very strange "gait", if that is the correct term, or movement. That is the only thing I don't like about the breed, for me, their movement is very strange on the back end. Sorry if this does not make sense as I am not at all knowledgeable about the correct terminology. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-13-2009, 03:19 AM	#12
gSjQEEmq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 451 Senior Member	I will go up to a strange Pit Bull before I will a German Shepherd. Our Shepherd won't let anybody in the house unless they are invited. It doesn't bother me seeing them in movies because they ARE awesome guard dogs with a big bark. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-13-2009, 05:27 AM	#13
Fouttysotlalf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 549 Senior Member	i believe they are portrayed like that because that is the main dog that the cops have that attack the bad guys lol Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-13-2009, 06:01 AM	#14
CowextetleSix Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 473 Senior Member	I do have an observation on the GSD. I think it has a very strange "gait", if that is the correct term, or movement. That is the only thing I don't like about the breed, for me, their movement is very strange on the back end. Sorry if this does not make sense as I am not at all knowledgeable about the correct terminology. A well bred GSD should not have a "funny" or "strange" gait at all. They should move without effort and seem to kind of flost across the ground when running. They have a gait that is called a "trot". I like the gait as long as it is not overdone like an Am. Line's gait usaully is. BUT I'm biast! Courtney Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-12-2009, 06:48 PM	#15
h0ldem Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 645 Senior Member	I feel so bad for the overdone Am. Line dogs... they look retarded when they try to trot. No way they could actually work with that severe angulation. Love those shirts!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-12-2009, 07:16 PM	#16
delnisfernan Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 544 Senior Member	The overdone showlines has a ridiculous hind end a lot of times... And their whole body is overdone... But any well bred dog, or most working line, do not have those problems. I wouldn't say J is well bred or of working lines, but when he gaits he looks like he's gliding over the ground, effortless. A lot of these show dogs look roached... These type make me ill, but to each their own: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6JL16Exjzw"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6JL16Exjzw[/ame] And working GSDs.. To show the different gait. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VyoBTCOkAU&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VyoBTCOkAU&feature=related[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu7bFODW7Nk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu7bFODW7Nk[/ame] Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-12-2009, 07:59 PM	#17
illignocearia Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 554 Senior Member	I like the gait as long as it is not overdone like an Am. Line's gait usaully is. BUT I'm biast! Courtney Same here. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-12-2009, 08:59 PM	#18
diemeareendup Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 410 Senior Member	I do not like the angulation american show lines has put them at, some are so extreme, due to bad breeding I agree the first vid there are quite few that looked like roached real bad, but I really looked and it seemed to be because the dogs were pulling on lead way ahead of the handler, which is bad, they were digging in and pulling making their backs roach, when they finally got a bit tired running around, they slowed a bit and stopped pulling so hard, but, the last dog looked a bit long haired and he was really roached almost looked bent in the middle before the legs started to angle down, I do hope that dog did not place...? I enjoyed the second vid, good dog, but I think he did not climb the A frame returning to the guy? unless they said straight return since it's in russian or chek? I am not sure, but it was a really good sable I could not see the third one this can , I hope it shows up here, show you what it's suppose to look like, this is one of the better looks at the gait [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIFpKL0qRQ0"]YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.[/ame] one other note GSD's were targeted for BSL way back many many moons ago, it was due to bad breeding and the popularity of the breed, thanks in part to Rin Tin Tin and other movie dogs. Since europe and germany had restrictions on breeding, amercians did not, they pumped them out and the GSD's pretty much got changed (angle of rear, the floating gate etc) and it held by the GSD club of america, but bites and attacks unstable temperment got the radar on them for BSL, so I am hoping the APBT and other bully breeds can survive the craziness. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-12-2009, 09:14 PM	#19
CibQueersejer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	Thanks for posting the videos. Yes, that's exactly what I am talking about. I see the difference, the working type are beautiful, and a very sound looking animal. Big difference. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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